Meat Eater - Steve Rinella in Africa

[jshmt13]

Residents do have and should have certain privileges that NRs do not. That is normal and fair. But the wilderness law is an overreaction.

I agree, I’d prefer the law didn’t exist but it seems that law is due more to lobbying from guide groups to bring extra revenue than some nanny state idea that non Wyomingites are weaker people. Even in your example, Alaska requires a guide for bear, goat and sheep if you’re a non resident. I could always move there if it mattered enough to me.

In the example, 29% of Montana is Federal land and 5% is State land, the rest is private. (ChatGPT was the source) We’ll just never agree that a citizen of a State should get preferential treatment when the Feds provide the super majority of the lands funded by other State’s citizens money. We’ll doubly disagree when you think we’re equal but you get the consumptive use and I get the bill.

Again, you’ve just pointed out that private land is 66%, the actual super majority of the land. There are hard working citizens who provide habitat in every state and I think local citizens have a larger say in their wildlife management. That’s how the North American Model of conservation works. Public lands are probably the best deal any of us are going to get. I make enough to live a more comfortable life than the majority of the world, and I get access to millions of acres to recreate?

My main issue with Matt is his page is fuel for anti-hunters, and he seems to be of the opinion that anyone other than him who hunts is an inconvenience for his personal hunting and shouldn’t exist.

I agree he come off as abrasive. But sometimes that’s needed. I’m more of the opinion that the folks he’s criticizing who post 1000yd shots at elk, or who treat hunting like some d*** measuring contest by posting dead animals every chance they get, are giving more fuel to the antis than him telling them to shut up. We are to the point where there seems to be a whole host of folks who get social media dumb and post stuff that makes all hunters look bad just because it’s now their “job” or they’re chasing fame. Hunter recruitment isn’t worth it in my opinion.

 

[mdwest]

Just watched the Meateater episode from start to finish…

Whether you’re a fan or not of the series, or Steve Rinella, if you take the first Tanzania episode and allow it to stand on its own merit, there’s no denying that it is well executed, places no negative spin or context on hunting in Africa, and is overall professionally presented. If you don’t attempt to nit pick, all the information presented is factually correct, and hunting in Tanzania is painted in a positive light..

It certainly won’t do harm to the sport..

 

[MauserDuff]

In the example, 29% of Montana is Federal land and 5% is State land, the rest is private. (ChatGPT was the source) We’ll just never agree that a citizen of a State should get preferential treatment when the Feds provide the super majority of the lands funded by other State’s citizens money. We’ll doubly disagree when you think we’re equal but you get the consumptive use and I get the bill.

Wildlife is the property of the State, and is managed by the State. In general, the Feds have nothing to do with hunting licenses outside of Alaska, where Federal subsistence use permits are managed by the Feds (a product of the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA)). Anyone can hunt on Federal land (if hunting is allowed), but they usually have to have a State license.

 

[Hunt anything]

Wildlife is the property of the State, and is managed by the State. In general, the Feds have nothing to do with hunting licenses outside of Alaska, where Federal subsistence use permits are managed by the Feds (a product of the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA)). Anyone can hunt on Federal land (if hunting is allowed), but they usually have to have a State license.

A couple of exceptions, the federal govt has the migratory bird stamp to hunt most migratory birds with doves, woodcock, snipe and rails being the exception I can think of. Which never made sense to me, lower the duck stamp price but require all migratory bird hunters to buy one not just waterfowl hunters.
Also one of the Dakotas used to limit the number of non-resident waterfowl licenses issued. Not certain if they still do or not.

 

[baxterb]

Just watched the Meateater episode from start to finish…

Whether you’re a fan or not of the series, or Steve Rinella, if you take the first Tanzania episode and allow it to stand on its own merit, there’s no denying that it is well executed, places no negative spin or context on hunting in Africa, and is overall professionally presented. If you don’t attempt to nit pick, all the information presented is factually correct, and hunting in Tanzania is painted in a positive light..

It certainly won’t do harm to the sport..

I agree. It was a good episode overall. It still rankles a bit that he used to so freely criticize people for seeing an animal for the first time and shooting it (which is precisely what he did on that roan), but it was a good show and Morgan was a great PH to have on the show. Look forward to the next ones.

 

[mdwest]

Wildlife is the property of the State, and is managed by the State.

That is the center of the bone of contention I think..

If federal land is funded by federal dollars and the game on that federal land is managed by federal dollars, then why is that game the property of the state? Or why are non state residents tax dollars being used to manage that land and that wildlife?

For me personally, there’s little to no quarrel… I am fortunate in that I have a lot of hunting opportunity in my home state, and I prefer to hunt abroad over most hunting opportunities out of state (although every few years I’ll chase something like elk in Idaho, ducks in Arkansas, etc… generally speaking I hunt at least once, sometimes 2-3 times internationally every year)… and I easily spend 30+ days hunting in Texas every year… so I get my fill without needing to head out of state much for hunts…

But I do understand the aggravation of say a guy living in Mississippi that would really like to hunt a big chunk of federal land in Wyoming, but has to wait several years to accumulate enough points to do so, and then spend a ton on tags, license, and guide… to hunt federally funded land.. when the Wyoming resident doesn’t have the same restrictions…

That said… it seems every state has its own challenges… good luck finding public land in Texas worth hunting whether it’s state or federal land… doesn’t matter if you’re a resident or not…

 

[mdwest]

It still rankles a bit that he used to so freely criticize people for seeing an animal for the first time and shooting it (which is precisely what he did on that roan)

Yeah, that’s a bit hypocritical…

I’ve actually seen him do that several times on other episodes in different parts of the world… he did a show in Brazil, one in Guyana, and has done shows in other countries where he had never seen a particular species before, and he takes it… not sure why Africa would be any different…

And if we’re honest with ourselves, pretty much every avid hunter, to include guys that never leave their home state to hunt, have likely done the same thing… I’m going to guess there are a ton of “city boys” that grew up in major metro areas that never saw a deer in the wild before they were given an opportunity to shoot one… should we deny city people the right to hunt just because they have never seen a turkey in the wild or a pig in the wild before hitting the woods for the first time? Or should we limit them to just being allowed to hunt pigeons, feral cats, and sewer rats? lol…

Everyone has to start somewhere… the first time any non African hunts and African country it is going to be extremely likely they have never seen the species they are hunting before except maybe in a zoo..

