Meat Eater - Steve Rinella in Africa

[Philip Glass]

Public FEDERAL lands no less. Why does a WY or MT resident get special access to MY federal resource I pay for and cannot utilize. If it’s State land in their States I should shut up and take what comes my way as a non-resident.

Totally agree!

 

[Philip Glass]

That is not correct. Saying you do not want a public resource (game animals) exploited for the sake of pure monetary gain does not make you a socialist.

this is essentially a new form of market hunting. The Tragedy of the Commons is heavily at work here. Prudence is not.

I would be happy to forward you his phone number. He would be more than glad to have you on the podcast where you and he can hash it out. He’s always looking for guests.

Yesterday I went through the painful process of listening to many of Matt's podcasts. I wanted to further educate myself since I am being challenged here. Here is a synopsis so everyone can judge him themselves:
1. He lives in Montana and works for the government. He only hunts public land solo and criticizes anyone else hunting any other way. And I mean ANY OTHER WAY!
2. He just went to Africa for the first time. Where did he go? Wait for it..... Kenya! The one place where hunting is banned. And he comes back stating that Kenya is the model for wildlife conservation and commercial Hunting in Africa is not needed. Wow is he ignorant of anything and everything outside of his state. Truth is Kenya lost 90% of their wildlife after the ban. Sure the parks are great but that's it.
3. He is a pure Socialist and leans Communist. A previous podcast had him criticizing Mossy Oak and Sitka for having Hunting real estate companies as sponsors. He believes that all land should be sold to the government for public access! He is against free trade of property and went on for an hour about it!
4. He believes that all farmers and ranchers that accept any federal money should be forced to allow any Tom, Dick, and Harry to hunt their land at will. He is sinfully jealous of private landowners and want them gone or at least have all their rights taken away. He drones on with his slightly more educated sidekick for hours about these things. It's painful!

As a Texas landowner, Constitutional Conservative, hunter, lover of African hunting, I must state that Matt Rinella is the enemy.

Regards,
Philip

PS. He would never have me on his podcast.

 

[baxterb]

Yesterday I went through the painful process of listening to many of Matt's podcasts. I wanted to further educate myself since I am being challenged here. Here is a synopsis so everyone can judge him themselves:
1. He lives in Montana and works for the government. He only hunts public land solo and criticizes anyone else hunting any other way. And I mean ANY OTHER WAY!
2. He just went to Africa for the first time. Where did he go? Wait for it..... Kenya! The one place where hunting is banned. And he comes back stating that Kenya is the model for wildlife conservation and commercial Hunting in Africa is not needed. Wow is he ignorant of anything and everything outside of his state. Truth is Kenya lost 90% of their wildlife after the ban. Sure the parks are great but that's it.
3. He is a pure Socialist and leans Communist. A previous podcast had him criticizing Mossy Oak and Sitka for having Hunting real estate companies as sponsors. He believes that all land should be sold to the government for public access! He is against free trade of property and went on for an hour about it!
4. He believes that all farmers and ranchers that accept any federal money should be forced to allow any Tom, Dick, and Harry to hunt their land at will. He is sinfully jealous of private landowners and want them gone or at least have all their rights taken away. He drones on with his slightly more educated sidekick for hours about these things. It's painful!

As a Texas landowner, Constitutional Conservative, hunter, lover of African hunting, I must state that Matt Rinella is the enemy.

Regards,
Philip

PS. He would never have me on his podcast.

Yes he will. All you have to do is ask.

I never said I agreed with him 100% on every issue. He is woefully wrong about his impression of Kenya and other things.

 

[txtrout75218]

When I was younger, I was against the aspects of hunting Africa. Then I took the time to understand the model, how game replaced cattle, how the process supports conservation and supplies needed jobs.

Ignorance is a great enemy.

I live in Texas, my chances of ever getting a big game tag in the Western USA is about zero. It's cheaper for my daughter and I to go to Africa for a week of hunting than in NM/WY/MT is a no brainer. My daughter can't wait to go back to RSA and now wants to try stalking here in the US. What more could I hope for for her generation to push back against the anti-hunters?

 

[mark-hunter]

Shawn Ryan show, with Steve Rinella.
Just over 2 hours. Interesting conversation.

