Mannlicher Schönauer 'Prewar' M1900, M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910, M1924, 'M1925' or 'High Velocity'

Mufasa said:

I'm asking for help from anyone with a 1903 takedown. I always have trouble getting the pin out on mine (I have to unscrew the two screws). Is there a small piece or something missing on the right pin? Thanks a lot.

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Brian! Fantastic! Really fantastic I owe you so much!!! Thank you for you time for me . Orieno

Hi grand veneur,

Love your M-Sch 9,3x64. Really scarse.
By the way have you ever seen, or know about one, in 10,75x68?

I have heard rumors of the 10.75x68, but always second hand or requests for information. Never even seen a picture of one.

Clodo Ferreira said:

Hi grand veneur,

Love your M-Sch 9,3x64. Really scarse.
By the way have you ever seen, or know about one, in 10,75x68?

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It is said to have existed. There are rare photos of pre-WWII MS rifles caliber 10,75x68.

Steyr was very generous in fulfilling customer requests in the past, which ultimately was not always profitable for the company. Apparently, production of the classic MS rifles was discontinued for cost reasons.

Thank you !

MS 9x56 said:

I have heard rumors of the 10.75x68, but always second hand or requests for information. Never even seen a picture of one.

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Stoeger offered them.

Stoeger Catlog (US), 1939:

Mufasa said:

Brian! Fantastic! Really fantastic I owe you so much!!! Thank you for you time for me . Orieno

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From a November, 2020 post of mine to another 'site; measurements of my own M1910 Take Down Pin:

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Can some one measure a take down pin, I need the lenght of the taper portion from the collar to the tip

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I knew I had posted this somewhere before all my stored photos were lost last October when a former computer died - went looking on other 'sites and finally found it here on NE.

From diagram and information below, deduct measurement #5 (Top of Head to Bottom of Flange) from #1 (Overall Length) for your dimension of 1.125" or 28.57mm.
Measurement No. 6 - 'Flange to Radius at Bottom of Pin' of 1.063" or 27mm does not include the radiused end.





Inch --- Millimeter --- # - Description
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1.312 --- 33.32 --- 01) Overall Length

0.073 --- 01.86 --- 02) Thickness of head*

0.079 --- 02.00 --- 03) Head to Flange

0.032 --- 00.82 --- 04) Flange Thickness

0.187 --- 04.75 --- 05) Top of Head to Bottom of Flange

1.063 --- 27.00 --- 06) Flange to Radius at Bottom of Pin

0.445 --- 11.30 --- 07) Diameter of Head

0.251 --- 06.38 --- 08) Diameter of Flange

0.185 --- 04.70 --- 09) Diameter at Inside of Radius Between Head and Flange



Diameter of Pin:
0.197 --- 05.00 --- 10) At Flange

0.179 --- 04.54 --- 11) At 13.5mm Below Flange (mid-point to bottom radius)

0.165 --- 04.20 --- 12) At Start of Radius at Bottom of Pin


0.850 --- 21.60 --- 13) Center of Spring Pin to Flange

0.874 --- 22.20 --- 14) Bottom of Cut for Spring (to flange)

0.064 --- 01.62 --- 15) Thickness of Spring

0.065 --- 01.64 --- 16) Width of Slot for Spring

0.106 --- 02.70 --- 17) Notch in Spring (Catch)

0.221 --- 05.62 --- 18) Width of 'Push Pin' Face (Knurled)

0.092 --- 02.34 --- 19) Thickness of #18 at center (ends taper upward in a 'moon' shape)


*02) Underside of Head of Pin tapers downward toward center - thickness measured at edge where knurl begins. This is why #s 2+3+4 = less than #5


The plates mounted to the stock have holes of the following size for the pin to pass through (from right to left); Right Side - 5mm Left Side - 4.4mm .

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Citizen of the Cherokee Nation

Mufasa said:

Brian! Fantastic! Really fantastic I owe you so much!!! Thank you for you time for me . Orieno

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More:

top photo - pin is 180 degrees from spring latch.
bottom photo - pin comes through the end of the spring latch.

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Citizen of the Cherokee Nation

Mufasa said:

Brian! Fantastic! Really fantastic I owe you so much!!! Thank you for you time for me . Orieno

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A French member posted this to another 'site in 2017:

Good news.
The uphill struggle for finding fore-end pins for MS detachable stock models has come to an end!
Michael Miedler (Austria) can produce them upon request; he recently produced a new one for me and he was also able to repair a broken leaf spring on a damaged pin I sent him. All work is professionally done and stock pins fit well. Michael can be contacted through his email...

Here is a link to Herr Miedler's shop: Miedler

Mufasa said:

Brian! Fantastic! Really fantastic I owe you so much!!! Thank you for you time for me . Orieno

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How it should work: M1910 Take Down

MS 9x56 said:

I have heard rumors of the 10.75x68, but always second hand or requests for information. Never even seen a picture of one.

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From the Mannlicher Collector's Association, 'About Mannlichers':

Finally, the pre WWII Mannlicher-Schoenauer tops its chamberings with a Mauser product, the 10.75x68mm. I purchased one in 1972 and sold it off in 1974 because I could find no ammunition for it. A well-known gun dealer and often outspoken Mannlicher-Collector once even went on record that the M-S could never have been chambered in the cartridge. Too bad he did not explore the issue in more detail. The MCA archives have photos of a 10.75x68mm Model 1910 in Australia, and another has been reported floating about in collections in the Pacific Northwest. You can also see them for sale in the European version online gun auctions.


Ever mysterious, the 10.75X 68 Mannlicher Schoenauer.
Per above, at least one is on an M1910 action. Why? Was it built prior to the M1924 'Sequoia'?

Brian Rothhammer said:

From the Mannlicher Collector's Association, 'About Mannlichers':

Finally, the pre WWII Mannlicher-Schoenauer tops its chamberings with a Mauser product, the 10.75x68mm. I purchased one in 1972 and sold it off in 1974 because I could find no ammunition for it. A well-known gun dealer and often outspoken Mannlicher-Collector once even went on record that the M-S could never have been chambered in the cartridge. Too bad he did not explore the issue in more detail. The MCA archives have photos of a 10.75x68mm Model 1910 in Australia, and another has been reported floating about in collections in the Pacific Northwest. You can also see them for sale in the European version online gun auctions.


Ever mysterious, the 10.75X 68 Mannlicher Schoenauer.
Per above, at least one is on an M1910 action. Why? Was it built prior to the M1924 'Sequoia'?

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Brian you know more about Mannlicher Schoenauers than anyone I know. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

MS 9x56 said:

Brian you know more about Mannlicher Schoenauers than anyone I know. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

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I'm delighted to share, but member Kuduae (Axel Eichendorff) knows much more than I.

Brian!!! a really special thanks for all our info!!!! I am your debtor!!! Grazie mille Oriano

Brian Rothhammer said:

I'm delighted to share, but member Kuduae (Axel Eichendorff) knows much more than I.

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Is Kuduae still active on here?

I really want a H&H Mannlicher in .400/375 belted.

I would like to have a 1924-1925 or High Velocity in 9,3x62 and 30-06. The best Mannlicher-Schoenauer to me.

I was re-reading the initial messages in this thread and just wanted to post a musing about buying an MS pre WWI that ammo is no longer commercially loaded for. First a big thank you to several members here who helped me locate sources for brass and sorting out bore size. This model 1905 taught me more about reloading than I ever could have imagined. There is much satisfaction in sorting out a puzzle over 100 years old. The very real pleasure comes from carrying these pieces of history and learning what perfect tools they are for the hunting fields. Again thank you all for your wisdom and willingness to share it.