John Rigby 450 NE Double Rifle for sale with lifetime ammunition & reloading supplies

Well congratulation to both buyer ad seller. I looked at it earlier and thought i would come back this evening and if still for sale buy it. Working on getting my new Heym 450 # 1/4" ready for Tanzania in
5 weeks. I have come to really like the 450, much more thean the 470!
I messaged on it as well because of loving the caliber.
Personally, I wanted the reloading components more so than the rifle. I love my Westley Richards Drop Lock in 450 3-1/4". The gun had very little value or use to me with replacement barrels, especially ones that had been milled for an optic. I'd looked at this gun prior to the OP buying it as a potential beater double to use and abuse without feeling bad.
 
With all due respect, I trust there are only what I consider to be two DR experts on AH. Over more than a decade I have developed a strong relationship with JJ Perodeau given he has inspected 8 of my doubles. “beater rifle, LMAO”. I priced my “beater rifle” at what JJ thought it was worth. Must be nice to be you being able to afford five figure DRs to beat up lol! All good I just could not resist after reading this post thinking of JJ smiling
 
With all due respect, I trust there are only what I consider to be two DR experts on AH. Over more than a decade I have developed a strong relationship with JJ Perodeau given he has inspected 8 of my doubles. “beater rifle, LMAO”. I priced my “beater rifle” at what JJ thought it was worth. Must be nice to be you being able to afford five figure DRs to beat up lol! All good I just could not resist after reading this post thinking of JJ smiling
I currently own 3 vintage double rifles, all of which are original (one’s never been refinished in any way) and I’ve never once paid 6 figures.

You’re welcome to take offense to me calling it a “beater” and saying it had no value to me with replacement barrels, that you chose to have milled for an optic. To me it was a working rifle that I wouldn’t be concerned with bumping, scratching, or otherwise continuing to damage wood/bluing on. The replacement barrels did raise a couple questions, that even JJ might struggle to answer without more info.

As you know, I along with @rookhawk both saw and handled the rifle you just sold in person prior to your original purchase, which if I recall you purchased sight unseen. Neither of us knew the other had looked at it while for sale at Orvis because it’d been there for multiple years. I’m glad you sold it and were able to recoup your initial purchase + cost getting it useable + reloading components. I know why you sold the rifle and I hope you’re able to truly experience an elephant hunt as it’s meant to be. Each of us value things differently, what I’d consider over paying for a rifle or a teenage elephant calf you might not. That’s your right.

For reference here’s a photo of a 1910 WJ Jeffery. The pads been replaced, barrels were professionally reblacked in London probably in the 70’s and it’s potentially been re-oiled. The checkering doesn’t appear to have been recut as noted during the inspection and strip/cleaning by a former gun smith from one of London’s Most Prestigious firms. Aside from that it’s otherwise original. I’m presently working through acquiring it, but I’ll tell you it was purchased for more than $4k less than yours. I even offered to let a different forum member purchase the rifle for the same cost (down to the penny) it was offered to me.
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Additionally in November 2024 I sold a very clean Heym 470 2 barrel set to another form member for less than you valued this gun at separate from components and ammo. We all know what used Heym’s are bringing and how the entire market values them.

Take offense to calling the rifle a beater or saying you shot an elephant calf. Think about JJ smiling at my comment or about my suggestion to just have and use two nice rifles to enjoy a better quality hunt or experience. I’ve been doing the same mental gymnastics with one of my doubles as I’ll never hunt it and will likely never shoot it, but can’t bring myself to sell it following Jerome’s words of “don’t sell it, it’s essentially unfired and irreplaceable”. I’ll continue to spend my hard earned dollars on what I consider a good value and you can do the same.

To the buyer, not meant to detract from your purchase. Find out the speed the barrels were regulated for along with the pressures, and ensure the frame and stock can take the increased velocity and pressures. That’s something you’ll need info on from the proof house in Europe and barrel makers, not JJ.
 
I would encourage the buyer to read this thread and ensure they receive timestamped pictures before money changes hands. Caveat emptor.

 
I currently own 3 vintage double rifles, all of which are original (one’s never been refinished in any way) and I’ve never once paid 6 figures.

You’re welcome to take offense to me calling it a “beater” and saying it had no value to me with replacement barrels, that you chose to have milled for an optic. To me it was a working rifle that I wouldn’t be concerned with bumping, scratching, or otherwise continuing to damage wood/bluing on. The replacement barrels did raise a couple questions, that even JJ might struggle to answer without more info.

