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This reads rather like an alarmist climate document from the previous administration where we should anticipate New Orleans and New York submerged by the sea withing 20 years. That said. like climate change, the alarmist language doesn't mean it isn't happening. However, it does mean the pace and effect of change could be quite different than this strategy implies.

Let's deal with "de-Euroization" first. There are facts which go into this sort of analytical conclusion that are worth agreeing upon before reaching an immediate judgement of the validity of the strategy. Currently, the birthrate average across the EU among native born Europeans is 1.4-1.6. This has been true for several decades and is well below the 2.1 necessary population rate. Mathematically, at some point, native Europeans become extinct. Long before that happens, economies would crumble due to the collapsing labor force.

EU policy, resisted by only a very few European States, is to bridge that collapsing population gap with immigrants primarily from the Third World, a significant majority of whom are Muslim. Whether or not that is a meaningful "threat" to European culture is currently unknown. If the majority assimilate then Europe will gradually become a little darker and more religiously diverse, but would remain "European." If they do not, then not only will native Europeans gradually become extinct (remember, however uncomfortable, math is inexorable) but so would European culture as we currently understand it.

IF that is true, then the question for the West, and for the US specifically, is whether any of that matters and what if anything to do about it.

With respect to the bullet points specifically, the first one assumes there is general agreement that some sort of instability exists in Europe. For a nation only just recovering from BLM rioting and in the midst of the most divisive political environment since 1859, that is a rather bold accusation. Perhaps the US should focus on its own stability first.

Strategic stability with Russia has been the stated goal of every administration of both parties since the end of the cold war. We can all remember Hillary Clinton's reset button. Trump seems determined to embrace it as well regardless of the behavior of the dictator in the Kremlin. That likely will be a continuing source of diplomatic conflict with Europe.

The second point is a nicely packaged way of making wanning support of the Atlantic Alliance seem part of an actual logical strategy. That logic escapes me entirely. To me, and many other "internationalists" the surest way to strategic "stability" with the despot in Moscow would seem to be to convince him any geographic aspirations in Europe or threats to sovereignty are unobtainable. That is best done with a unified Western voiced through the Atlantic Alliance with its most powerful member exerting leadership.

The third bullet is the most concerning to me. That implies an activist US policy to undermine current European political choices. This is the sort of thing one would read in Johnson era document regarding Southeast Asia, a Regan era strategy document regarding Latin America, or a Strategy document from the Bush era concerning the Middle East. I would suggest the EU collectively and individual European states treat that with some alarm as should anyone in this country with a modicum of understanding of US national interests.

Taken together, this essentially reads that we intend to relinquish our leadership role in Europe to take on a completely contradictory role of creating political instability on the continent. Perhaps the Joint Chiefs and civilian leadership should start regular strategy sessions with their counterparts in Moscow to coordinate strategy.
I fear that it is only too accurate

European birth rate is, and has been for some time, below the 2 children average necessary to maintain a population

The economies of Europe are in decline

Propping them up with uneducated 3rd world peoples who represent a net economic loss is not a solution

The idea that Muslims will assimilate with a western culture is hopeful in the extreme

We are being destroyed from the inside by the left wing determined to undermine the capitalist way of life and replace it with a (hopeless) desire for a global socialism

What will actually happen, at best, is a fracturing of cultural, legal and political systems resulting in pockets of surviving groups based around a residual culture

At worst the Western, Christian culture will be over-run

If you in the USA think that you are immune from the catastrophe that is befalling Europe, I would suggest you look to history - it is littered with smug and failed empires

If I had any sense I'd leave the UK and accept the economic cost of moving

Business has taught me that, in a failing market, your first loss is your least loss

If I had the courage I'd take that loss and move

I have a US passport (thanks to a first marriage) - however, at 68 years old I'd not have the income and residual assets to prosper

I'm also reminded of many of my family and friends, when faced with a similar conundrum - first in Zambia, then Rhodesia and finally SA - was to ''keep moving South''

The west is in trouble - ''moving South'' is not a cure - merely an expensive postponement of the inevitable

Part of me feels like the German Jew of 43 - who knows that they should get out - but just hopes that all will be well
 
Unfortunately, facing reality of non assimilating cultures and stating it out loud. Is quickly demonized as Xenophobic or Racist.

Just like during the Covid pandemic when it became known that over 90% of the deaths were directly related to Obesity, and other Co morbidities and their effects.

The media, and Government would not only hide that vital news. They would de platform anyone sharing those “conspiracy theories”.

Painful honesty sometimes can save the patient. But obviously feelings are more important.
 
EU policy, resisted by only a very few European States, is to bridge that collapsing population gap with immigrants primarily from the Third World, a significant majority of whom are Muslim. Whether or not that is a meaningful "threat" to European culture is currently unknown. If the majority assimilate then Europe will gradually become a little darker and more religiously diverse, but would remain "European." If they do not, then not only will native Europeans gradually become extinct (remember, however uncomfortable, math is inexorable) but so would European culture as we currently understand it.
Well, they have not assimilated in the UK. I do not recognize the UK of today compared to the UK that I went to boarding school at in the '70s.

I figure in another 20-30 years UK will be a majority Muslim country with Islamic laws and values.
 
Well, they have not assimilated in the UK. I do not recognize the UK of today compared to the UK that I went to boarding school at in the '70s.

