Cape buffalo scrum cap or old warrior mounts

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Would anyone be willing to share their photos of any cape buffalo mounts that fall under the scrum cap or old warrior category? The recent thread about buffalo under 40" got me interested in seeing how some of those unique-character mounts would look on the wall.

There is an abundance of after-the-shot photos but I don't think I've ever seen a mount of one on the wall.
 
I’m going to guess that most of these trophies are mounted Euro style.
 
Just need a full skull, sitting on the floor.

In a prominent place, of course

At least that’s my choice.
 
I’m going to guess that most of these trophies are mounted Euro style.

Even that being the case, seems like not many people have them saved as a trophy.
 
Even that being the case, seems like not many people have them saved as a trophy.
Ya seems like something everyone talks about they would shoot…. But when it comes down to it they want a more standard trophy.

Talk the talk but don’t walk the walk!

They also are just not as common as you may think. Not a lot of buffalo make it to that age for various reasons
 
Would anyone be willing to share their photos of any cape buffalo mounts that fall under the scrum cap or old warrior category? The recent thread about buffalo under 40" got me interested in seeing how some of those unique-character mounts would look on the wall.

There is an abundance of after-the-shot photos but I don't think I've ever seen a mount of one on the wall.
I'm waiting on a European mount pedestal mount from 2024 Mozambique hunt. Still haven't gotten it back yet.

However, it will look like this. I'm told the mass of the boss will carry enough weight that it will balance on the pedestal.


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That's a really old, nice looking buffalo. Definitely share those pictures when it comes back. I'd love to find a trophy like that some day.
 
Ya seems like something everyone talks about they would shoot…. But when it comes down to it they want a more standard trophy.

Talk the talk but don’t walk the walk!

They also are just not as common as you may think. Not a lot of buffalo make it to that age for various reasons
Every time I see one on this forum from Caprivi I always ask it was shot on exportable trophy quota or own-use non-exportable quota. Somehow I never receive an answer. That makes me think they are shot on non-exportable quota. It’s a very unique trophy when it’s a discounted trophy fee. I think a lot less hunters are wiling to shoot them at full price than say they want one.
 
I'm happy for anyone that wants to shoot one. It's your money and if you're happy, I'm happy for you. But for me personally, I don't get the appeal. It feels like weird marketing hype to me. It would make sense if it was heavily discounted. But at full price or even a premium price, it seems silly to me. We don't apply this same metric to any other animal. No one is clambering to pay full price or extra to shoot a gemsbok with two horns broken down to nubs. You could insert any animal into that last sentence. Only buffalo get the marketing hype of it being the world's best to shoot a completely broken to the bases "trophy".
 
I'm happy for anyone that wants to shoot one. It's your money and if you're happy, I'm happy for you. But for me personally, I don't get the appeal. It feels like weird marketing hype to me. It would make sense if it was heavily discounted. But at full price or even a premium price, it seems silly to me. We don't apply this same metric to any other animal. No one is clambering to pay full price or extra to shoot a gemsbok with two horns broken down to nubs. You could insert any animal into that last sentence. Only buffalo get the marketing hype of it being the world's best to shoot a completely broken to the bases "trophy".
Some hunting cultures do… specifically Germans, Austrians, and the like. In Namibia, German clients will literally be “clambering,” as you said, to shoot an old oryx with two nubs. It would bring them immense joy, and they would proudly show it off and brag about it to their hunting friends. I’ve seen it firsthand. So don’t say “nobody.” I guess you mean all your American buddies?

In Namibia, I specifically shot my kudu because it was one horned. I gladly paid full price, as the outfitter has many German clients and is German himself. It would be prized by the majority of his European clients.

After that, I specifically asked for the shortest, most worn oryx we could find. I had a “when in Rome” epiphany. Spend time hunting with Germans and some of their hunting culture will rub off on you. So I did as the Germans do, they take no pride in killing males in their prime.

I actually like the European outlook on hunting in Africa and going for the oldest, most ragged male specimen. It’s not marketing hype, as you say…it’s simply generations of good game management practices in Europe that carried over into parts of Africa.

The opposite tends to happen in American hunting culture. Those giant 370–400" elk that get killed are almost always 3,4,5 years old, yet no one would pass on that. We just want the high “score.” It’s simply a different outlook.
 