That’s kind of a ridiculous position to take if Rinella has actually said that before…

 

[DieJager]

It was a good episode, also good information for the people that watch hi as show and have/had the same prejudices as him about hunting Africa. Also a great Roan he took.

 

[Hunt anything]

One thing Renella did that impressed me somewhat was his ability to cycle that right handed rifle while shooting it left handed. He was really smooth.

There used to be a guy on TV that was left handed and every time he tried to cycle the bolt he short stroked it terribly, and was always having to clear the rifle . If you can afford to have a TV show you can afford a left handed rifle. IMO.

 

[dchum]

One thing Renella did that impressed me somewhat was his ability to cycle that right handed rifle while shooting it left handed. He was really smooth.

There used to be a guy on TV that was left handed and every time he tried to cycle the bolt he short stroked it terribly, and was always having to clear the rifle . If you can afford to have a TV show you can afford a left handed rifle. IMO.

He shoots a buffalo with a rental rifle - blasphemy to many on here…

You should hear the podcast episode with the meateater crew talking about the .375 h&h likes it some artillery weapon haha.

I loved the episode and can’t wait for the next one! It was so well done.

My main take away is that I thought Luganzo was all swamp. It has more terrain and escarpments / elevation changes then I had thought

 

[Hunt anything]

@dchum, I should’ve clarified. I knew Renella was shooting a rented rifle and that was part of what impressed me.
The guy I was referring to was pretty much an Africa exclusive show except a few western US hunts. He always had the same rifle, maybe it was a rental but he talked like it was his personal rifle. I haven’t seen him in years and can’t remember his name but the way he talked he definitely wasn’t from the southern US.

 

[dchum]

@dchum, I should’ve clarified. I knew Renella was shooting a rented rifle and that was part of what impressed me.
The guy I was referring to was pretty much an Africa exclusive show except a few western US hunts. He always had the same rifle, maybe it was a rental but he talked like it was his personal rifle. I haven’t seen him in years and can’t remember his name but the way he talked he definitely wasn’t from the southern US.

Oh I was just adding on to your comment!

Cheers!

 

[BRICKBURN]

Just watched the Meateater episode from start to finish…

Whether you’re a fan or not of the series, or Steve Rinella, if you take the first Tanzania episode and allow it to stand on its own merit, there’s no denying that it is well executed, places no negative spin or context on hunting in Africa, and is overall professionally presented. If you don’t attempt to nit pick, all the information presented is factually correct, and hunting in Tanzania is painted in a positive light..

It certainly won’t do harm to the sport..

Spot on.

I just watched an (or the 1st) episode where he described himself as having been closed minded and ill informed regarding Africa and hunting the great continent.
Nice to see someone else's eyes open. I remember having to get my own mind around some different hunting practices and beliefs. Everyone will learn in their own time.

 

[mdwest]

@dchum, I should’ve clarified. I knew Renella was shooting a rented rifle and that was part of what impressed me.

I found the optic on the rented rifle pretty interesting.. best I can tell thats a Sig Whiskey6 3-18x44.. not a bad optic all things considered.. but not what I would have expected to see on a 375 H&H.. and definitely not what I'd expect to see on a rifle in Tanzania..

clearly the rifle/optic combo worked great on the roan.. I'll be curious to see how things work out on the buffalo he is chasing in future episodes..

 

[baxterb]

I found the optic on the rented rifle pretty interesting.. best I can tell thats a Sig Whiskey6 3-18x44.. not a bad optic all things considered.. but not what I would have expected to see on a 375 H&H.. and definitely not what I'd expect to see on a rifle in Tanzania..

clearly the rifle/optic combo worked great on the roan.. I'll be curious to see how things work out on the buffalo he is chasing in future episodes..

I would bet $100 that Steve brought that scope over for the hunt for product placement. They have started using a lot of Sig binos and scopes.

 

[Hunt anything]

Is Sig a sponsor? I know it used to be Vortex, the sponsorship can be tricky at times. Back when I was playing college sports Nike was our shoe sponsor and if you had to get an ankle taped the training staff had to draw a Nike swoop over the tape to satisfy them.

 

[Hunt anything]

I would bet $100 that Steve brought that scope over for the hunt for product placement. They have started using a lot of Sig binos and scopes.

You beat me to it, damn my poor typing skills.

 

[Flbt]

I just watched it. It was good.
I like his push to eat or at least try nearly everything they hunt.
I still don’t think I am trying coyote or monkey though.
I like what he has done for some local family’s with sick children.

But really I still see his change stance as a money Decision.
New sponsor new company’s to advertise and new viewers.

 

[J.Ogilvie]

That last video you posted I watched this morning and it is very awesome.

I’m glad Steve Rinella finally made the trip. I not a huge huge fan and he has made negative comments on hunting Africa before. He admitted his negative comments and ate his words and now shot a buffalo. Good for him and good for Africa I think.

A lot can be said for His PH who made him come see what Africa is all about and book the trip. They met in the US prior.

A lot of it really is just misconceptions caused by the popular press (e.g. the meat is wasted, the animals are kept in tiny enclosures, it's easy, etc.) The best way to fix this is first-hand experience.

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain