This is a rifle that my 90 year old friend has asked me to get a value on, it is not for sale here, just trying to get an idea of a value. I do not know when it was made, maybe 1970's or 80's, his brother bought it and passed away about 15 years ago, so it has sat and now he is asking me to research it for him. It is a double barrel side by side in .458 win mag on both barrels. I am not sure what his brother paid for it , my friend told me he thought in the 13-15k range. It is in nice shape but I know nothing about African Game rifles. Here is a photo of it or 2. Thank you in advance.
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Looking for a value on a Ferlach Double rifle
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Tiger2001
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It looks very much like a Merkel! Do you have photos of the name/proof marks? Any identification would help.
Tiger2001
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Usually on the barrel. Will have the caliber, name of the manufacturer, proof marks. Some identifiers will have to be there.
Moosemind
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This one is identical. No markings. It's strange because all Ferlach Makers have their own number and its marked on the action and barrels. This is the only one that doesnt that I've seen. This was a 458 made in 1968 and later converted to 450 Nitro 3 1/4", and sold a few years back for $9500.
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Based on the photos, it could be a lot of things. A rifle from Ferlach does not leave the country without the proof marks of Ferlach. These must be stamped on the barrels if the rifle is truly originated in Ferlach. Otherwise, if it is of European manufacture, it will have the proof marks of the respective countries. Anyone familiar with hunting rifles, knows where to look on it.
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The forend looks to be a replacement and badly matched, is that a crack in the forend?
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The proof mark in the background might be from the proof house of Ferlach. I cannot identify the rest; it was likely stamped on somewhat later. It is not impossible that a number of changes were made to a rifle originally from Ferlach.
Moosemind
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It was made by Outschar with number 35.
Moosemind
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It also has a JO in a circle. Johann Outschar.
Unfortunately Ferlach guns don’t sell for 1/10th of what they cost to have made. They are a bargain to buy. But don’t appreciate in value.
I bought a Fanzoj to enjoy. But it’s a buyers market. Not a sellers
I bought a Fanzoj to enjoy. But it’s a buyers market. Not a sellers
which is crazy as they are vary high quality
Yes they can be. I bought this Fanzoj DR in 9.3 x 74R four years ago. This letter from Fanzoj is perhaps 5-6 yrs old. Probably even before Covid so prices have gone up substantially after this quote.
Even if we go with the quote before Covid, it was $75,000 to make that equivalent rifle.
It might bring $8000 today.
Without getting into the merits or detractors of each individual gun. They overall don’t hold their value.
But they are a great buy if you’re a user not a collector or a seller.
Even if we go with the quote before Covid, it was $75,000 to make that equivalent rifle.
It might bring $8000 today.
Without getting into the merits or detractors of each individual gun. They overall don’t hold their value.
But they are a great buy if you’re a user not a collector or a seller.
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So I am not sure pointing out whether there is a crack in a handguard or not helps to identify the maker of the rifle or overall value. I have no dog in the fight as to what the value is, only trying to ID it and possibly set some value to the rifle. But, if it makes you feel better to kick it around the curb for a crack or not a crack, go for it. AS I stated before, it is not mine, not trying to buy it etc. Just trying to ID the rifle as set somewhat of a value. The thought that it may be a ferlach is only something his brother mentioned and it was sold to his dead brother as such.Maybe he got taken? Who knows, not my problem, just trying to help out a GOOD friend by trying to ID and value it so he can sell it. At 90 yrs old, its doubtful he will shoot it seeing as how he walks with a walker. For everyone trying to ID it, I appreciate your help.
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Nitro Proof will be NP/F for Felrlach proof house. (little F, no slash)
It will probably be VERY well regulated.
Am watching projected valuation with interest.
It will probably be VERY well regulated.
Am watching projected valuation with interest.
Moosemind
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Any flaw in the rifle will certainly affect the overall value. In a rifle like this, a small crack in the fore end is likely a $500 flaw.
Next is the chambering. Any double rifle chambered in a high pressure cartridge like the .458 Win will be of less value than a similar low pressure round like the .450 Nitro Express. The reason is the higher pressure will loosen any break action rifle much quicker than a lower pressure cartridge.
It appears to be an ejector rifle. Is that true? If so, that raises the value.
Overall there are not enough detailed photos to access the value. But to guess, perhaps $10,000. You could list it at $15,000 but I think you will wait long for a buyer. If it were converted to .450 NE, and in very good condition, it might fetch $15,000.
Good luck!
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