Hello, everybody. I'm a new member here, having joined to post replies to another member's excellent inquiry regarding the M1903, and found myself thinking; "How about a thread focused on the pre WW2 Mannlicher Schönauer?" I'll start with a question of his regarding the M1910 and my (rather long winded) reply: Dean MacdonaldAH Member Hi Brian, Thanks for your message. I have really come to appreciate this little MS Carbine. It shoots great with factory ammo, and just "feels right" in the hands. I am very interested in the 1910 model and caliber also. The 9.5X57 is not one that I am familiar with except in books, and even then, there is not too much out there. I may have the opportunity to purchase one of these (also in a full stock version) but have been hesitating for several reasons, not the least of which is ammo availability. What have your experiences been with shooting this caliber? How about sourcing ammo or reloading components for it? I would love to hear what you have to say about it. Dean Dean MacDonald Brian RothhammerAH Member Glad you liked it. Have you viewed that thread lately? https://www.africahunting.com/threads/1903-mannlicher-schoenauer-6-5x54-questions.44736/page-2 The Mannlicher Schönauer sporting rifles and carbines were, indeed, known for their 'feel'. They were particularly regarded as light, quick handling brush and timber guns with instinctive 'point and shoot' characteristics when quickly brought to the shoulder ('snap shooting') and using the iron sights. These were truly designed and engineered to be used without scopes. Your scope should, however, be mounted in a way that allows you to use the iron even with scope installed. Just the same; go ahead and take it off (your 'Vienna snapper' mount will always return to zero). Now imagine you've just heard a large angry pig running at you from behind. Spin 'round while shouldering the MS and putting cheek to rest - you're on target! One reason for such 'pointability' is the cast of the stock. With the scope (love those post reticles), as you've found, they are great target shooters. The only reason I can think of to hesitate on an M1910 purchase, if priced sub - $2,000 USD and in good condition (particularly as you're already 'bit' by the MS bug and will kick yourself later if you miss it), would be the scarcity of and price of ammunition. To my knowledge the only one of the four Mannlicher Schönauer proprietary cartridges that are readily available these days as mass produced 'factory loads', aside from the very expensive Kynoch that is occasionally produced in small runs, is your 6.5X54. The M1924, with its longer action and magazine, was built for the 'U.S. model 1903' cartridge (.30-'06), the M1925 and later models were chambered for several different cartridges. The early MS were chambered for their corresponding proprietary cartridges: M1903 - 6.5X54, M1905 - 9X56, M1908 - 8X56, M1910 - 9.5X57. The M1900 were truly prototypes of the 'Greek Contract' military MS and were also 6.5X54, as were the 'Greek' issued Y1903, 1914, 1927, etc.. Different catalogs and references used different measuring points (from bottom of base or from top of extractor groove...), and 9.5X57 ( M1910) was known to the British trade as .375 Nitro Express Rimless 2.25", or .375 RNE. If you want a 'prewar' MS with a readily and consistently available 'factory' ammo supply, find an M1924. That said, all four of the 'prewar' MS cartridges are available presently from Reed's Custom Ammunition of Oklahoma, U.S.https://shop.reedsammo.com/Metric-Calibers_c198.htm . Ron is a good guy. I've ordered 9.5X57 from him and it measures out perfectly and cycles flawlessly in my M1910 takedown (haven't shot any of it yet). He uses new Norma 9.3X57 brass which he first draws straight, then forms a fresh and properly shaped shoulder. This is important, as I'll get to in a bit. Beware of handloads built by others from ?X57 brass. Check all measurements. Ron also understands the importance of the shape and profile of the entire cartridge as it relates to smooth operation of the Schoenauer magazine. He builds them right. The 9.5X57 provided me an excellent introduction to the world of reloading. I learned to load a few decades ago just to feed the MS, then continued to save money on other cartridges. At that time (pre internet) the only 9.5X57 brass that I could find was Berdan primed, Cordite powered vintage loads. The good news, as I learned, was that forming 9.5X57 from (readily available) .35 Whelen brass is a simple two step operation. With a two die reloading set (mine is RCBS), merely run the Whelen through the sizing die once, then cut to 57mm overall length. Hornady 3715 (.375, 270 grain RN) were then readily available and, when set to the cannelure, made almost exact replicas of DWM 531. Now the situation has reversed. Properly sized and headstamped (and reasonably priced) brass is available from Quality Cartridge (QualCart), but properly shaped projectiles for the 9.5 X57 have become scarce, with Woodleigh being consistently available but consistently expensive. Those who load for the 9.5X57 MS (M1910) should watch Midway USA for their 'factory second' .375 - 270 RN, which is sometimes available. I have purchased them (as low as .26 per) and am convinced they are Hornady 3715 with no apparent blemishes at all. If forming your own cases from 'donor' cases, avoid the various '_X57' cases unless you are going to expand and draw the necks out straight, as they have lower and narrower shoulders than the 9.5X57. Simply running '?X57' brass through a standard two die reloading set will leave the low, narrow shoulders untouched. Some (many, actually) will advise that all one need do is 'fireform' any '_X57' brass in your chamber to resize. Others advise against the practice as it is known to stretch and weaken cases at the web which shortens case life while risking rupture. The proper 'old school' choice of donor was the .30-'06, cut down as I had the .35 Whelen, but to resize those necks from .30 to .375 involves expanding the neck through three progressive passes (with three expanders). For powder, after much research I found that IMR 4895 works well at a near equivalent to the proofed Cordite load. Ballistics of the 9.5X57 are similar to those of .35 Whelen. From 1939 Stoeger Catalog: There is a Saxon forester, Axel Eichendorff, who posts to several 'sites as Kuduae. He uses a M1910 MS on the job as his 'go to' for culling hunts and gives it very high marks. They are known to be excellent pig rifles, and are often used on larger game. As you saw in the photo of ol' Granddad, the M1910 was also very effective on leopard. Some pigs who encountered an M1910 (not my photos): BR.