Want To Buy Swift A-Frames

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 2:49 PM

And yes before everyone comments “you and everyone else” I know they are hard to come by and most people are looking to sell their stockpiles. Just figured I’d throw out the WTB ad anyways in case I get lucky.

I’m looking for 300 grn 375 cal, 400 grn 416 cal, 400 grn .400 cal, 570 grn 500 cal. Please PM me if you have any for sale at a reasonable price. Thanks!

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Sunday at 4:07 PM

Whose definition of "reasonable price" do you mean, the market's or yours?

For example, I see 400gr/.400 caliber A-Frames for $153.76 per lb, about $9 per bullet.
How much DG must one hunt before $9 bullets become an issue? (A trick question, if you ponder it.)

Things cost what they cost. Your notion of "reasonable price" is irrelevant to the market.
If you want a lower unit cost, then buy up somebody's stockpile.

"Expensive is when the product is not worth the money."
— Karl Welcher of Leica

migrabill · Sunday at 4:29 PM

I think the price that I have to pay now for Swift A Frames is not reasonable. Because I would not want to sell it for less than I paid for it, it would be impossible for me to sell them at a reasonable price.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 5:29 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Whose definition of "reasonable price" do you mean, the market's or yours?

For example, I see 400gr/.400 caliber A-Frames for $153.76 per lb, about $9 per bullet.
How much DG must one hunt before $9 bullets become an issue? (A trick question, if you ponder it.)

Things cost what they cost. Your notion of "reasonable price" is irrelevant to the market.
If you want a lower unit cost, then buy up somebody's stockpile.

"Expensive is when the product is not worth the money."
— Karl Welcher of Leica

Less than double retail price is reasonable to me lol.

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Sunday at 6:18 PM

Noah Hutchens said:
Less than double retail price is reasonable to me lol.

Hmmm, you're still stuck, conceptually.
"Less than double retail price" implies that you, as a potential buyer, set the sales price?
Uh, no. The retail price is the seller's price, not yours.

Hey, instead of $9, how about $2? That's within your budget, right?

A-Frame Heavy Rifle Bullets Cal. 400 | 400 gr

Swift Bullet Company offers tough, high-performance hunting bullets with excellent accuracy & terminal performance. Don't settle for less, trust in the best.

www.swiftbullets.com

The snag: they're out of stock. (As well they should be, as I believe $2 is too low. They were $1 some 20 years ago, and we've had more than 100% general price inflation since then. I'd wager that Swift is underwater at $2 for heavy large caliber bullets.)

As economists correctly explain, there is no such thing as "scarcity" alone...only scarcity at a certain price. The fact you will pay only <$4 is immaterial, as they apparently don't exist for that.

Swift A-Frames are not available today at the listed $2/bullet, but are available elsewhere at $9/bullet. Forget about the former $2 factory retail. (Whenever Swift stocks them again, they likely won't be $2 anymore, unless their Accounting Dept. is on crack.)

Whatever is the lowest in-stock price is the current retail price. $9 today. Adjust your mentality to that.

In the early-2000s, when quality NATO-spec 7.62x51 FMJ could be had in 1,000rd cases for 10¢/round, I urged my readers to "back up the truck". It's typically $1/rd today.

At my gun show table some Olde Duffer was looking for a Luger but wouldn't pay the current market price of $1,500+. "In the 1950s, Lugers were only $50! " he lamented. (He hadn't bought one then, either, because during WWII they were only $25, lol.)

There are two ways of getting over price inflation: psychologically (you make the choice that it doesn't matter), or financially (you increase your income so that it really doesn't matter). So, get over it.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 7:33 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Hmmm, you're still stuck, conceptually.
"Less than double retail price" implies that you, as a potential buyer, set the sales price?
Uh, no. The retail price is the seller's price, not yours.

Hey, instead of $9, how about $2? That's within your budget, right?

A-Frame Heavy Rifle Bullets Cal. 400 | 400 gr

Swift Bullet Company offers tough, high-performance hunting bullets with excellent accuracy & terminal performance. Don't settle for less, trust in the best.

www.swiftbullets.com

The snag: they're out of stock. (As well they should be, as I believe $2 is too low. They were $1 some 20 years ago, and we've had more than 100% general price inflation since then. I'd wager that Swift is underwater at $2 for heavy large caliber bullets.)

As economists correctly explain, there is no such thing as "scarcity" alone...only scarcity at a certain price. The fact you will pay only <$4 is immaterial, as they apparently don't exist for that.

