Heym For Sale On GunBroker

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I just saw this on GB this morning. I don’t know anything about doubles, but I enjoy reading/learning about them. The seller seems to have added a number of addendums to this ad due to buyers’ questions.

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Good price so far assuming the 88b is in good condition. Need more photographs to assess the piece, stock, etc.
Go to Gunbroker.com and look at the pics and read all about it. The pics of it looked ok to me, but again, not really knowing what to look for in a double, I just glanced through them. I just posted this in the event someone here was interested in it.
 
Could be a good candidate for conversion to 450NE at that price.
Yeah, I thought because it is a .458WM that’s why it’s less expensive than usual? But, what do I know?
 
Did you notice the buy it now price?
Start the bidding low, it shows up in more searches, generates more interest because it would be a steal at that price.
Lots of time for the word to be spread, just as it was here. By the time it closes, it will either be up to a reasonable price or the seller will "buy" it and pay the auction fee. The "no reserve" doesn't actually mean he doesn't have a minimum price.
 
Did you notice the buy it now price?
Start the bidding low, it shows up in more searches, generates more interest because it would be a steal at that price.
Lots of time for the word to be spread, just as it was here. By the time it closes, it will either be up to a reasonable price or the seller will "buy" it and pay the auction fee. The "no reserve" doesn't actually mean he doesn't have a minimum price.
Very true. Although with two days left on the bidding, it’s still priced pretty low? The other Heym doubles for sale on GB start at the $16-19k range. It’ll be interesting to see what is sells for?
 
You cannot give away a .458 win mag double rifle. That’s the problem. Some of that is tradition, some of it is that its likely regulated with an “original” load that is a bit weak, but a lot of it is that its a rimless cartridge and thus if the ejectors have any issues or a load gets stuck, you’re SOL.

I saw a $90,000 beretta years ago at the Beretta Gallery that was bought by a dealer, then passed, then passed, then passed. Last I saw it was unused at $34,000 and had run through Morphy’s auction 2-3x with no bids.

I wouldn’t pay a penny over $7500 for a low to mid-grade Heym in .458, as wonderful a cartridge as a 458 is and as great a gun as a Heym is. They just shouldn’t be mixed together.
 
Very true. Although with two days left on the bidding, it’s still priced pretty low? The other Heym doubles for sale on GB start at the $16-19k range. It’ll be interesting to see what is sells for?
A few hours to close is usually when any serious bidders will appear. The guy didn't help himself with some mediocre, even poor, pics. I forget what the seller's % to GB, but bad pics might cost this guy a bit if it doesn't get any real bidders.
His explanation for extractor/ejector was comical.
I put it on watch just to see where it does end up.
 
A few hours to close is usually when any serious bidders will appear. The guy didn't help himself with some mediocre, even poor, pics. I forget what the seller's % to GB, but bad pics might cost this guy a bit if it doesn't get any real bidders.
His explanation for extractor/ejector was comical.
I put it on watch just to see where it does end up.
I forgot about the fact the seller could buy it if it didn’t meet the “buy now” price. I’m a little slow sometimes?
 
You cannot give away a .458 win mag double rifle. That’s the problem. Some of that is tradition, some of it is that its likely regulated with an “original” load that is a bit weak, but a lot of it is that its a rimless cartridge and thus if the ejectors have any issues or a load gets stuck, you’re SOL.

I saw a $90,000 beretta years ago at the Beretta Gallery that was bought by a dealer, then passed, then passed, then passed. Last I saw it was unused at $34,000 and had run through Morphy’s auction 2-3x with no bids.

I wouldn’t pay a penny over $7500 for a low to mid-grade Heym in .458, as wonderful a cartridge as a 458 is and as great a gun as a Heym is. They just shouldn’t be mixed together.
Good points! I never thought about the rimmed cartridge issue in a double? Although, I do see Lott, .416 Rigby and .375 H and H doubles for sale every once in a while when browsing. Probably not many around though.
 