 

[Garciamarquez1918]

Yesterday I went through the painful process of listening to many of Matt's podcasts. I wanted to further educate myself since I am being challenged here. Here is a synopsis so everyone can judge him themselves:
1. He lives in Montana and works for the government. He only hunts public land solo and criticizes anyone else hunting any other way. And I mean ANY OTHER WAY!
2. He just went to Africa for the first time. Where did he go? Wait for it..... Kenya! The one place where hunting is banned. And he comes back stating that Kenya is the model for wildlife conservation and commercial Hunting in Africa is not needed. Wow is he ignorant of anything and everything outside of his state. Truth is Kenya lost 90% of their wildlife after the ban. Sure the parks are great but that's it.
3. He is a pure Socialist and leans Communist. A previous podcast had him criticizing Mossy Oak and Sitka for having Hunting real estate companies as sponsors. He believes that all land should be sold to the government for public access! He is against free trade of property and went on for an hour about it!
4. He believes that all farmers and ranchers that accept any federal money should be forced to allow any Tom, Dick, and Harry to hunt their land at will. He is sinfully jealous of private landowners and want them gone or at least have all their rights taken away. He drones on with his slightly more educated sidekick for hours about these things. It's painful!

As a Texas landowner, Constitutional Conservative, hunter, lover of African hunting, I must state that Matt Rinella is the enemy.

Regards,
Philip

PS. He would never have me on his podcast.

Maybe I'm missing something here -- like maybe Rinella went on a photo safari in Kenya before his hunting safari and I don't know about this. But the podcast he did from Montana with Roger Hurt and Morgan Potter were about hunting and conservation in Tanzania. The ones he from East Africa were done from western Tanzania where he was hunting with Morgan Potter. The upcoming episodes of the TV show were filmed on this hunt.

Riffing off of this, if you want to hear a scathing comparison of Tanzania versus Kenya check out the Blood Origins/Origins Podcast with Zidane Janbeck

 

[dchum]

Maybe I'm missing something here -- like maybe Rinella went on a photo safari in Kenya before his hunting safari and I don't know about this. But the podcasts he did in Montana with Roger Hurt and Morgan Potter were about hunting and conservation in Tanzania. The ones he from East Africa were done from western Tanzania where he was hunting with Morgan Potter. The upcoming episodes of the TV show were filmed on this hunt.

Riffing off of this, if you want to hear a scathing comparison of Tanzania versus Kenya track down the Origins/Blood Origins podcast with Zidane Janbeck.

Thing is there is two Rinellas. I think yall are talking about tow different brothers.

@Philip Glass seems to be speaking about MATT Rinella. (Steve’s older brother).

Steve did in fact visit KENYA before his hunt and he also did photographic safari in TANZANIA at Ngorongoro Crater. This was before his hunt. He was in Africa almost a month. (Kenya and TZ - photographic and hunting). STEVE Rinella did all the things.

I don’t see anything wrong with that - I’m excited for the hunting episodes to come out. I Belive they hunted in the “Luganzo” game reserve in like you said, western TZ.

Best

 

[Garciamarquez1918]

Thing is there is two Rinellas. I think yall are talking about tow different brothers.

@Philip Glass seems to be speaking about MATT Rinella. (Steve’s older brother).

Steve did in fact visit KENYA before his hunt and he also did photographic safari in TANZANIA at Ngorongoro Crater. This was before his hunt. He was in Africa almost a month. (Kenya and TZ - photographic and hunting). STEVE Rinella did all the things.

I don’t see anything wrong with that - I’m excited for the hunting episodes to come out. I Belive they hunted in the “Luganzo” game reserve in like you said, western TZ.

Best

Ahhhh ok. That explains the confusion.

Yes Steve hunted in Luganzo with Morgan Potter of Robin Hurt Safaris.

 

[baxterb]

Thing is there is two Rinellas. I think yall are talking about tow different brothers.

@Philip Glass seems to be speaking about MATT Rinella. (Steve’s older brother).

Steve did in fact visit KENYA before his hunt and he also did photographic safari in TANZANIA at Ngorongoro Crater. This was before his hunt. He was in Africa almost a month. (Kenya and TZ - photographic and hunting). STEVE Rinella did all the things.

