12 Year Old boy killed by a Croc in India

Doug Hamilton said:

I take it you are referring to the regard that people aren't worth more than animals. I think it was you that said it was a "double standard." Sounds pretty baseless to me.

Reminds me of a time an older woman gave me the old PETA line, "A rat is a pig is a dog, is a boy." I told her that she didn't really believe that. When she told me that I couldn't tell what she believed. I told her I could prove it. She had likely driven past a road killed deer that morning and given it no further thought.Then I told her, "Let's say that tomorrow you drive to work and see a three year old child lying dead on the side of the road. Do you feel the same or do you stop and do what you can?" She blanched and stammered. She knew I was right.

Is there a "double standard" where animals and humans are concerned? Of course. Should there be? Oh, Hell yes

No one has assumed anything about you that wasn't BASED on what you've written, therefore it isn't baseless.

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farmer_john said:

I was refering to the idiodic i bet you dont care about animals suffering trope.

And i never said animals have equal value to people i asked what gives human life value.

I know what makes my cheeseburgers value. And the supply chain that goes in it. So stop the fake moral outrage and twisting things into something it isnt.

Like should i stop my day to take umbrage at the horror of 1.80m people who have died since this thread was posted.

I bet all these virtue signallers havent had a passing thought as to how they died.

So you dont care. None of yall really care. And neither do the people in those communities who over several millenia could do some free things to allieveate the croc dangers yall attest to in their daily lives.


So why when i say the quite part outloud do yall get but hurt.

Im not saying im haply the kids dead or we neet to wipe out anyone whos outside my social circle.

Just i do not care. And somehow thats triggered half of yall in to fits of boomer rage.

As to the paying to kill. If your going to spend 20-50k+ to go fly out anf kill an animal halfway around the world.

Why not spemd 500+ to fly halfway around the world to go build a exclusion barrier with your savior complex to keep future kids from getting eaten?
Or why not help the hungry kids in poor rural america...

O wait that requires something more than fake outrage. And look how virtuous i am online posts.

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Doug Hamilton said:

No, I think you probably do.care about animals suffering. My point was that you made the dumb-ass comment about people caring more about the death of a human being than an animal being a "double standard" as if that somehow makes you superior. It doesn't. Now you can go be butt hurt about why people think you are dirt bag for stating that you don't care about the violent death of a child. Now ho learn something, I'm tired of your drivel.

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farmer_john said:

I was refering to the idiodic i bet you dont care about animals suffering trope.

And i never said animals have equal value to people i asked what gives human life value.

I know what makes my cheeseburgers value. And the supply chain that goes in it. So stop the fake moral outrage and twisting things into something it isnt.

Like should i stop my day to take umbrage at the horror of 1.80m people who have died since this thread was posted.

I bet all these virtue signallers havent had a passing thought as to how they died.

So you dont care. None of yall really care. And neither do the people in those communities who over several millenia could do some free things to allieveate the croc dangers yall attest to in their daily lives.


So why when i say the quite part outloud do yall get but hurt.

Im not saying im haply the kids dead or we neet to wipe out anyone whos outside my social circle.

Just i do not care. And somehow thats triggered half of yall in to fits of boomer rage.

As to the paying to kill. If your going to spend 20-50k+ to go fly out anf kill an animal halfway around the world.

Why not spemd 500+ to fly halfway around the world to go build a exclusion barrier with your savior complex to keep future kids from getting eaten?
Or why not help the hungry kids in poor rural america...

O wait that requires something more than fake outrage. And look how virtuous i am online posts.

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Hedge774 said:

Hey, @farmer_john. I'm the guy that you said gave you a "bumper sticker" response. Again, no offense taken. There are many things you say that I agree with. Many of them. From what I read, I don't think you are an evil person. Did you want a child to be eaten by a huge lizard? No, you didn't. I believe that. Bear with me here. Without Google, how many on our forum know how many children were trafficked into slavery in Mexico today? Canada? UK? I can say honestly that I do not. Does that make it any less abhorrent? Not to me. Did the boys death in India affect my life? Not at all. Do I still think it's a shame? Of course. I believe that this "spirited" conversation came from the comment of, "Who cares?" You are intelligent and articulate, and I think you might be able to agree with me. I fully believe that delivery is 90% of the message. Some might disagree, but I doubt many that deal with people on a regular basis. What I do know, without a doubt, is that this thread hasn't focused on crocodiles in quite some time. What are we focusing on then?
Love you guys.

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ElevenBravo said:

What keeps the croc from just going around the hedgerow?

Security theater at its finest.

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farmer_john said:

you can what if things to death

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ElevenBravo said:

That's exactly what risk management is. More often than not, the controls put in place are there just to check a box rather than actually do anything.

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farmer_john said:

The social control is click it or ticket.

