.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[grand veneur]

Interestingly, for several centuries it also applied to the African elephant - at least those subspecies that could be captured and trained by the Carthaginians. Hannibal used them with limited effectiveness against Rome during the Punic Wars. In 218 he famously marched his war elephants over the Alps into Northern Italy.

Thats right, that was another breed of elephant that was somewhat more related to the Asian one and has since become extinct. They had nothing in common with our savanna elephant.

 

[Red Leg]

Thats right, that was another breed of elephant that was somewhat more related to the Asian one and has since become extinct. They had nothing in common with our savanna elephant.

I am unaware of any evidence that they were related to the Indian sub-species. The general consensus seems to be that they were a northern subspecies of the forest elephant that subsequently became extinct. However, there is also evidence that the Carthaginians traded for "Nubian" elephants of which Hannibal's massive Sura may have been an example.

Up until 2017 when the government banned the practice, one could take a vacation in the Okavango from Abu Camp in Botswana and shoot pictures from the back of an African elephant.

 

[grand veneur]

We digress from the original topic, but it is also an interesting topic.

The origin of the extinct North African Elephant breed is controversially discussed in specialist circles. Some try to assign him to a forest elephant sub-species, but others have a different opinion. The species seems to have also existed in the Middle East, the Egyptian pharaohs and later the Assyrian Kings hunted elephants in Syria, and which elephants the Parthians used is also not clear. We are in Persia not that far away from India.

 

[Sarg]

I am unaware of any evidence that they were related to the Indian sub-species. The general consensus seems to be that they were a northern subspecies of the forest elephant that subsequently became extinct. However, there is also evidence that the Carthaginians traded for "Nubian" elephants of which Hannibal's massive Sura may have been an example.

Up until 2017 when the government banned the practice, one could take a vacation in the Okavango from Abu Camp in Botswana and shoot pictures from the back of an African elephant.


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How is this possible, the voted most dangerous of DG, Elephant with calf afoot being ridden, quieter then a farmed Friesian or Jersey Cow !

Thank you for your post on Hannibal’s Elephants, I was unaware they were of a African subspecies.

If you look hard at true Forest Elephants they certainly have a very different appearance to Bush/Plains Elephants & from what I know are even less tolerant of humans?

 

[Dhutson]

What was Mark Sullivan shooting when he had all those buffs charging him?

 

[mark-hunter]

Some camera, I suppose? To record every detail?

 

[grand veneur]

What was Mark Sullivan shooting when he had all those buffs charging him?

If it concerns the rifles used,

...Mark Sullivan has used several double rifles of different calibers in his life. As far as I know caliber 450 Nitro Express, 470 Nitro Express, 475 N°2 Jeffery and in his early videos where he stops buffalo charges, he used a double rifle caliber 500 Nitro Express from John Wilkes. After that above all double rifles caliber 577 Nitro Express.

 

[mark-hunter]

Aaa... rifles?
Why dont you say so?

Here is the breakdown:

 

[Dhutson]

If it concerns the rifles used,

...Mark Sullivan has used several double rifles of different calibers in his life. As far as I know caliber 450 Nitro Express, 470 Nitro Express, 475 N°2 Jeffery and in his early videos where he stops buffalo charges, he used a double rifle caliber 500 Nitro Express from John Wilkes. After that above all double rifles caliber 577 Nitro Express.

The point is that the issue isn't the rifle. The bulls charged after being shot with bigger rifles not just the .375. Good bullet and good shot placement are what works not the size of the rifle.

 

[BFaucett]

Bob F.

 

[BlackRhino]

Many rave about the .450/.400 Nitro for buffaloes. I am wondering whether there is a big difference in the field performance compared to the .375 H&H.

.375 H&H Magnum

26" barrel Hogdon Manual 1990 6th edition
350 grains
2460 ft/sec
4700 ft-lb
46 Taylor Knock Out Value

.450/.400 Nitro
probably 24" barrel
400 grains
2150 ft/sec
4010 ft-lbd
48.6 Taylör Knock Out Value

To me these data look very similar. Is trhe .375 really tackes the back seat?

 

[BlackRhino]

Should read: Is the .375 really taking the back seat?

 

[farmer_john]

Buffalo is without a doubt the large-bodied animal I've hunted the most. I'm very close to 300 (both as a hunter and as a guide), 80% of which are huge water buffalo! And I'm going to say something controversial here, but anyone who knows buffalo in all its might will understand what I'm saying: The .375 caliber should not be used for buffalo hunting! Okay, now you can criticize!

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What knife is that?

 

[farmer_john]

It's not enough for buffaloes! That's what I meant! Note that I didn't say it doesn't kill, I said it's insufficient most of the time! This gives buffaloes the opportunity to kill hunters, guides, and trackers! Yes, I know it's the most used, not for its efficiency, but for its comfortable recoil... that's why I gave this warning!

Arguably a firearm that is more comfortable to shoot. Is more likely to be shot.

More trigger time = better accuracy. While i dont have any experience shooting african game. In my lifetime of shooting ive found. Where the hole goes is alot more important than how big the hole is.

 

[grand veneur]

Arguably a firearm that is more comfortable to shoot. Is more likely to be shot.

More trigger time = better accuracy. While i dont have any experience shooting african game. In my lifetime of shooting ive found. Where the hole goes is a lot more important than how big the hole is.

Absolutely true, but if these well-placed holes are bigger, the wound channel is even greater and accordingly, bigger calibers make the difference. An endless discussion and absolutely senseless trying to convince the smaller caliber faction.

 

[farmer_john]

Absolutely true, but if these well-placed holes are bigger, the wound channel is even greater and accordingly, bigger calibers make the difference. An endless discussion and absolutely senseless trying to convince the smaller caliber faction.

Wound channel is irrelevent if i put it in somethings heart or brain.
Wound channel makes tracking a bad shot easier. Only way things die faster is if you put the hole in something critical. Everything else is kind of irrelevant.

 

[grand veneur]

Wound channel is irrelevent if i put it in somethings heart or brain.
Wound channel makes tracking a bad shot easier. Only way things die faster is if you put the hole in something critical. Everything else is kind of irrelevant.

Confirms what I wrote in post #455.

 

[medvedhunting]

Click bait - thought this site was better than that - Doctari culled 650 Buff with 9.3x62- so QED - as said thought this site was better than allowing clickbait ! Clearly not !

his rifle did, not him. and my years while in CAR i never seen a difference with the 375 and 9.3 thus i kept the 9.3.