I don’t see anything wrong with that - I’m excited for the hunting episodes to come out. I Belive they hunted in the “Luganzo” game reserve in like you said, western TZ.

Best

When did Steve go to Kenya? My understanding is he was on a TZ photo safari before the hunting one. It sounded like he knows less than zero when it came to Kenya.

Matt went to Kenya and his response to it was pretty negative. I think largely because his wife dragged him along.

 

[Philip Glass]

Maybe I'm missing something here -- like maybe Rinella went on a photo safari in Kenya before his hunting safari and I don't know about this. But the podcast he did from Montana with Roger Hurt and Morgan Potter were about hunting and conservation in Tanzania. The ones he from East Africa were done from western Tanzania where he was hunting with Morgan Potter. The upcoming episodes of the TV show were filmed on this hunt.

Riffing off of this, if you want to hear a scathing comparison of Tanzania versus Kenya check out the Blood Origins/Origins Podcast with Zidane Janbeck

I was speaking of Matt Rinella not Steve.

 

[375Fox]

First episode of show is out on YouTube. Regardless of some stupid comments on this thread I think it’s a really good thing for African hunting. It’ll be interesting to see how many views it gets. He addresses some of his earlier negative misconceptions in the first few minutes.

 

[Hunt anything]

I watched it on the outdoor channel, it was well done and I personally had no problem with it.
He definitely made the point of how sport hunting protects areas and brings employment and benefits the hunting areas and the animals.

 

[jshmt13]

Yesterday I went through the painful process of listening to many of Matt's podcasts. I wanted to further educate myself since I am being challenged here. Here is a synopsis so everyone can judge him themselves:
1. He lives in Montana and works for the government. He only hunts public land solo and criticizes anyone else hunting any other way. And I mean ANY OTHER WAY!
2. He just went to Africa for the first time. Where did he go? Wait for it..... Kenya! The one place where hunting is banned. And he comes back stating that Kenya is the model for wildlife conservation and commercial Hunting in Africa is not needed. Wow is he ignorant of anything and everything outside of his state. Truth is Kenya lost 90% of their wildlife after the ban. Sure the parks are great but that's it.
3. He is a pure Socialist and leans Communist. A previous podcast had him criticizing Mossy Oak and Sitka for having Hunting real estate companies as sponsors. He believes that all land should be sold to the government for public access! He is against free trade of property and went on for an hour about it!
4. He believes that all farmers and ranchers that accept any federal money should be forced to allow any Tom, Dick, and Harry to hunt their land at will. He is sinfully jealous of private landowners and want them gone or at least have all their rights taken away. He drones on with his slightly more educated sidekick for hours about these things. It's painful!

As a Texas landowner, Constitutional Conservative, hunter, lover of African hunting, I must state that Matt Rinella is the enemy.

Regards,
Philip

PS. He would never have me on his podcast.

This is the kind of rhetoric I can’t stand from either side of the political spectrum. Anyone who has different viewpoints is automatically the worst of the worst. Calling Matt Rinella a “pure socialist” and the “enemy” is just ignorant. He can’t just be a guy who has different views on hunting than you. I appreciate Matt’s opinion on how social media has affected public land hunting in the western United States. I also hope to hunt Africa someday. I’m perfectly fine agreeing on some things and not on others, it doesn’t make him my “enemy”

Nuance seems to be dying, especially in online discourse.

 

[jshmt13]

Public FEDERAL lands no less. Why does a WY or MT resident get special access to MY federal resource I pay for and cannot utilize. If it’s State land in their States I should shut up and take what comes my way as a non-resident.

You have just as much access to the federal resource (the land) as any other citizen of the country.

You are also free to move to those states if access to the state resource (the wildlife) is important to you. Great thing about a free country.

 

[rookhawk]

You have just as much access to the federal resource (the land) as any other citizen of the country.

You are also free to move to those states if access to the state resource (the wildlife) is important to you. Great thing about a free country.

You’re incorrect in a material way. Federal lands are paid for via federal income taxes and excise taxes. (by me and you) However, the State resident of say, Montana, has advantageous access and use to Federal resources. They get shall-issue tags, I get a lottery that takes years. They get to hunt by themselves above certain altitudes, I’m required to hire a guide.

It’s theft to be blunt. I hope you can understand the difference and nuance between a State resident having preferential treatment to State resources, rather than Federal lands/resources?