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Hunter-Habib said:

Crocodiles are some of the most sadistic predators in existence. Instead of outright killing their prey, they will drown them and take the carcass into a hole or pit. Then, they will wait for putrefaction to begin before they begin to feed.

@farmer_john one point you made is valid. There are still a lot of Indians (and Bangladeshis) who like to blame Europeans from the colonial era (pre 1947) for many of the problems which people in our countries face today. I’m Bangladeshi and I’m admitting it to you openly. As a retired politician, I can tell you from firsthand experience that anybody who tries to relax hunting laws in our countries… immediately gets publicly compared to the “Evil European Colonists”. I personally find such conduct very deplorable and find it to be a shameless lack of accountability and an inability to take responsibility for one’s own shortcomings.

That said, I will give you my take as to why human life holds value. Our species (since pre-historic times) have always had an instinctive empathy towards our own kind (especially the young). That empathy is what allowed civilizations to develop. Okay, you can probably make the argument that humans have been killing each other since time immemorial for various reasons. But still. Tribes, clans, communities have all been established due to people empathizing with each other and working with each other. It is the basic instinct in the vast majority of people to care for their own kind.

This isn’t just common in human beings. It’s found in other animal species, as well. That’s why elephants move in herds, lions move in prides and hyenas move in packs. During the Rhodesian elephant culls of the 1970s, I recall entire herds of cow elephants forming a protective ring around their calves while they were being shot. The cows knew that they would die and that their offspring would die soon afterwards. But they used their own bodies as shields just so that their calves could remain unharmed for a few extra seconds. It was their empathy which made them do this.

In recent times, we (as human beings) have starting seeing so much death & destruction on the news that we have become somewhat desensitized to human suffering. Nevertheless, I still believe that the vast majority of people still feel some degree of empathy for others. Killing another human being is not something which comes to most people out of primary instinct. That is why, in the army… we are trained for significant periods of time to overcome this natural hesitation to kill. The only people who instinctively feel no empathy towards any fellow human beings, are what forensic psychologists term as “Psychopaths”.

That is why most people find the death of this 12 year old little boy at the jaws of a crocodile to be horrific.

I lost my elder son to suicide. Trust me, no words can describe what the parents of that 12 year old Indian boy are feeling right now. No matter how common such deaths may be in our part of the world.

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ElevenBravo said:

It's a punitive control.

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Hunter-Habib said:

Crocodiles are some of the most sadistic predators in existence. Instead of outright killing their prey, they will drown them and take the carcass into a hole or pit. Then, they will wait for putrefaction to begin before they begin to feed.

@farmer_john one point you made is valid. There are still a lot of Indians (and Bangladeshis) who like to blame Europeans from the colonial era (pre 1947) for many of the problems which people in our countries face today. I’m Bangladeshi and I’m admitting it to you openly. As a retired politician, I can tell you from firsthand experience that anybody who tries to relax hunting laws in our countries… immediately gets publicly compared to the “Evil European Colonists”. I personally find such conduct very deplorable and find it to be a shameless lack of accountability and an inability to take responsibility for one’s own shortcomings.

That said, I will give you my take as to why human life holds value. Our species (since pre-historic times) have always had an instinctive empathy towards our own kind (especially the young). That empathy is what allowed civilizations to develop. Okay, you can probably make the argument that humans have been killing each other since time immemorial for various reasons. But still. Tribes, clans, communities have all been established due to people empathizing with each other and working with each other. It is the basic instinct in the vast majority of people to care for their own kind.

This isn’t just common in human beings. It’s found in other animal species, as well. That’s why elephants move in herds, lions move in prides and hyenas move in packs. During the Rhodesian elephant culls of the 1970s, I recall entire herds of cow elephants forming a protective ring around their calves while they were being shot. The cows knew that they would die and that their offspring would die soon afterwards. But they used their own bodies as shields just so that their calves could remain unharmed for a few extra seconds. It was their empathy which made them do this.

In recent times, we (as human beings) have starting seeing so much death & destruction on the news that we have become somewhat desensitized to human suffering. Nevertheless, I still believe that the vast majority of people still feel some degree of empathy for others. Killing another human being is not something which comes to most people out of primary instinct. That is why, in the army… we are trained for significant periods of time to overcome this natural hesitation to kill. The only people who instinctively feel no empathy towards any fellow human beings, are what forensic psychologists term as “Psychopaths”.

That is why most people find the death of this 12 year old little boy at the jaws of a crocodile to be horrific.

I lost my elder son to suicide. Trust me, no words can describe what the parents of that 12 year old Indian boy are feeling right now. No matter how common such deaths may be in our part of the world.

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Doug Hamilton said:

It sorrows me to read about the loss of your son my friend. I hope time is helping.

As always there is great wisdom in your words, this time regarding human empathy and their desire to protect the young.

God's speed,

Doug

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