Swift A-Frames are not available today at the listed $2/bullet, but are available elsewhere at $9/bullet. Forget about the former $2 factory retail. (Whenever Swift stocks them again, they likely won't be $2 anymore, unless their Accounting Dept. is on crack.)

Whatever is the lowest in-stock price is the current retail price. $9 today. Adjust your mentality to that.

In the early-2000s, when quality NATO-spec 7.62x51 FMJ could be had in 1,000rd cases for 10¢/round, I urged my readers to "back up the truck". It's typically $1/rd today.

At my gun show table some Olde Duffer was looking for a Luger but wouldn't pay the current market price of $1,500+. "In the 1950s, Lugers were only $50! " he lamented. (He hadn't bought one then, either, because during WWII they were only $25, lol.)

There are two ways of getting over price inflation: psychologically (you make the choice that it doesn't matter), or financially (you increase your income so that it really doesn't matter). So, get over it.

I just bought some 300 grn 375 cal bullets for retail price from a member here, plus a box under retail price off of gunbroker as well. so they are available for a reasonable price I would say. I just put out a WTB post in case anyone wanted to sell some, I really don’t care to be lectured on it on the same post. If you have some for sale message me and we can see about a deal if not I don’t want to hear about your opinions honestly, this isn’t a discussion post it’s a WTB post on the classifieds.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 7:41 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Hmmm, you're still stuck, conceptually.
"Less than double retail price" implies that you, as a potential buyer, set the sales price?
Uh, no. The retail price is the seller's price, not yours.

Hey, instead of $9, how about $2? That's within your budget, right?

A-Frame Heavy Rifle Bullets Cal. 400 | 400 gr

Swift Bullet Company offers tough, high-performance hunting bullets with excellent accuracy & terminal performance. Don't settle for less, trust in the best.

www.swiftbullets.com

The snag: they're out of stock. (As well they should be, as I believe $2 is too low. They were $1 some 20 years ago, and we've had more than 100% general price inflation since then. I'd wager that Swift is underwater at $2 for heavy large caliber bullets.)

As economists correctly explain, there is no such thing as "scarcity" alone...only scarcity at a certain price. The fact you will pay only <$4 is immaterial, as they apparently don't exist for that.

Swift A-Frames are not available today at the listed $2/bullet, but are available elsewhere at $9/bullet. Forget about the former $2 factory retail. (Whenever Swift stocks them again, they likely won't be $2 anymore, unless their Accounting Dept. is on crack.)

Whatever is the lowest in-stock price is the current retail price. $9 today. Adjust your mentality to that.

In the early-2000s, when quality NATO-spec 7.62x51 FMJ could be had in 1,000rd cases for 10¢/round, I urged my readers to "back up the truck". It's typically $1/rd today.

At my gun show table some Olde Duffer was looking for a Luger but wouldn't pay the current market price of $1,500+. "In the 1950s, Lugers were only $50! " he lamented. (He hadn't bought one then, either, because during WWII they were only $25, lol.)

There are two ways of getting over price inflation: psychologically (you make the choice that it doesn't matter), or financially (you increase your income so that it really doesn't matter). So, get over it.

For example just earlier this year @Wildwillalaska had plenty of some of the cals I asked for for sale at extremely reasonable prices.

Thread 'Swift A-Frames for 450/400 and 500NE'

Feb 5, 2026

I have a several boxes of new sealed Swift A-Frames in .410 400gr for 450/400 and .509 570gr for 500NE. All boxes of the same caliber are same lots. I also have a partial box of each, 37 of the 400gr .410 and 27 of the .509 500gr.

For new sealed:
5 sealed boxes of 400gr .410 $100 each + shipping. Think I can fit them all in medium flat rate box.

2 sealed boxes of the 570gr .509 $150 each + shipping.

If anyone buying sealed boxes have interest in the partial boxes, we can working something out at discounted price.

Ray B · Sunday at 7:56 PM

The price is "set" by neither the supplier or the consumer. Every consumer has an acceptable maximum price. Every supplier has a minimum acceptable price. If plotted on a graph the lines generated by noting all of the consumers and suppliers would have an intersection. That intersection is the market price. the price will deviate if an individual consumer is willing to pay more or an individual supplier is willing to accept less.

Woodcarver · Sunday at 8:20 PM

Depending on your time frame available, just keep the Swift website open and check daily. I bought some 458 450gr & 500gr, as well as 375 300gr direct from them this year. Took a few months, but they will become available through Swift periodically and may not show in stock at the retailers. Good luck with the search. Hopefully someone will have a spare box or two.

