Do any of you invest in gold and silver, and if so, how?

@Rimbaud, I wish that were true. The ratio fluctuates constantly. But right now there are approximately 350 promises for future gold. (What I call “paper gold”. ) For each ounce of physical gold held. And even some ETFs are not 1-1. some are futures in mining companies etc.

At some point, somebody’s going be disappointed and force majeure will be used to settle up.

@Betterinthebush, it’s still a good time to buy physical metals. It’s not a good time to own metals in the market.
Disagreement makes the market. I was closely involved with the launch of a major Gold ETF, and friends were involved in listing many of these commodity-based ETFs and securing SEC approval. That said, I am not a metals trader, but I do enjoy financial fireworks. Good luck with your positions.
 
@Rimbaud, I have tried to share both sides of the coin. From my perspective and opinion. But my biases have broken through.

For investing similar to the stock market. I think ETFs are best for most people.

Physical metal is more like holding physical ammunition versus an investment in an ammunition company.

Different purposes for both. Physical metal is a PITA to move quickly and selling through a store is very costly. So it’s best to sell directly on the street which is time consuming and sketchy.

Pros and Cons to both. I think we agree that Most people are best served by ETFs

 
We have an apocalypse stash in the safe. It has become embarrassingly valuable over the last couple of years.
Where is your safe located in the house? And when is your next hunt planned? :)
 
@Rimbaud, I have tried to share both sides of the coin. From my perspective and opinion. But my biases have broken through.

For investing similar to the stock market. I think ETFs are best for most people.

Physical metal is more like holding physical ammunition versus an investment in an ammunition company.

Different purposes for both. Physical metal is a PITA to move quickly and selling through a store is very costly. So it’s best to sell directly on the street which is time consuming and sketchy.

Pros and Cons to both. I think we agree that Most people are best served by ETFs

I forget the story, but some grandee was once accused of talking his book, and the fellow replied: Of course, I’m talking my book! Who else’s book would I discuss? Personally, I’m fascinated by the hold that gold has on so many people. I know a hedge fund manager who carries iPhone pictures of his gold bars that he has in a Swiss vault just in case the world gets sporty. My father - against my advice - began buying physical gold when spot was below $1,000. He has many coins now in his safe, and I would like to sell them but it is not an easy transaction. I cannot recall how many times I have encountered doubts that there was enough gold in London, or elsewhere, to back up the big ETFs. I always thought silver was the poor man’s gold - until last year when it caught a massive bid, and especially as investors moved it from London to the US to get ahead of feared US tariffs. I do know that there is not enough gold for major investors (pensions, etc) to build meaningful positions, and that has always intrigued me, especially as central banks have been gold buyers. I see this morning that some of the big banks are talking up gold, again. These are very interesting times.
 
Maybe your father and I can work something out if he wants out of his gold. :giggle:

the new ministry of minerals is to get Ahead of the strategic reserves being build up in rare earths and Gold.

China is buying every pound of gold They can get their hands on until they reach levels near or above the US. That is an economic and strategic defense issue also, not only a retirement account issue.



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If these trends continue, there will be a day in the near future where governments want more control over that physical gold. In the name of National Security they will cash out or force majeure accounts. Hopefully it doesn’t get to the place where they ban owning those metals.
 
are there any insights into private holdings? I once heard that per capita, India has the biggest amount of physical gold between its borders. But mostly in the hands of private citizens
 
are there any insights into private holdings? I once heard that per capita, India has the biggest amount of physical gold between its borders. But mostly in the hands of private citizens
Incredibly, religious festivals there and across Asia can sway gold prices. Gold is given as gifts and women are adorned w gold jewelry st wedding time because they are allowed to keep that as their property. The price volatility caused by the latter was a key reason the World Gold Council was tasked w creating a gold ETF.
 
I can attest to this. It is difficult to fathom the amount of gold that changes hands in Indian weddings or for any festival, for that matter. There is a temple in southern India, Tirupati, which has about 11 tons of gold in its reserves.
 
