Dream me up your perfect medium and big bore reloading bench- including all tools

Same old RCBS chargemaster I’ve used for the last decade-ish. I originally tweaked the programming on it to help both speed and accuracy of its drops, and went from the old straw insert trick to a more refined brass insert a gent over on the campfire custom milled. It does a fair job, check accuracy on a second scale. I have to adjust more drops than I don’t. Often have to play with the programmed charge weight down, then trickle up.

It drops H1000 great, RL15 really well, H4831 I have to adjust nearly every drop as it will be over .1-.2 gr.


The next thing I upgrade will be one of the fancy Australian annealers and the Canadian scale/powder dispenser. Too late to recall the name of either…and both super cool tools Mac of course introduced me to.
The AMP annealer and Autotrickler would be good upgrades.

Ive been fairly satisfied annealing with the little crow works mandrels but an AMP would be quicker and easier.

I preordered the ingenuity precision powder drop 2 years ago…I guess I should’ve just one with the AT…
 
I’m very happy with my Hornady Auto Charge Pro. It has several settings for speed. One controls the first stage and the second the trickle speed at the end of the charge. If I set them both on the slowest it is highly accurate and dispenses a charge in just slightly longer than it takes me to seat a bullet. Very efficient and accurate.
 
I would suggest considering the Area 419 Zero press. It can accommodate large case lengths and is very precise. Plus you can purchase multiple turrets to set up your dies and leave them. It does not prime cases, however, so you will need a separate system for that. I use a Lee single stage press to prime the cases at separate sub-station next to the main bench to keep the priming at a reasonable distance from the powder. Here is my set up:

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Following with a lot of interest!
 
F#&k, I am going to need to add a room to the garage!
HA!

Plan for a larger space, but start with a cartridge you shoot a lot. The 419 turret press listed above would be a very nice start if you have the funds. Turrets are nice.

Which cartridges are you planning to load?

Thanks,
AJ
 
I would suggest considering the Area 419 Zero press. It can accommodate large case lengths and is very precise. Plus you can purchase multiple turrets to set up your dies and leave them. It does not prime cases, however, so you will need a separate system for that. I use a Lee single stage press to prime the cases at separate sub-station next to the main bench to keep the priming at a reasonable distance from the powder. Here is my set up:

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Your level of organization makes me jelous.

How fast/complicated is a turret swap on the 419?
 
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Your level of organization makes me jelous.

How fast/complicated is a turret swap on the 419?
Thanks!

It is very quick (~ 20 seconds) - it is just one screw to loosen/tighten the turret to change it and the kit comes with a torque wrench set for it.
 
When I made my original post in this thread I didnt think about the RCBS Rebel press.. Thats actually what I'd recommend for anyone thinking about doing a whole lot of big bore and long cartridge OAL stuff.. its got a huge window (4.75").. Much bigger than the Rock Chucker, Hornady Lock n Load, Lyman Crusher, etc..etc.... and the same as the Area 419 Zero press.. but at 1/6th the price tag..

thats not to take anything away from the Area 419.. its one of, if not the highest quality presses made..

but with a $1400 price tag, for me, the juice isnt worth the squeeze..
 
When I made my original post in this thread I didnt think about the RCBS Rebel press.. Thats actually what I'd recommend for anyone thinking about doing a whole lot of big bore and long cartridge OAL stuff.. its got a huge window (4.75").. Much bigger than the Rock Chucker, Hornady Lock n Load, Lyman Crusher, etc..etc.... and the same as the Area 419 Zero press.. but at 1/6th the price tag..

thats not to take anything away from the Area 419.. its one of, if not the highest quality presses made..

but with a $1400 price tag, for me, the juice isnt worth the squeeze..
I have a rock chucker and have the hornandy quick detach adaptors on my dies. But id like to speed things up a bit. Thats why im looking at other options.
Ill use the rock chucker for case prep once i upgrade. Just dont know what i want.
 
Thanks!

It is very quick (~ 20 seconds) - it is just one screw to loosen/tighten the turret to change it and the kit comes with a torque wrench set for it.
I heard there was some kind of retaining ball that was prone to fall out or something causing problems.
 
I'm a big fan of the area 419 zero press. It will handle up to 500NE. The reason is its the highest quality turret press you can buy. When I set up a turret with dies for reloading and I tune those dies, I probably will NEVER adjust them again. Every time you adjust your dies, you run a chance of damaging brass or bullets. With rare or large bore calibers, ruining a piece of brass or a bullet matters a lot to me. Set it and forget it is how I operate.