And they still sell at just over $2/bullet....

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 8:27 PM

Thanks I signed up for all their alerts for the different calibers I’m looking for, do you know if the alerts actually get sent out or do I need really need to check the website daily for best chances?

Woodcarver said:
Depending on your time frame available, just keep the Swift website open and check daily. I bought some 458 450gr & 500gr, as well as 375 300gr direct from them this year. Took a few months, but they will become available through Swift periodically and may not show in stock at the retailers. Good luck with the search. Hopefully someone will have a spare box or two.

And they still sell at just over $2/bullet....

Andrew62 · Sunday at 8:35 PM

I have only put my email in for alerts 2 different times, but both times I did receive the alert when the ammo first became available.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 8:55 PM

Andrew62 said:
I have only put my email in for alerts 2 different times, but both times I did receive the alert when the ammo first became available.

Thanks! That makes me feel better lol.

Woodcarver · Sunday at 9:02 PM

Noah Hutchens said:
Thanks I signed up for all their alerts for the different calibers I’m looking for, do you know if the alerts actually get sent out or do I need really need to check the website daily for best chances?

I saw them available on the website first. With the 458s, I never received an email until after they were no longer available (sold out) on the website; order(s) was already placed, shipped & received, both times (1 for 450gr, 2nd for the 500s). The order for the 375s was shipped before I received the email, but they were still available on the website. I would recommend checking daily; buy as soon as they show available. There is a delay in the email notifications.

Scott CWO · Sunday at 9:07 PM

Ray B said:
The price is "set" by neither the supplier or the consumer. Every consumer has an acceptable maximum price. Every supplier has a minimum acceptable price. If plotted on a graph the lines generated by noting all of the consumers and suppliers would have an intersection. That intersection is the market price. the price will deviate if an individual consumer is willing to pay more or an individual supplier is willing to accept less.

Hey Ray do you still have that 470 NE double rifle we both chased several years ago?

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Sunday at 9:11 PM

Noah Hutchens said:
this isn’t a discussion post it’s a WTB post on the classifieds.

Then write "for sale at a price I can afford ".
You introduced a morality of price with "reasonable", hence the economics lesson.

I presumed that you may be off to Africa within weeks, thus I was recommending that you pay full retail price and not wait for Swift's production or a private-sale. Was trying to get you past a mental hurdle.

Noah Hutchens said:
For example just earlier this year @Wildwillalaska had plenty of some of the cals I asked for for sale at extremely reasonable prices.

$2 for .416 and $3 for .500. Uh, that was listed retail price when Swift was out of stock.
So, that's what "reasonable" is to you?
Paying zero premium in a time of retail unavailability? Dayum. Thanks for clearing that up.

Ray B said:
The price is "set" by neither the supplier or the consumer. Every consumer has an acceptable maximum price. Every supplier has a minimum acceptable price. If plotted on a graph the lines generated by noting all of the consumers and suppliers would have an intersection. That intersection is the market price. the price will deviate if an individual consumer is willing to pay more or an individual supplier is willing to accept less.

True, though I wasn't speaking of market price, but of retail price, which indeed the seller sets. The $2 bid:$9 ask spread of $7 is pretty wide.

Woodcarver said:
I bought some 458 450gr & 500gr, as well as 375 300gr direct from them this year. Took a few months, but they will become available through Swift periodically...

Months. How comforting.

Woodcarver said:
And they still sell at just over $2/bullet....

Yes, as you admit, every "few months", and if at $2 they'll sell out at once, requiring another long wait for their next production run.

Swift clearly isn't producing to the level of demand, so their interim solution is to increase price to lower the demand curve to match their production. If it were me, I'd rather pay $4 to fund consistent supply vs. an intermittent $2 which may not be enough to make Swift thrive.

Expecting $2 A-Frames (either from the factory, or from a private-seller) these days, to me, is unreasonable. YMMV. Carry on!

Woodcarver · Sunday at 9:28 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Then write "for sale at a price I can afford ".
You questioned the morality of retail price with "reasonable", hence the economics lesson.

I presumed that you may be off to Africa within weeks, thus I was recommending that you pay full retail price and not wait for Swift's production or a private-sale.

$2 for .416 and $3 for .500. Uh, that was listed retail price when Swift was out of stock.
So, that's what "reasonable" is to you?
Paying zero premium in a time of retail unavailability? Dayum. Thanks for clearing that up.

True, though I wasn't speaking of market price, but of retail price, which indeed the seller sets. The $2 bid:$9 ask spread of $7 is pretty wide.