I figure in another 20-30 years UK will be a majority Muslim country with Islamic laws and values.

sadly, I think you very well might be right..

at this point its going to damn near take a revolution to get their country back..

I think before that happens you'll see en masse migration from the UK to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US.. they'll just give up their country before they fight to regain it..

I hope Im wrong... but I dont think I am..

The problem is Canada and Australia are already on a very similar path.. theyre probably 10-20 years behind the UK.. but if they dont start making some changes theyre going to be overrun as well.. their immigration policies arent that different..
 
sadly, I think you very well might be right..

at this point its going to damn near take a revolution to get their country back..

I think before that happens you'll see en masse migration from the UK to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US.. they'll just give up their country before they fight to regain it..

I hope Im wrong... but I dont think I am..

The problem is Canada and Australia are already on a very similar path.. theyre probably 10-20 years behind the UK.. but if they dont start making some changes theyre going to be overrun as well.. their immigration policies arent that different..
I’ve put my case as clearly as I can

To comment further would risk the police at the door

Besides

Over half the population here are content with the direction of travel
 
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I fear that it is only too accurate

European birth rate is, and has been for some time, below the 2 children average necessary to maintain a population

The economies of Europe are in decline

Propping them up with uneducated 3rd world peoples who represent a net economic loss is not a solution

The idea that Muslims will assimilate with a western culture is hopeful in the extreme

We are being destroyed from the inside by the left wing determined to undermine the capitalist way of life and replace it with a (hopeless) desire for a global socialism

What will actually happen, at best, is a fracturing of cultural, legal and political systems resulting in pockets of surviving groups based around a residual culture

At worst the Western, Christian culture will be over-run

If you in the USA think that you are immune from the catastrophe that is befalling Europe, I would suggest you look to history - it is littered with smug and failed empires

If I had any sense I'd leave the UK and accept the economic cost of moving

Business has taught me that, in a failing market, your first loss is your least loss

If I had the courage I'd take that loss and move

I have a US passport (thanks to a first marriage) - however, at 68 years old I'd not have the income and residual assets to prosper

I'm also reminded of many of my family and friends, when faced with a similar conundrum - first in Zambia, then Rhodesia and finally SA - was to ''keep moving South''

The west is in trouble - ''moving South'' is not a cure - merely an expensive postponement of the inevitable

Part of me feels like the German Jew of 43 - who knows that they should get out - but just hopes that all will be well

Although both the US and the EU have battled with insufficient birth rates for some time and both regions have resulted into allowing or even promoting mass immigration to counter the mathematics, as @Red Leg put it. The main difference between both regions is the source of the bulk of these immigrants. At least Latin America is mostly devout Christian and many become hard working contributors to society.

Your last paragraph very much captures the feelings my wife and I are having for months now.
 
I’ve put my case as clearly as I can

To comment further would risk the police at the door

Besides

Over half the population here are content with the direction of travel
Unfortunately, you are correct about the police. When they are meeting passengers getting off the plane at Heathrow to arrest them for Facebook posts and walking into a women's house while naked in the tub to arrest her too. I am afraid your country is lost. I just hope that I never get arrested getting off the plane a Heathrow.
 
Although both the US and the EU have battled with insufficient birth rates for some time and both regions have resulted into allowing or even promoting mass immigration to counter the mathematics, as @Red Leg put it. The main difference between both regions is the source of the bulk of these immigrants. At least Latin America is mostly devout Christian and many become hard working contributors to society.

Your last paragraph very much captures the feelings my wife and I are having for months now.
Unfortunately, the priests in those countries preach "liberation theology." Not exactly the same a Western Christianity.
 
Unfortunately, the priests in those countries preach "liberation theology." Not exactly the same a Western Christianity.
I think I’ll take that over Islam fundamentalism
 
Unfortunately, the priests in those countries preach "liberation theology." Not exactly the same a Western Christianity.
Jesus is a complicated figure. But I think it is fair to say he sought significant social change.
 
Jesus is a complicated figure. But I think it is fair to say he sought significant social change.
I don't recall reading that Jesus was a marxist or promoted class warfare.
 
Canada is closer to the UK in total collapse of identity than you think. Canada is reporting only 500,000 immigrants in 2024 however there are probably 2,000,000 that are here illegally and most from India and Pakistan. They are on a slow roll revolution, that is enabled by the leftist bleeding heart governments. They will take over the world and no one will be able to stop it.
 
There was a video showing how the Muslims would take over the world without a single shot fired. Basically by taking over the population with their birth rate. Western world is falling behind. It showed the current birth rate in Europe and the average Muslim birth rate and it was like 3-1. I’ve looked for the video and couldn’t find.
 
This is not the one, but very similar.

 
I don't recall reading that Jesus was a marxist or promoted class warfare.
Not all liberation theology does that either.

He certainly called us to do better by the poor and downtrodden. He was surely no great fan of the rich or the ruling classes.
 
Canada is closer to the UK in total collapse of identity than you think. Canada is reporting only 500,000 immigrants in 2024 however there are probably 2,000,000 that are here illegally and most from India and Pakistan. They are on a slow roll revolution, that is enabled by the leftist bleeding heart governments. They will take over the world and no one will be able to stop it.
You think Canada has two million illegal immigrants here from India and Pakistan?

That would be a surprise.
 

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