A few years back before the prices were too nutty, a buddy of mine bought a rent house. The floor drains in the basement would not drain properly, so he had to cut them out, upon doing so he discovered that the drains were packed full of silver coins. Amounting to several one gallon paint cans full of coins, which he sold at the time and paid for the house in full.

He also found a Winchester 30-30 framed in a wall. Story was the original owners had went through the Great Depression and did not trust banks. Quit an interesting and unique find.

At these prices he may have been able to buy half the neighborhood.
 
I can attest to this. It is difficult to fathom the amount of gold that changes hands in Indian weddings or for any festival, for that matter. There is a temple in southern India, Tirupati, which has about 11 tons of gold in its reserves.

Here is something strange. When I look this up, it says the Temple has 11Tons of gold. Internet also says US has about 8.13 tons of gold.

When I ask the value of the gold at each place it says the temple gold of 11 tons is worth 1.7billion USD. And the US gold reserve of 8.13 tons is worth 1 Trillion USD.

It's hard to imagine the gold at the temple could be that much lower purity to account for such a drastic difference in valuation. What am I missing?
 
A few years back before the prices were too nutty, a buddy of mine bought a rent house. The floor drains in the basement would not drain properly, so he had to cut them out, upon doing so he discovered that the drains were packed full of silver coins. Amounting to several one gallon paint cans full of coins, which he sold at the time and paid for the house in full.

He also found a Winchester 30-30 framed in a wall. Story was the original owners had went through the Great Depression and did not trust banks. Quit an interesting and unique find.

At these prices he may have been able to buy half the neighborhood.
I was told by a older gentleman.
Put the coins in a mason jar. Put quick creat in a hole put the jar in the hole add enough to cover said jar. Put your post in and more qc
Very few will figure out you have something important under the post.
You can find it easy because of the post.
And as hard as it is to get to the jar.
Your really going to need it to do all the work to cash them in.
Needing more beer want be enough to go after it
 
I was told by a older gentleman.
Put the coins in a mason jar. Put quick creat in a hole put the jar in the hole add enough to cover said jar. Put your post in and more qc
Very few will figure out you have something important under the post.
You can find it easy because of the post.
And as hard as it is to get to the jar.
Your really going to need it to do all the work to cash them in.
Needing more beer want be enough to go after it
I heard from a guy from one of the v old Philadelphia families that another guy from a v old family likes to buy high-grade diamonds. All the dealers know him, and call him when they get highly-rated diamonds. This guy buys the diamonds, puts them in metal coffee cans, and then cements them into the wall of his townhouse basement. His other hobby is even odder. He likes to sneak pistols into places that pistols are not allowed, including White House State Dinners, airplanes, etc. This is one of the craziest stories I’ve heard.
 
What am I missing?
“You can’t trust everything you read on the internet”?!?

If there would be a temple owning so much gold as Germany, Italy and France together, would they really advertise it on the Internet? I’m quite sure there would be a long line of governments ready to declare them a terrorist organization and confiscate their gold.
 
I don't have a lot go gold, but my wife and I buy 21-24 carat gold jewelry from time to time. When I was in Iraq in 2009-2010, I purchased some cheap 21 carat gold rings for around $200 for three of them. I had the appraised last month and that's one of the best investments I've made. Should have bought 1,000.
 
When my wife and I got married in June, 1985 we went to Lake Tahoe for our honeymoon. Dollar slots used to pay out silver dollars. During our week, I had well over 1,000 come to me on several good pots...which I traded in for paper bills. 20/20 hindsight sucks.
 
All the gold that has ever been recovered from planet Earth, plus all that ever can be recovered, will fit inside a cube less than 100 feet a side. It is real estate that you can carry in your pocket.
 
Here is something strange. When I look this up, it says the Temple has 11Tons of gold. Internet also says US has about 8.13 tons of gold.

When I ask the value of the gold at each place it says the temple gold of 11 tons is worth 1.7billion USD. And the US gold reserve of 8.13 tons is worth 1 Trillion USD.

It's hard to imagine the gold at the temple could be that much lower purity to account for such a drastic difference in valuation. What am I missing?

The US has 8130 tons, not 8.13 tons
 

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