Some hunting cultures do… specifically Germans, Austrians, and the like. In Namibia, German clients will literally be “clambering,” as you said, to shoot an old oryx with two nubs. It would bring them immense joy, and they would proudly show it off and brag about it to their hunting friends. I’ve seen it firsthand. So don’t say “nobody.” I guess you mean all your American buddies?

In Namibia, I specifically shot my kudu because it was one horned. I gladly paid full price, as the outfitter has many German clients and is German himself. It would be prized by the majority of his European clients.

After that, I specifically asked for the shortest, most worn oryx we could find. I had a “when in Rome” epiphany. Spend time hunting with Germans and some of their hunting culture will rub off on you. So I did as the Germans do, they take no pride in killing males in their prime.

I actually like the European outlook on hunting in Africa and going for the oldest, most ragged male specimen. It’s not marketing hype, as you say…it’s simply generations of good game management practices in Europe that carried over into parts of Africa.

The opposite tends to happen in American hunting culture. Those giant 370–400" elk that get killed are almost always 3,4,5 years old, yet no one would pass on that. We just want the high “score.” It’s simply a different outlook.

You are pointing at exceptions and pretending it's the rule. Statistically, you are incorrect.
 
Some hunting cultures do… specifically Germans, Austrians, and the like. In Namibia, German clients will literally be “clambering,” as you said, to shoot an old oryx with two nubs. It would bring them immense joy, and they would proudly show it off and brag about it to their hunting friends. I’ve seen it firsthand. So don’t say “nobody.” I guess you mean all your American buddies?

In Namibia, I specifically shot my kudu because it was one horned. I gladly paid full price, as the outfitter has many German clients and is German himself. It would be prized by the majority of his European clients.

After that, I specifically asked for the shortest, most worn oryx we could find. I had a “when in Rome” epiphany. Spend time hunting with Germans and some of their hunting culture will rub off on you. So I did as the Germans do, they take no pride in killing males in their prime.

I actually like the European outlook on hunting in Africa and going for the oldest, most ragged male specimen. It’s not marketing hype, as you say…it’s simply generations of good game management practices in Europe that carried over into parts of Africa.

The opposite tends to happen in American hunting culture. Those giant 370–400" elk that get killed are almost always 3,4,5 years old, yet no one would pass on that. We just want the high “score.” It’s simply a different outlook.
They are also use to paying less for these animals. Their management also divides quota into different age classes of animals. Both these have had a big impact on German and Austrian hunting culture. They still take some great trophies. There are just many less on quota.
 
You are pointing at exceptions and pretending it's the rule. Statistically, you are incorrect.
Your statement

“Nobody is clambering to shoot an oryx with two nubs” is statistically not true.
If you want to go at it like that haha.

I was just pointing out a different view point from other cultures.

More Germans hunt in Namibia than Americans every year, so there that for statistics too.

Either way, I’m glad to have hunted with Germans and shot old animals.

Funny me and my friends do the same here when hunting Nilgai, aoudad, and Whitetail.

It’s just more fun hunting for the oldest male you can find.
 
They are also use to paying less for these animals. Their management also divides quota into different age classes of animals. Both these have had a big impact on German and Austrian hunting culture. They still take some great trophies. There are just many less on quota.
not really sure what point you are making, sorry ?

And I think those are good practices.
 
not really sure what point you are making, sorry ?

And I think those are good practices.
German/Austrian hunters aren’t solely motivated by taking the oldest animals just because. There is a legal side that forces them in some cases and a financial side that incentivizes taking older animals that are lesser trophies.
 
German/Austrian hunters aren’t solely motivated by taking the oldest animals just because. There is a legal side that forces them in some cases and a financial side that incentivizes taking older animals that are lesser trophies.
Ok, im just basing my view on it from my time in Africa sharing camp fire with multiple German hunters on two safaris and staying with a German family that hunts all over. (y)

Yes their hunting regulations shapped their view. As you and I both said.
 
Ok, im just basing my view on it from my time in Africa sharing camp fire with multiple German hunters on two safaris and staying with a German family that hunts all over. (y)

Yes their hunting regulations shapped their view. As you and I both said.
And I’m basing mine from having hunted multiple countries in Europe.
 
And I’m basing mine from having hunted multiple countries in Europe.
Not Germany though right?
I’m talking about the Germans I have met and hunted with. They all wanted to shoot old worn animals. Full price. That is MY experience.

And I was just adding a different point of view to @Sabre comment tha “Nobody” is clambering for a nubbed oryx when I have literally seen some one clambering for one :ROFLMAO:

You are wanting to argue (y)
 
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