Keep in mind, I select the one best soft bullet for my caliber and I never change it. For largebore double rifle calibers, I select a soft and identical shape solid and set it once, forever. I like repeatable quality over diversity of options because I abhor handloading. I have better things to do with my life, but handloading is a necessary evil for the types of rifles I enjoy.
 
I have a rock chucker and have the hornandy quick detach adaptors on my dies. But id like to speed things up a bit. Thats why im looking at other options.
Ill use the rock chucker for case prep once i upgrade. Just dont know what i want.

Ive been thinking about buying the hornady QD kit... its super affordable (I think about $40 at cabelas) and comes with 8 bushings I think...

how has it worked out for you? any problems or things to know about it other than to put it in the press and go?
 
Ive been thinking about buying the hornady QD kit... its super affordable (I think about $40 at cabelas) and comes with 8 bushings I think...

how has it worked out for you? any problems or things to know about it other than to put it in the press and go?
Getting the OG bushing off the rock chucker was fun. Other than that its been great. Basically put it on. Set it and tighten the lock ring and it becomes a quarter turn on and off.
 
Preface: I agree with @rookhawk about set and forget for your double hunting rounds (and maybe your bolt carts) once you've figured out your final loads, but you don't have to do a turret press to make that happen.

This would be my recommendation for someone just starting out, wanting to start with the "big stuff", and not having a real interest in handloading for its own sake, because these are not the qualities of your typical handloader. Handloading isn't for the impatient; it's the fly-tying of big game hunting. Before buying any equipment, buy these three manuals and spend a lot of time reading to understand the principles and processes of handloading.
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Lyman has the best guides on the equipment and components you need without selling you anything and the best info on what to watch out for. Graeme's book does this as well, with a deeper focus for large African brass cases. Hornady has load data for all the African cartridges as a backup reference to Graeme's book. This combination of manuals is the best I can think of for what you want to do. Total cost $125

I would start your handloading journey by loading for a pistol cartridge, revolver if you have one; any one will do. This will be a smaller version of your double carts you can get familiar with the process of measuring, charging, seating, etc. The Lyman and Hornady manuals have you covered for any pistol cart you may have.

Press: There's no progressive (auto) press that will handle African carts. Turret presses are fine but I prefer single stage; I have three. I like to keep my dies in their boxes when I'm finished and set them up for each loading session because how I'm loading a particular cart changes from time to time. The other thing is if you ever want to use large body dies, you want a single-stage like the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme or Redding's Big Boss or Ultramag presses with the included bushing; turret presses can't accomodate them. In any case, you want a press with a frame opening larger than 4-inch; the Rock Chucker is 4.25, Reddings are 4.5 and 4.75, respectively. You could spend $90 on a Lee Challenger 3 that will load anything you want (yes, it will; I have one) up to $1400 for the Area 419 turret that will also. It's personal preference and you may end up with more than one press.

Dies: For the big African carts, I would get RCBS at around $200 each. You don't need to be brand loyal when it comes to dies; I have sets from all the majors and two or three sets per cart. If Lee makes dies for your carts, they are an excellent value and make ammo just as high quality as the expensive dies- mine do. Even when I choose an expensive set for some reason, I always buy the Lee set also. I have at least two sets of dies for all my carts, but I like dies! $35-$250 per set depending on brand and caliber.

Priming: I prefer on-press priming, nothing special needed. I don't mind placing one primer at a time by hand. Personal preference. For hunting, specialist priming is not necessary.

Triming: Yes, you will need to trim for loading consistency, performance, and safety. I would get the Forster hand trimmer because they make a trimmer specifically for large cases. You could do my setup with the Classic on one end for your double carts and Original on the other for everything else. Graeme talks about modifying his Lyman trimmers for large cases; the Forster Classic is ready to go out of the box with correct size collets, pilots and trimmer heads. About $200 for each trimmer in kit form that includes the collets and most of the pilots.
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Annealing: You don't HAVE to anneal, but I think there are benefits especially for the larger cases. Graeme thinks annealing is important and describes several methods. It's not difficult and you can practice on cheap cases (like your pistol cases).