Months. How comforting.

Yes, as you admit, every "few months", and if at $2 they'll sell out at once, requiring another long wait for their next production run.

Swift clearly isn't producing to the level of demand, so their interim solution is to increase price to lower the demand curve to match their production. If it were me, I'd rather pay $4 to fund consistent supply vs. an intermittent $2 which may not be enough to make Swift thrive.

Expecting $2 A-Frames (either from the factory, or from a private-seller) these days, to me, is unreasonable. YMMV. Carry on!

My mileage does vary. It was comforting to buy what I needed without paying someone on GB an astronomical price for what is already a moderately expensive bullet. If you understood their business, you might have a clue. The bulk of their production goes to commercial ammunition producers, not reloaders; that is actually true of most components. Knowing they have runs of a given caliber, not constant production, planning well in advance of the actual need is just smart shopping. I started watching right after booking the hunt. But you sir, are cluttering up a members classified when he is looking for some assistance, not your opinion of a companies business model. Stick around and pay attention rather than pontificate, and you'll likely see an example of what makes AH a rather unique forum amongst hunting and shooting forums.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 9:29 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Then write "for sale at a price I can afford ".
You introduced a morality of price with "reasonable", hence the economics lesson.

I presumed that you may be off to Africa within weeks, thus I was recommending that you pay full retail price and not wait for Swift's production or a private-sale. Was trying to get you past a mental hurdle.

$2 for .416 and $3 for .500. Uh, that was listed retail price when Swift was out of stock.
So, that's what "reasonable" is to you?
Paying zero premium in a time of retail unavailability? Dayum. Thanks for clearing that up.

True, though I wasn't speaking of market price, but of retail price, which indeed the seller sets. The $2 bid:$9 ask spread of $7 is pretty wide.

Months. How comforting.

Yes, as you admit, every "few months", and if at $2 they'll sell out at once, requiring another long wait for their next production run.

Swift clearly isn't producing to the level of demand, so their interim solution is to increase price to lower the demand curve to match their production. If it were me, I'd rather pay $4 to fund consistent supply vs. an intermittent $2 which may not be enough to make Swift thrive.

Expecting $2 A-Frames (either from the factory, or from a private-seller) these days, to me, is unreasonable. YMMV. Carry on!

Your response is coming off rather dickish in my opinion.

I don’t need your economics lessons lol.

Im not off to Africa anytime soon, never mentioned it, just mentioned looking for A Frames, I’m not going to pay outlandish prices for no reason.

$2 and $3 a bullet is obviously reasonable to me because that’s what the MSRP price is. You just said that it would be $9 a bullet and I showed an example of someone selling here for nowhere near that price. Plus an example of bullets I purchased less than a week ago for MSRP…..

I never said I wouldn’t pay any premium, I have no idea on why you have been saying that, rather disingenuous to me, I literally said anything less than double retail price…. Or should I say MSRP so you don’t twist my words and obvious meaning?

I’m not in a rush to obtain the bullets, again I never said I was, waiting a few months to buy some at actual normal prices is completely acceptable to me and probably everyone else on this website.

But again, I never asked for your lecture, if you have some for sale MESSAGE me if not please stop commenting on the post

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Sunday at 9:42 PM

Woodcarver said:
If you understood their business, you might have a clue. The bulk of their production goes to commercial ammunition producers, not reloaders; that is actually true of most components.

I understand that zero profit is made when out of stock. Swift could sell more than they produce.

Woodcarver said:
But you sir, are cluttering up a members classified when he is looking for some assistance,

At least I wrangled out of him what he was willing to pay.

Noah Hutchens said:
$2 and $3 a bullet is obviously reasonable to me because that’s what the MSRP price is.

Your idea of a "reasonable" price from a private seller while Swift is out of stock is their listed retail price. That comes across to me poorly. I've seen too many private sellers get skinned for ignorantly underpricing their wares.

Noah Hutchens · Sunday at 9:46 PM

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
At least I wrangled out of him what he was willing to pay.

Your idea of a "reasonable" price from a private seller while Swift is out of stock is their listed retail price. Got it, good luck.

Man you must really not read what I posted very well! You sir are now blocked!

Trogon · Sunday at 9:52 PM

I have had the pleasure of a number of trades/sales on this forum over the course of my time on this forum. Lately it seems that there is much more vitriol between AH members, which is really disappointing. I would like to see this end. Found this site looking for info on 6.5x55 after I bought a Ruger No. 1, really enjoyed the info and experience presented in this forum.
@Noah Hutchens , sending you a PM.

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