Hello, folks. I thought I'd stop in and introduce myself. Someone from this forum was asking me some questions about this rifle and told me that this rifle had been mentioned on this forum. My company is Cornish Armory, a very small home-based FFL off-grid in the back woods of NH. If any of you have any questions about this rifle, I'd be glad to tell you all I know about it. The biggest thing I hunt is NH Whitetail deer, so all this African safari stuff is very foreign to me. I know nothing about African hunting or dangerous game hunting or double rifles. It would be cool to go on an African safari, but frankly it probably will never happen.

I wrote a rather lengthy post about the rifle and all about it, but the system won't let me post it. It keeps saying I have "inappropriate content", but I can't figure out what it doesn't like. The error message says to contact an administrator if I can't fix it, so I'll try that.

Regarding the last post, I've been on GunBroker since they started in early 1999, and I'm pretty sure there is no provision there for a seller to buy an item that doesn't meet the BIN price. In fact, I think any bids on my own items would get me kicked off GB, if I could even do it. This rifle is definitely going to sell, and it definitely is not going to be to me.

If I can figure out how to get around the "inappropriate content" thing, I will post the rest of the story behind the rifle, as I know it.
 
Maybe my post was just too long, so here's the middle part:
I think some people are suspicious that the starting bid is "too low". From what someone else told me, and what rookhawk confirmed above, the 458 isn't the most desirable caliber in this rifle. Much has been made by some interested parties of the fact that this is a rifle that has been on safaris, not just hung on the wall. It is in excellent condition, but there are handling marks and some bluing wear and some tarnishing of the bottom of the receiver. As you've noticed, I did a lousy job of taking pictures. I'm working on improving my photography.

The auction is quite real. The rifle will definitely sell to the high bidder in a couple days. I did make the BIN probably a bit too high, but I really didn't know values, and I just pulled a number out of the air. I should have made it probably $12K, but the auction got a bid within a few hours of being posted, and then I couldn't alter anything.

The person from this site who asked me questions about the rifle was asking about the rifle's regulation, and was wondering if perhaps it was being sold for such a low price because of a problem with regulation. I had no idea what that even meant, and he was kind enough to explain that to me. I'll paste below my response to him, which will hopefully clear up some questions about the rifle and what I know about it and its background. If you have any other questions about it, ask me here, on GunBroker, or email me at CornishArmory@gmail.com
 
Perhaps you’d feel more comfortable with the gun if I tell you about the background. This isn’t some single rifle (pun there) that someone decided to unload because it wasn’t right. It is part of a very extensive collection of big and very big/dangerous game hunting guns and ammo from the estate of an older man who used to take all this stuff on safaris. From the clues I’ve seen in dealing with all this, I’d say most of it has not been used much, if at all, since about the late 1980s. This rifle is just one of some 60 or so big game hunting rifles and shotguns, as well as about 50 handguns, that I acquired from this estate. It isn’t one gun that’s being dumped due to a problem. These guns all came with over a dozen 1.5 cu ft U-Haul boxes packed full of boxes of ammo. I had hundreds of boxes of all this ammo. Most of it has all sold by now. I’m down to just a few boxes of the “small” stuff – 375 H&H Magnum and .30-06, and that’ll all be gone by next week.

I’d actually planned to try shooting this rifle myself before I sold it (I wanted to shoot at one of our pesky squirrels with it), but then the ammo all flew out the door in a huge flurry, along with other calibers at the same time. I’m not used to such high volume sales, and it was a struggle just to keep up with it and not make any mistakes. Then, the next thing I knew, the ammo was all gone. So I guess I won’t get to shoot it. Unless I contact one of my buyers and beg them to sell me back a couple rounds. ;-)

Anyway, I’ve been so busy with selling the handguns and ammo that I haven’t even looked at selling the long guns that came with it. I’ll probably be trickling them out for the rest of the year. The only reason this Heym (the star of the collection), is up for sale now is because one of my buyers of 458 Win Mag and 416 Rigby ammo was in a conversation with me and it came out that I had this Heym and a couple Dumoulin safari rifles. I sent him some pics and he made an offer on all 3. I thought the offer was OK on the Dumoulins, but I just wasn’t sure on the Heym. They seem to be worth between $5K and $15K, but that’s an awful big range. So I told him I’d put it up on GB and if no one topped his offer in one 2-week run, he could have it (note the reference to that in the item description). The Dumoulins are still pending. So that’s how the Heym kind of jumped to the head of the line in selling the long guns.

