What Are The Biggest Threats To Hunting Poll1/2

What are the biggest threat to hunting???

  • Over hunting (too many hunters for a given resource)?

    Votes: 11 10.9%

  • Loss of habitat due to development (housing/mining/strip malls etc)?

    Votes: 58 57.4%

  • Loss of habitat due to farming/farming mono-crops?

    Votes: 24 23.8%

  • Climate change?

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Vegans wanting to make you only eat lettuce and dirt?

    Votes: 14 13.9%

  • Pacifists who want to take your guns away?

    Votes: 20 19.8%

  • Lack of protected areas where hunting is not allowed (animal seed zones)?

    Votes: 3 3.0%

  • Environmental degradation (pollution, chemical or biological)?

    Votes: 6 5.9%

  • Fading culture?

    Votes: 45 44.6%

  • High Cost?

    Votes: 36 35.6%
  • Total voters
    101
TXhunter65 said:
You left off internal decay....

You hunt with dogs
you hunt with a gun
you hunt with a crossbow
you hunt high fence
you hunt with a scope
you hunt over bait
you hunt CBL
you hunt this way, you hunt that way, if you dont hunt my way you're not ethical, you're not moral, we need to make your way illegal. That will make hunting better......until there is none left.
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Yes, internal decay. Blaming other hunters wanting an ethical standard instead of recognizing certain hunters alienate the non-hunters that get the laws changed. CBL is the perfect example. Hunters refusing to educate themselves on a distasteful practice because the price is cheap for a choreographed harvesting event. I get tired of this all hunters should support all hunters BS. If a hunter or hunting practice does harm to hunting overall it shouldn’t be blindly supported. Saying all hunters should support all hunters is simply a way to shut down any discussion to say you’ll do what you want anyway while it’s legal. If hunters actually got ahead of certain practices and policed themselves we wouldn’t worry about non-hunters and antis changing the laws for us.
 
For local hunting, I really think lack of interest with younger generations will be a problem.
For international hunting, I really think a lack of education among hunters is a problem. I think we have to be able to defend hunting as conservation to non-hunters if we want it to continue.
 
Tundra Tiger said:
A lot of folks on this site - IMHO - are not the norm, as far as economic bracket. It's tough to pass along something that does come with start up costs to a blue collar sort who can find his entertainment value somewhere else for less money and a more immediate return on his time.
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I disagree with this. It costs almost nothing to take a kid squirrel hunting or rabbit hunting. Usually if there isnt a deer season in you will be the only one in the woods.

We have become our own biggest enemies with having to draw a certain tag, or hunt a certain age class, certain size, etc instead of just taking the kids out there.
 
I did not see listed ACCESSIBILITY issues. What good is public land out west if you cannot access it? Anti hunters who own large tracks, same issue.
It does not help that licensing is expensive. If the state wants to preserve their own jobs in managing wild life, they should not inhibit participation.
 
375Fox said:
If hunters actually got ahead of certain practices and policed themselves we wouldn’t worry about non-hunters and antis changing the laws for us.
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This is a noble statement, however I don't think it accurate based on a more cynical view, of just following the money. Anti's will push for changing laws because they can make money off of it. It is a golden opportunity to fundraise. And the only way to stop giving them anything would be stop hunting.

How much money was raised and spent on the furbearer initiative in Colorado? Where did the issue come from, there wasnt anything around Mountain Lions in the news, no unethical hunts, no national outcry, it was just a way to make money.
 
Climate Change lol…good one…
Some options danced around it like “fading culture” and “pacifist taking your guns away”
I would say it differently…Leftist are by far the greatest threat.
They are the “activists” and they aggressively want to take all your rights away they disagree with
They want your guns yes
They want to ban hunting
They want to attack you on Facebook for posting pictures
They want you to lose your job
They want to ban imports
They want to destroy anything and anyone between them and their ideology.
Pressure airlines to not fly you and if not you personally…your guns and certainly your trophies
They want to pressure governments to not allow you to hunt bears, wolves,mountain lions, elephant, lions, leopard, giraffes, polar bear (climate lol), the spotted three toed owl… one by one they want to destroy you piece by piece
They want to use Government money laundered through NGOs and lawyers to fight you on every front using your own tax dollars against you.
 
deewayne2003 said:
3. As you said cost..... Working people would love to take their kids out but can't afford to and youth who are not exposed to hunting at home/supported by family are out of luck putting together the money to afford even local hunting.
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Let me share this story. I was on the board of a directors for a conservation organization, and we usually got a commissioner or governors tag to auction off, well one year we decided to do a raffle instead because we could raise more money and it would give a working class guy a chance at the tag. We I got cursed out by an outfitter saying I was messing up his business and taking money out of his pocket because now his client couldnt get that tag, I then had a member asking why I wasn't auctioning off and how was I going to keep the big donors interested in coming.

