Blaser R8 - 458 WM or 458 Lott

Random question now that I’m in the club, is there enough meat to bore a standard barrel to some variety of .45? Suppose a guy didn’t want to have to buy a second stock to accommodate a larger barrel channel.
 
Random question now that I’m in the club, is there enough meat to bore a standard barrel to some variety of .45? Suppose a guy didn’t want to have to buy a second stock to accommodate a larger barrel channel.
17mm is .66 inches roughly. I don’t believe you’d have enough meat for 458.
 
Now that’s no way to talk. Everyone needs a 458.
I seemed to have missed that step and went from .450/400 straight to 505.
 
I actually saw a couple of R8’s chambered in 458 Win Mag at one of the booths at DSC this year. These were Selous barrels just like mine. I believe they have been discontinued, but still a few floating around I suppose.
Most of the rifles and barrels at the Blaser booth for the SCI show were provided by The Sporting Shoppe that’s based in Rhode Island. Not sure if that was the case for DSC.
 
Get the .458 WM. Buy a chamber cast from Cerrosafe. Find out exactly how long that freebore is. Then, get some good brass (Norma or Peterson) and start experimenting. You will likely find that you can push a heavy bullet fast enough to kill anything on the planet, without the extra case length and thump of the Lott.
 
I kind of used a rather primitive method of measuring the chambers and throats. I simply took a 458 Win Mag case and loaded a 450gr TSX to the max COAL of 458 Lott, which is 3.6”. Of course it would easily load into the Lott chamber, but it would also easily chamber into the Win Mag chamber as well. I then loaded another dummy round with an even longer COAL until I finally loaded one long enough to touch the end of the chamber throat. Both the Lott and Win Mag barrels took exactly the same COAL before reaching the end of the throat. So, essentially, the Lott barrel has the same long throat as the Win Mag barrel, it just has a longer chamber to accommodate the Lott case. That said, I can easily load the 458 Win Mag to the same length as 458 Lott loads and get exactly the same performance.
I actually wrote the measurements down somewhere, but I’ll have to see if I can find them. But as you have pointed out, the magazine length will stop you before the chamber will.
As can be seen in this picture, the 458 Win Mag case can be loaded to 3.660 inches and still easily chamber into the R8 458 Win Mag chamber. Even at this length, it doesn’t come close to the end of the throat as I recall. But the bullet design won’t allow you to “practically” load it any longer due to the grooves on the bullet itself.

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I found my measurements in an older thread. See pics from that thread.

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Thank you for this Toby :)

Looks like Blaser is doing in essence what I was discussing for the CZ 550 in my first post in this thread: take a Lott chamber and push a Win reamer into it to lengthen the throat (of course they probably do it in a single operation with a Lott reamer modified to have a Win throat).

I wonder what the European CIP specs are for the Lott reamer, compared to the SAAMI specs? If the CIP includes the Win throat in the Lott chamber, they regroup the best of both cartridges :)

So, per my magazine-related post the R8 allows the Win to be loaded to Lott specs (3.6") and beyond (3.8" magazine maximum physical capacity), and per Toby's freebore-related post both Win and Lott barrels have enough freebore to shoot a 3.7" COAL. This is a draw.

What still favors the Lott is that the longer case will give much better neck tension when loading long.
 
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Get the .458 WM. Buy a chamber cast from Cerrosafe. Find out exactly how long that freebore is. Then, get some good brass (Norma or Peterson) and start experimenting. You will likely find that you can push a heavy bullet fast enough to kill anything on the planet, without the extra case length and thump of the Lott.

"without the extra case length" certainly, but if you load the Win to Lott specs, you will get exactly the same thump ;)

And, as indicated above, what still favors the Lott is that the longer case will give much better neck tension than loading the Win long.

Not of course to mention the backup offered by Lott commercial ammo.

Truth be told, I fully understand why Blaser discontinued the Win chambering. Why get a Win when the Lott is available? All this "loading-the-Win-to-Lott-specs" chat only applies in my mind to folks who already own a Win on a H&H-length action*, and do not want to buy a Lott (or ream to Lott), but for a new barrel / rifle, the Lott seems rather obvious.

* those who own a Win an a standard length action are SOL :(
 
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So what r8 do you have in 458 lott weight and recoil?
Blaser R8 Selous
12.5 lbs with scope
Very manageable recoil and the fastest bolt action on the market.

HH
 

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What height rings do you have on your Selous? I called Euro Optics and they are saying highs.
Highly recommend a rail mounted scope (no rings) to keep the optic as low as possible. Especially important on a high recoiling rifle like a 458WM or LOTT. Another advantage of this design is there is no scope leveling, it's perfect the way it is and setting the eye relief is all that's needed.
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What height rings do you have on your Selous? I called Euro Optics and they are saying highs.
That setup is the Blaser base with Tier one med height scope rings.

HH
 
17mm is .66 inches roughly. I don’t believe you’d have enough meat for 458.
Yeah,.most smiths want at least 1/8" (0.125") wall thickness over the bore diameter in standard cartridges, Personally I like 5/32" (0.15625") wall thickness for magnum cartridges = 0.770" at the muzzle for a .458, and even 11/64 (0.171875") = 0.802" at muzzle, I might go slightly heavier as I did in my carbine at 0.815" at the muzzle, but I don't see a good reason to go over 3/16" (0.1875") wall thickness... for a .458 that equates to 0.833" at the muzzle... if recoil is the concern, I can think of better ways to mitigate recoil than just stacking on an overly heavy pipe. JMO, YMMV.
 
Personally, the Lott's recoil above that of the .458 Win feels much more than the numbers above indicate.

If one needs more power than the .458 Lott provides, may I recommend an artillery piece? :)
Wait, That's an option??
 

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