I’m confident that this rifle was part of a large collection of working guns that were used on multiple safaris and that were in use up until the man apparently stopped going on safari. It definitely is not a one-off that someone is trying to unload because there’s a problem with it. As far as ammo, I can tell you that all of the 458 Win Mag ammo was of these types:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/891641621
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892945461
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/891642036

The owner had many, many boxes of these 3 types of ammo, so I assume that the gun worked well with them. The collection also includes a Rem 700 in 458 Win Mag, so presumably some of that ammo would have been used in the Remington. So I don’t know which ammo was used with the Heym, but it would have been one of those 3 types.
 

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Yep, I guess it was just the length. Anyway, I hope that clears up any questions you may have about this rifle and the auction.
Best Regards,
Brian
Thanks for the explanation. And welcome to AH!
If the gent had a number of big bores (or small ones for that matter), this would be a good place to gain knowledge of what you are trying to sell.

Btw, I have sold more than a few things through auctions; there is no shame, nor is it disreputable to buy back your property if it does not make a fair price. Just costs you the seller's premium and in some auctions, the buyer's premium as well. Happens all the time....

Good luck with your sales!
 
From what I've seen, $6000-7000 is roughly the max price people are willing to pay for a 458wm double. I've seen them sit for a long time on the Buy it Now option at these prices and I would bet that most end up selling for less if someone makes an offer.
 
I just noticed something VERY odd about this rifle.

The gun has a feature, about a $2000-$3000 upgrade you can see plainly on the forend. It is an extractor-ejector disconnect switch. This switch disables ejectors for situations where you do not want the noise of ejecting shells to give up your location, or at the range where you‘d prefer your spent brass not hit the concrete.

However, the 458 Winchester is a rimless cartridge and as such, you cannot make an extractor gun in 458. No one would ever pay a significant upcharge to add that feature to a 458.

So now to explain the cloud:

1.) These aren’t the original barrels
2.) These barrels were changed from another caliber
3.) These barrels are not in 458 Winchester
4.) It was originally a multi barrel set and the barrels that can utilize extractors are lost

At any rate, I’d be very careful about this gun as that feature points to a serious problem that doesn’t have a reasonable explanation that doesn‘t further devalue the weapon.
 
I just noticed something VERY odd about this rifle.

The gun has a feature, about a $2000-$3000 upgrade you can see plainly on the forend. It is an extractor-ejector disconnect switch. This switch disables ejectors for situations where you do not want the noise of ejecting shells to give up your location, or at the range where you‘d prefer your spent brass not hit the concrete.

However, the 458 Winchester is a rimless cartridge and as such, you cannot make an extractor gun in 458. No one would ever pay a significant upcharge to add that feature to a 458.

So now to explain the cloud:

1.) These aren’t the original barrels
2.) These barrels were changed from another caliber
3.) These barrels are not in 458 Winchester
4.) It was originally a multi barrel set and the barrels that can utilize extractors are lost

At any rate, I’d be very careful about this gun as that feature points to a serious problem that doesn’t have a reasonable explanation that doesn‘t further devalue the weapon.
Rook I owned an Austrian extractor .375 for many years. The tabs can work in an extractor or ejector format. It functioned perfectly. Never owned one with a disconnect feature, but I don't understand why it wouldn't function as well.

I notice that Heym does not currently offer the 88b in .458 - I have no idea if they ever did, though an older catalogue would answer the question. They do still offer it in .300 Win Mag and .375 H&H. So, they regularly deal with a rimless design. The catalogue offers no indication that the cutoff switch is only available in rimmed chamberings.

An email to Heym would no doubt resolve both questions.

Here is a .458 that sold on Guns International that was priced at $15K. It also has the switch.

@brianNH's rifle looks like a pretty good deal to me.

 

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