Costs are a problem but we are 100% doing it to ourselves.
 
Tundra Tiger said:
"And not passing down the culture and ethos to the next generation who seems only interested in staring at their phone."

I totally agree with this. But I also believe that passing it along is becoming increasingly more difficult because of cost and access. A lot of folks on this site - IMHO - are not the norm, as far as economic bracket. It's tough to pass along something that does come with start up costs to a blue collar sort who can find his entertainment value somewhere else for less money and a more immediate return on his time.
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Cost and access is a huge problem, much bigger than kids on their phones.
 
LivingTheDream said:
This is a noble statement, however I don't think it accurate based on a more cynical view, of just following the money. Anti's will push for changing laws because they can make money off of it. It is a golden opportunity to fundraise. And the only way to stop giving them anything would be stop hunting.

How much money was raised and spent on the furbearer initiative in Colorado? Where did the issue come from, there wasnt anything around Mountain Lions in the news, no unethical hunts, no national outcry, it was just a way to make money.
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I don’t know the details of the furbearer initiative you referenced, but I believe we do as much damage to ourselves as antis do to us. Not every non-hunting organization is anti-hunting. I’ve got to hunt some amazing areas receiving huge amounts of quiet funding from organizations you wouldn’t expect. The blindly support all hunters argument is just a way to help anti-hunters pull non-hunters to their side to me.
 
375Fox said:
I don’t know the details of the furbearer initiative you referenced, but I believe we do as much damage to ourselves as antis do to us. Not every non-hunting organization is anti-hunting. I’ve got to hunt some amazing areas receiving huge amounts of quiet funding from organizations you wouldn’t expect. The blindly support all hunters argument is just a way to help anti-hunters pull non-hunters to their side to me.
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This is great point, that there are non-hunting organizations which are distinctly different that anti-hunting organizations. I know I worked with some non-hunting orgs around research such as invasive species and habitat concerns. And to that point, I can see where you are coming from.

Counter to that point is that there is fine line between trying giving up our hunting culture or traditions (such as hound hunting or trapping), even little things like how we post pictures or keep animals wrapped in a tarp when transporting it, so as not to offend the non hunting public and just ceeding ground to Anti-Hunters.

I also believe infighting between hunters such as NR/R, bow vs crossbow, bait vs non bait, scope vs open sights, etc will turn more people off to hunting than anything else and will make it very hard to form a coalition that can counter a more united force at the ballot box.

The Colorado initiative was Proposition 127, that would have banned the hunting and trapping of mountain lions, bobcats, and lynx.
 
TXhunter65 said:
You left off internal decay....

You hunt with dogs
you hunt with a gun
you hunt with a crossbow
you hunt high fence
you hunt with a scope
you hunt over bait
you hunt CBL
you hunt this way, you hunt that way, if you dont hunt my way you're not ethical, you're not moral, we need to make your way illegal. That will make hunting better......until there is none left.
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Exactly what I was going to say
There best at getting a way of hunting done away with is other hunter (ethics) not liking how you hunt.

I am not talking about not liking the way you hunt and saying something about. ( ie 900 yd shots)
But trying to get the government and law enforcement to be the hammer to hit you with when they don’t like what you are doing
 
What I’ve seen is a disturbing trend away from hunting culturally. When I was in school small game was plentiful and it seemed everyone hunted. The Monday after the opening day of squirrel season required, to be socially acceptable with your peers in grade school, that you took the tail from your best squirrel to school. Now I can only imagine the storm that would result if a 10 year old showed up with a fresh squirrel tail. The first day of deer season was an excused absence. Now it’s very rare indeed for me to see a youngster hunting with an adult and forget a pair of 13 year olds walking down a country road carrying rifles or shotguns going hunting as I and my friends did.
This culture has become much too uptight and too many people think they have the right to impose their views and beliefs on others.
I recently shared with a young man the story of my first gun purchase at 13. I saved money from putting up hay for a neighbor and went to the Montgomery Ward Catalog store. I picked out and ordered a savage 22, mom took me to pick it up and I handed over $58 and I carried the box out of the store. I bought ammo for it from the Barber each month when I got my hair cut. Glorious times.
 