As you know, I along with @rookhawk both saw and handled the rifle you just sold in person prior to your original purchase, which if I recall you purchased sight unseen. Neither of us knew the other had looked at it while for sale at Orvis because it’d been there for multiple years. I’m glad you sold it and were able to recoup your initial purchase + cost getting it useable + reloading components. I know why you sold the rifle and I hope you’re able to truly experience an elephant hunt as it’s meant to be. Each of us value things differently, what I’d consider over paying for a rifle or a teenage elephant calf you might not. That’s your right.

For reference here’s a photo of a 1910 WJ Jeffery. The pads been replaced, barrels were professionally reblacked in London probably in the 70’s and it’s potentially been re-oiled. The checkering doesn’t appear to have been recut as noted during the inspection and strip/cleaning by a former gun smith from one of London’s Most Prestigious firms. Aside from that it’s otherwise original. I’m presently working through acquiring it, but I’ll tell you it was purchased for more than $4k less than yours. I even offered to let a different forum member purchase the rifle for the same cost (down to the penny) it was offered to me.View attachment 778871
Additionally in November 2024 I sold a very clean Heym 470 2 barrel set to another form member for less than you valued this gun at separate from components and ammo. We all know what used Heym’s are bringing and how the entire market values them.

Take offense to calling the rifle a beater or saying you shot an elephant calf. Think about JJ smiling at my comment or about my suggestion to just have and use two nice rifles to enjoy a better quality hunt or experience. I’ve been doing the same mental gymnastics with one of my doubles as I’ll never hunt it and will likely never shoot it, but can’t bring myself to sell it following Jerome’s words of “don’t sell it, it’s essentially unfired and irreplaceable”. I’ll continue to spend my hard earned dollars on what I consider a good value and you can do the same.

To the buyer, not meant to detract from your purchase. Find out the speed the barrels were regulated for along with the pressures, and ensure the frame and stock can take the increased velocity and pressures. That’s something you’ll need info on from the proof house in Europe and barrel makers, not JJ.
Pretty rough post, Bro. It is one thing to have differing opinions on a rifle, although I don't think I would chime in on an OPs for sale thread and call a rifle a "beater", but it is another thing completely to publicly criticize a fellow hunter's elephant hunt and animal. That was below the belt and unbecoming of your otherwise good contributions on this site. It is also shows disrespect to the animal and the conservation value of hunting it, especially given the challenges faced by elephant over-population in Zim and with the expensive struggle to support conservation in wild areas. I am probably one of the biggest trophy (looking for mature specimens) hunters on this site but I also know that a good hunt doesn't always end with a trophy animal or any animal. In addition, @Rare Breed also paid his dues on an unsuccessful tuskless cow hunt in the Omay, if I recall. Let's keep it civil and not criticize someone else's animals, especially an animal taken on the last day of a tough hunt that helped pay for conservation in WILD Africa. African hunters need to stick together.
 
Thanks so much for looking at this package sold to one of our members who confirmed supplies, condition of the rifle and upon test firing it he foot within one inch regulation. Special call out to @Scott CWO
 
A quick google AI search of "R.G. Coke UK 1905" popped up......

The prompt "R.G. Coke UK 1905" points to a historical record from a database tracking British individuals in East Africa: [1]
  • Individual: Reginald Grey Coke (R.G. Coke)
  • Lifespan: Born July 10, 1864, in Westminster, London; died February 8, 1930, in Chelsea.
  • Historical Context: He is recorded with the "First Date" of 1905 in the Europeans In East Africa historical database, listing his profession during his time there as having "private means". [1]

Apparently he died at 66yo in Chelsea, and he would have been 41yo when he took delivery of the rifle in 1905.

His profession is listed as: 'Private means' when he marries

For what it is worth RG Coke ( pronounced Cook) was the Grandson of the 1st Earl of Leicester . They came from Hollham House in Norfolk near Sandringham House . The Cokes were very into hunting (on horseback ) & shooting . The Bowler Hat aka the Coke Hat had its origins at Holkham . They were green and worn by the beaters . Holkham is one of the most famous shoots in the UK.
 
FYI for those interested. I received the rifle and the reloading components and every thing is as descriped. Rare Breed answered all my guestions in a speedy manor via PMs and phone calls. He also shipped the rifle and components before he received my check and gave me 3 days to inspect and shoot the rifle. You can feel confident when dealing with Rare Breed.
 

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