Powder dispensing: You can scoop or spoon powder for free or you can buy expensive auto dispensers. I prefer to scoop and trickle with my Lee powder scoops and Lyman trickler, but I recently bought a new Lyman measure and three old 55 measures to play with and they are very good with extruded stick powder- I like the older measures better. I would still throw short and trickle because I want to know that my charges are accurate and consistent.
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Powder measuring: I prefer a digital coarse and beam scale final measurement. Again, I believe a manual process would be best for what you're trying to do UNLESS you're willing to spend a grand or more on powder measuring. I put my pan on the digital scale, get close with the scoop, put the pan on the beam and trickle to the balance point. Nothing can be more assuredly accurate than that! I don't need the digital because I know my scoop weights- just personal preference.
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Cartridge measuring: I hate measuring case length and OAL but it's necessary. I have dial calipers with the Hornady bullet and headspace comparater sets. I also have a fancy bench mounted, spring loaded dial caliper for headspace/shoulder bump but I never use it. Simpler is better and close enough is close enough in most cases. For me, case length is the most important thing because you don't want the case too long so the mouth jams into the chamber throat. It's also important for bullet seating depth consistency.

Miscellaneous: I use Lyman tumbler and corn media with the polishing compound already added to it. I studied the wet pin tumbling and decided it wasn't for me. Too much extra work loading, dumping, drying, collecting the pins, extra wear on brass. Dry is tried and true. I load black powder cartridge also where wet tumbling would make sense, but even in this case, I just soak in soap water and be done. You need one of those hand tools to chamfer and debur the case mouth; again, I prefer manual to power.

Bench: You can go dedicated, elaborate room with all the trimmings or setup a portable table in the corner of an office. I have a small folding computer table made of half-inch pressboard that is FLIMSY (TV dinner tray shown alongside for scale), but I have no trouble sizing 416 Rem Mag or 45-70 on it. I C-clamp my Co-Ax press to it and go to work. I also put my Lee benchplate mounts on it. It all depends on what you want and need, how you want it to look, how permanent you want it to be, etc. I like my stuff portable and hidden when I'm not using it. I have boxes and cabinets with all my stuff tucked away when not in use. I don't care for stacks and stacks of visible components and tools; other guys prefer it. Personal preference. Good luck (start with the manuals then decide)!
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Bench 2x4s anchored to the wall or floor, top is 3/4" plywood, all equipment that can be, is bolted to the bench top. First thing to do is buy a good manual. Some are good for beginners like the Lyman, then study it and follow its recommendations. Other manuals published by bullet manufacturers will be limited to loads for their product. Reloading equipment can seem expensive but generally it's an exercise in "buy once, cry once".
 
Lyman has the best guides on the equipment and components you need without selling you anything and the best info on what to watch out for. Graeme's book does this as well, with a deeper focus for large African brass cases. Hornady has load data for all the African cartridges as a backup reference to Graeme's book. This combination of manuals is the best I can think of for what you want to do. Total cost $125

Triming: Yes, you will need to trim for loading consistency, performance, and safety. I would get the Forster hand trimmer because they make a trimmer specifically for large cases. You could do my setup with the Classic on one end for your double carts and Original on the other for everything else. Graeme talks about modifying his Lyman trimmers for large cases; the Forster Classic is ready to go out of the box with correct size collets, pilots and trimmer heads. About $200 for each trimmer in kit form that includes the collets and most of the pilots.
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When I saw your trimmer setup, I thought you'd snuck into my basement and took a picture of my setup!

BTW: I agree with your entire post! I also get multiple die sets and can leave seating dies locked in for each bullet when necessary.

AJ
 
I forgot a couple of small but important things.
Case lube: I have had the best results finger-applying Lee's water based case lube. I also have Imperial Case Wax which is petro-based and it does a decent job also, but the Lee has worked better for me. To stay consistent, I use Lee with Lee dies and ICW with all other dies, but one day I will probably switch to Lee for everything. Don't mix case lube!
Primer flip tray: a must no matter how you prime; I like the RCBS square tray.
Powder funnel: I'm not sold on the fancy funnels; plus, there's none made that will work for anything over 338 (I think there's one that goes up to 375). I'm happy with my Lee plastic funnel.
Special dies: RCBS straight wall Africans are 3-die sets with separate die for case mouth expansion; you want this for all your straight-wall cases. If you can only get a 2-die set, buy a Lyman M die of the appropriate caliber for expansion- Redding and RCBS sometimes have these also. NOE Bullet Molds sells expander plugs for a Lee die body up to 470 cal. If Lee makes a Factory Crimp Die for your cart, buy it and use it no matter what your main die set is. Get a universal decapping die to remove primers separate from the sizing step if you are using and expander die or plug.
 

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