Cornell Cowboy said:
I'll just speak for Wyoming, but declining access (not habitat) is a big one and it links to costs. I didn't see it on your list, but I doubled up with cost + over-hunting, which is what happens everywhere else when the access gets all tied up. That said, there's no decline in hunting interest here.
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My western hunting is all in WY. As a non resident, cost is the problem. $800 for a bull elk tag, $1700 for a special, ugh. Other people find tag availability to be a problem, but those people just want to chase 300+ elk in a unit with lots of road access. I am happy shooting cow elk every year and a bull when I can draw a tag. CWD is also reaking havoc on mule deer.
 
375Fox said:
Yes, internal decay. Blaming other hunters wanting an ethical standard instead of recognizing certain hunters alienate the non-hunters that get the laws changed. CBL is the perfect example. Hunters refusing to educate themselves on a distasteful practice because the price is cheap for a choreographed harvesting event. I get tired of this all hunters should support all hunters BS. If a hunter or hunting practice does harm to hunting overall it shouldn’t be blindly supported. Saying all hunters should support all hunters is simply a way to shut down any discussion to say you’ll do what you want anyway while it’s legal. If hunters actually got ahead of certain practices and policed themselves we wouldn’t worry about non-hunters and antis changing the laws for us.
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Somebody needs a safe space. Triggered much? Saying the word ethical or moral is simply a way to shut down any discussion to say if you're not with me then you're not only against me.... you’re against God. Not much room for any type of, as you say, discussion after that... you're not really wanting to discuss the issue, you're wanting blind conformity to your view. Then you'll justify your view by pointing to others who hold the same view.

Choreographed harvest describes many species harvested on many continents. You’re not comfortable with the steps in the CBL dance but you make allowances for steps in other dances because you deem them morally/ethically acceptable. With complete and total disregard for others cultural, familial, religious, and personal experiences that shape their morals/ethics, because by God your view is the only one that matters.

You singled out one example I listed for internal decay, there are many more not listed, you just don't have your panties in a wad over any of them the way you do CBL hunts... yet.

I would say, while you’re lining up methods you disagree with, make sure to wind 13 coils for a proper knot but then again at your elevation on the moral high ground you're well above the tree line.
 
Not surprising loss of habitat is #1 reason. I remember sitting in the second floor of my high school and gazing out the window at a cut corn field full of pheasants stocked by adjacent gun club.. There was a mile of crop fields between the school and the closest main road. Now it's a soccer field and that mile is covered with buildings. The former gun club is long gone.
 
TXhunter65 said:
Somebody needs a safe space. Triggered much? Saying the word ethical or moral is simply a way to shut down any discussion to say if you're not with me then you're not only against me.... you’re against God. Not much room for any type of, as you say, discussion after that... you're not really wanting to discuss the issue, you're wanting blind conformity to your view. Then you'll justify your view by pointing to others who hold the same view.

Choreographed harvest describes many species harvested on many continents. You’re not comfortable with the steps in the CBL dance but you make allowances for steps in other dances because you deem them morally/ethically acceptable. With complete and total disregard for others cultural, familial, religious, and personal experiences that shape their morals/ethics, because by God your view is the only one that matters.

You singled out one example I listed for internal decay, there are many more not listed, you just don't have your panties in a wad over any of them the way you do CBL hunts... yet.

I would say, while you’re lining up methods you disagree with, make sure to wind 13 coils for a proper knot but then again at your elevation on the moral high ground you're well above the tree line.
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Stupidly is also a significant threat to hunting . . . You chose that example. I singled it out because I know of no other “hunting” activity sold on a lie that hunters support so eagerly because of the cheap price regardless of the damage it does. It has no cultural significance. It is a farming industry that didn’t exist 30 years ago, but now it gets called hunting.
 
375Fox said:
Stupidly is also a significant threat to hunting . . . You chose that example. I singled it out because I know of no other “hunting” activity sold on a lie that hunters support so eagerly because of the cheap price regardless of the damage it does. It has no cultural significance. It is a farming industry that didn’t exist 30 years ago, but now it gets called hunting.
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I agree, anyone not smart enough to spell stupidity is a threat to hunting.
 
Too many polls?
Hogpatrol said:
Question for our foreign members, is hunting a fading pastime in your country?
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We are doing well in Ontario Canada. Last I checked hunting licenses and some tag sales were up, the government gave us back a spring bear hunt and turkey hunting is thriving in its rebirth.

While the feds are screwing around with firearms laws that has very little impact on hunting.
 
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