 

[jshmt13]

You’re incorrect in a material way. Federal lands are paid for via federal income taxes and excise taxes. (by me and you) However, the State resident of say, Montana, has advantageous access and use to Federal resources. They get shall-issue tags, I get a lottery that takes years. They get to hunt by themselves above certain altitudes, I’m required to hire a guide.

It’s theft to be blunt. I hope you can understand the difference and nuance between a State resident having preferential treatment to State resources, rather than Federal lands/resources?

I’m still not quite following you. I fail to see how I as a resident of Montana have advantageous access and use of federal resources. You are able to climb every mountain on federal ground, visit our national parks, camp at our federal campgrounds, just like I can go to a state like Alaska and do the same. You can’t conflate hunting as the only use of those federal resources.

Yes your tax dollars are used to help habitat on federal ground that benefits wildlife that you then have a harder time getting access to, but frankly in most western states, that wildlife would not exist without the local private ground providing critical habitat as well. It’s very easy to reconcile in my head, for example “residents of Wyoming provide critical habitat to elk. They have decided they want to limit nonresident hunters. If I want those same benefits, I could move there, otherwise I will exercise my right as an American citizen to camp and hike and birdwatch in the Wind River range all I want, without consuming the state resources of wildlife”

 

[Wiley64]

It will be good for African hunting. I support people exposing the sport to new eyes. It will have no effect on the prices or access in my opinion.

 

[Altitude sickness]

You have just as much access to the federal resource (the land) as any other citizen of the country.

You are also free to move to those states if access to the state resource (the wildlife) is important to you. Great thing about a free country.

The primary beef many have with Wyoming is the state law that requires a NR to hire a guide to hunt in a Wyoming wilderness area.

The reason given is the wilderness to big and scary for a NR to be alone. And the state will be constantly rescuing them from ineptitude. The costs and time is too restrictive for that.

Colorado and other states charge a small search and rescue fee for us inept hunters.

Somehow some of us can be dropped for 2 weeks 100 miles from anything inside of Alaska without killing ourselves. But a relatively small Wyoming wilderness area is far too dangerous for greenhorns.

I sure don’t blame residents for wanting to keep NR’s out of their hunting spots. It’s a natural feeling to want it all to yourself as a hunter. There is a real crowding issue.

Residents do have and should have certain privileges that NRs do not. That is normal and fair. But the wilderness law is an overreaction.

 

[rookhawk]

I’m still not quite following you. I fail to see how I as a resident of Montana have advantageous access and use of federal resources. You are able to climb every mountain on federal ground, visit our national parks, camp at our federal campgrounds, just like I can go to a state like Alaska and do the same. You can’t conflate hunting as the only use of those federal resources.

Yes your tax dollars are used to help habitat on federal ground that benefits wildlife that you then have a harder time getting access to, but frankly in most western states, that wildlife would not exist without the local private ground providing critical habitat as well. It’s very easy to reconcile in my head, for example “residents of Wyoming provide critical habitat to elk. They have decided they want to limit nonresident hunters. If I want those same benefits, I could move there, otherwise I will exercise my right as an American citizen to camp and hike and birdwatch in the Wind River range all I want, without consuming the state resources of wildlife”

In the example, 29% of Montana is Federal land and 5% is State land, the rest is private. (ChatGPT was the source) We’ll just never agree that a citizen of a State should get preferential treatment when the Feds provide the super majority of the lands funded by other State’s citizens money. We’ll doubly disagree when you think we’re equal but you get the consumptive use and I get the bill.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

This is the kind of rhetoric I can’t stand from either side of the political spectrum. Anyone who has different viewpoints is automatically the worst of the worst. Calling Matt Rinella a “pure socialist” and the “enemy” is just ignorant. He can’t just be a guy who has different views on hunting than you. I appreciate Matt’s opinion on how social media has affected public land hunting in the western United States. I also hope to hunt Africa someday. I’m perfectly fine agreeing on some things and not on others, it doesn’t make him my “enemy”

Nuance seems to be dying, especially in online discourse.

My main issue with Matt is his page is fuel for anti-hunters, and he seems to be of the opinion that anyone other than him who hunts is an inconvenience for his personal hunting and shouldn’t exist.