Really Nice Muzzleloader For Sale

[rookhawk]

This week, Gander Outdoors has the Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader for sale for $700...that’s below dealer cost.

can shoot 4 777 pellets or 150+ grains of BH209. People hot rod them into 500 yard guns, remington claims 300 yards out of the box.

increase your draw odds...put in for muzzleloader tags!

 

[ActionBob]

Damn, and I was in town today!

 

[rookhawk]

Damn, and I was in town today!

FYI. It is a rem 700 so a 4473 background check and potentially a waiting period are required. It is considered a modern centerfire rifle by BATF.

 

[Hogpatrol]

With four pellets, it'll kill on one end and maim on the other and yes, sabot MLs are good for 300 yards at best.

 

[rookhawk]

For $180 you can replace the breech plug with an arrowhead. Then you’re using magnum rifle primers for ignition and you can use blackhorn 209 powder. Now you’re able to do 300-500 yards depending on the scenarios and your abilities.

a muzzle break is $300 and will cut things down significantly. Without one, you’re benchrest shooting a 458 or worse.

 

[Hogpatrol]

For over ten years, I've been shooting a smokeless muzzleloader pushing a 200 gr. SST at 2680 with a sabot. 300 yards is 1 MOA accuracy. After that, it's all over the place. Call Arrowhead and he'll tell you the same thing. You won't get 500 yards out of any ML with a sabot regardless of primers, powder or breechplug.

Edit: You will get those ranges on the internet.

 

[Daggaboy375]

That's weird that ATF classified it as a modern firearm.
The cva paramount is not ffl required and I understand that it is built on a 700 pattern, ie will fit Rem 700 SA stocks.

DB375

 

[rookhawk]

For over ten years, I've been shooting a smokeless muzzleloader pushing a 200 gr. SST at 2680 with a sabot. 300 yards is 1 MOA accuracy. After that, it's all over the place. Call Arrowhead and he'll tell you the same thing. You won't get 500 yards out of any ML with a sabot regardless of primers, powder or breechplug.

Edit: You will get those ranges on the internet.

Gunwerks sells a 500 yard 50 cal sabot muzzleloader with a 1 moa guarantee. It’s $8000 or so. But the point is, it is possible, it’s just a tremendous waste of time trying to get 5” groups at 500 yards with a plastic solo cup wrapped around a bullet with a BC or .1

 

[Hogpatrol]

@rookhawk Just curious, do you have a link to that guarantee? I can't find it on their website and yeah, that rifle is for someone with more money than brains.

 

[buckmarkhunter]

I bought one of those last yr for my NM elk hunt. I use bh209 with 92gr by weight and a 300 Parker ballistic extreme bullet with the sabot they sell. I’m shooting a 6 inch group at 325 yds. Sweet setup.

 

[rookhawk]

@rookhawk Just curious, do you have a link to that guarantee? I can't find it on their website and yeah, that rifle is for someone with more money than brains.

I don’t, they re-did their site.

If you google gunwerks muzzleloader 500 yards the search results say 500 yard MOA but the link to dead links.

 

[Hogpatrol]

I don’t, they re-did their site.

If you google gunwerks muzzleloader 500 yards the search results say 500 yard MOA but the link to dead links.

Hmm. Maybe that guarantee was costing them too much money. Aside that, the guys shooting land riders are really stretching the envelop with SMLs.

 

[TheWhitetailNut]

Gunwerks sells a 500 yard 50 cal sabot muzzleloader with a 1 moa guarantee. It’s $8000 or so. But the point is, it is possible, it’s just a tremendous waste of time trying to get 5” groups at 500 yards with a plastic solo cup wrapped around a bullet with a BC or .1

That's with bullet to bore, not a sabot.

 

[TheWhitetailNut]

That's weird that ATF classified it as a modern firearm.
The cva paramount is not ffl required and I understand that it is built on a 700 pattern, ie will fit Rem 700 SA stocks.

DB375

It IS a model 700 rifle with a muzzleloader barrel, not something that merely fits a similar stock.

 

[Travis2282]

Gunwerks sells a 500 yard 50 cal sabot muzzleloader with a 1 moa guarantee. It’s $8000 or so. But the point is, it is possible, it’s just a tremendous waste of time trying to get 5” groups at 500 yards with a plastic solo cup wrapped around a bullet with a BC or .1

I believe knight has a 500 moa one also.

 

[Tra3]

What would the recoil comparison be for a 300 grain slug at 150 grains of BH209? I ask because I really enjoy hunting with my knight ultralight, but it is the hardest recoil of my rifles.

 

[rookhawk]

What would the recoil comparison be for a 300 grain slug at 150 grains of BH209? I ask because I really enjoy hunting with my knight ultralight, but it is the hardest recoil of my rifles.

There is no recoil calculators for bh209 or bp.

With optics, this rifle weighs 10.5lbs. Your knight weighs less, you can at least estimate the improvement from weight.

 

[WAB]

I guess I’m old school, but to me my .54 hawken is a muzzleloader. I’m good to 150 with it. To me these units seem like technology to get around game regs.

 

[rookhawk]

I guess I’m old school, but to me my .54 hawken is a muzzleloader. I’m good to 150 with it. To me these units seem like technology to get around game regs.

Make zero mistakes about it: these are designed and built to get around game Regs. 1,000,000%

Here in CCCP Illinois, you can hunt with a slug or a muzzleloader or a 40lb draw vertical bow. They added crossbow only 2 years ago. So how are you going to hunt? You need the range in a state with 6 trees to shoot 300 yards into a bean field.

Unrelated rant: the ml and slug have 50-80 lbs of recoil, all dangerous game recoil types. How will a kid hunt? Answer: by the time they can, they are no longer interested, just like the gov’t wanted.

 

[DCN]

Love my 700 Ultimate ML. It is built like a tank and a bit of a pig to carry in the woods all day but is perfect for stand hunting.