Mark Sullivan the Expose’

Okay. Maybe too many syllables for you? I'll simplify. Sullivan = influencer = his videos do not interest me. I have tripped on them a couple of times. Finished one and that was enough. He's not the only one. Generally I find online outdoors influencers phony and obnoxious. Like old days used car salesmen. Or gals peddling real estate (Ugh! Well, maybe not THAT phony). :D Influencer videos are typically staged and fakey.
@Ontario Hunter - maybe Mark Sullivan gets the Attention You crave? He doesn’t “post” about what a great shot he is —- he videos it !
 
With all due respect to you @Hunter-Habib and Mark, I believe in putting a wounded animal out of its misery as soon as possible. I would not advocate getting closer than necessary or waiting longer than necessary to finish the animal just so I can provoke a charge and shoot it during a charge to get an adrenaline rush at the animal’s expense. Getting charged comes with the job but shouldn’t be the goal.

Mark admits to purposefully walking up on wounded animals to facilitate a charge instead of immediately putting them down. He also puts himself in the best position when hunting hippos on land and sometimes shoots the hippo when it charges while the client is off to the side at a less desirable angle. Mark has undoubtedly hunted hippos and other dangerous game on his own without clients. If he wants to hunt hippo in that manner, that’s great and I enjoy it as well but I’m not going to pay anyone else to be in the best position and shoot my game for me. To each his own.
@Scott CWO

When most of the fellow hunters criticizing Mark talk about the videos where he deliberately delays in giving the killing shot, most of the videos they refer to… are invariably his really early works in the early ‘90s or so (as can be seen by the fact that Mark was still growing a beard or wearing sleeveless shirts in most of those videos).

I think that you’ll be quite hard pressed to to find a recent video of Mark NOT swiftly dispatching the game animal (and by “Recent”, I refer to anything after 2005). In our early years (and I’m sure that this applies to everybody who is a member of these forums), we often don’t develop sporting ethics the way that they dawn upon us in later life. Speaking for myself, early in my hunting life…I had a very bad (and egotistical) habit. I was determined to fell all of my game with a single shot. This sort of arrogance often proved disastrous for many of my Safaris and more often than not… my white hunters and trackers had to face extreme difficulties for my stubbornness. I really did make for a horrible client in those early years. But then, I got older. And it dawned upon me that humanely dispatching an animal with as many shots as is necessary, should taken a higher priority that attempting to pull off “One-Shot” stunts.

I’m a member of a WhatsApp group where many of Mark’s clients have often shared videos of their Safaris (even recent ones). In the vast majority of them, the client managed to drop the game by themselves.

I respect the fact that you don’t do things the way he does. And that you want to dispatch your game animals quicker than what you see in his earlier videos. But honestly speaking, if I had to rank the most unethical white hunters/ hunting outfits in Africa… then, in my opinion… Mark wouldn’t even make top 20 in that list.

Maybe I’m a bit biased because I’ve seen a side of him that his hunting DVDs don’t show (and in all fairness to his critics, that’s how the how vast majority of you only get to see him). But in our interactions together, I saw a very hardworking sportsman. Very conscious about quickly dispatching game and very determined to help his clients shoot their own game.
 
@Ontario Hunter - maybe Mark Sullivan gets the Attention You crave? He doesn’t “post” about what a great shot he is —- he videos it !
I actually quite enjoyed the heroic story about single handedly stopping the dangerous gemsbok charge. I might buy the book “Ramblings of a Crazy Old Man” if he ever writes it!
 
It’s interesting to note that when I first hunted Africa back in the mid to late 90’s, specifically the recently reopened Mozambique after the end of their civil war and also SA, the 4 PH’s that guided us, all having extensive experience anywhere from 10 to 20 or more years guiding in Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, SA, and Mozambique weren’t too kind in their opinion of Mark Sullivan, but they all grudgingly admitted he was still capable and skilled as a PH. I had watched his video Black Death numerous times and read many Peter Capstick books prior to going on safari so naturally it came up in conversation with the PH’s.

I felt they considered Sullivan somewhat of a showboat but that his videos were good business for African hunting whether they agreed with his style of hunting or not. All of these experienced PH’s were far, far more harsh with their opinions on Peter Capstick, all feeling he was a wonderful writer and that was about it.
@BJH65 - looks like you had exactly the same feedback from PH’s that I did. In 2006 When I arrived in Camp, in TZ, Mark Sullivan was there and he & his Client had just ended their hunt. They were taking the same charter plane I flew in on - back to Dar that day. I briefly met Mark and spent an hour or so with him before he loaded onto the plane w/his Client and departed. He was a Gentleman, personable, and good sense of humor. He and his Client had taken a Hippo (in “full charge” per his Client) and some plains game, the Hippo served as bait for an Unsuccessful Lion hunt. Mark saw my double rifle (Chapuis .470NE) and was very complimentary of it - made a very dry comment “good caliber, .470 —- For a Woman !”…..which just made everyone (Me included) just burst out laughing. He had a great sense of humor and comedic timing ! Later, after he departed my PH and his assistant “carefully” shared their opinion of Mark and it was roughly “good guy, nice enough, don’t care for how he provokes charges” etc…. But they went on to say “he knows how to promote himself and his videos are good and make money” etc…. Then they both, almost simultaneously, said “No doubt, he shoots that double rifle as well as anyone ever has”. I got the impression they thought he was only an “average” PH but had Exceptional skills with his double rifle and was every bit as good with it as his Videos showed. Regarding Peter Capstick - one PH had met him several times and had a low opinion of him as a hunter and thought his books were “less then accurate, much Not true”.
I can’t say I got to know Mark Sullivan but from my brief exposure to him - he was very pleasant company. I don’t know if I’d want him as my PH but I’d share a Camp fire or a a drink with him anytime.
 
Well, I don’t seek out ANY hunting videos and only view the ones that are posted here on AH. I’ve seen a few DG ones here involving Mark Sullivan. I don’t know him personally but I can say unequivocally that HE is the type of PH that I would want backing me up if I’m ever fortunate to hunt Cape Buffalo. He’s very knowledgeable, experienced and doesn’t hesitate if/when the SHTF and that’s all I ask for.
 
Well, I don’t seek out ANY hunting videos and only view the ones that are posted here on AH. I’ve seen a few DG ones here involving Mark Sullivan. I don’t know him personally but I can say unequivocally that HE is the type of PH that I would want backing me up if I’m ever fortunate to hunt Cape Buffalo. He’s very knowledgeable, experienced and doesn’t hesitate if/when the SHTF and that’s all I ask for.
I think I’d ask for a PH that uses his knowledge and experience to prevent that situation not a PH that’s actively looking to create that situation. I have to wonder if part of the reason he became a PH is because no reputable PH would entertain his ideas as client. I hunted with a PH that told me he had a high profile client actively trying to get a charge and not following his instructions. He called his boss who sent a charter. The client was told his hunt was over.
 
@BJH65 - looks like you had exactly the same feedback from PH’s that I did. In 2006 When I arrived in Camp, in TZ, Mark Sullivan was there and he & his Client had just ended their hunt. They were taking the same charter plane I flew in on - back to Dar that day. I briefly met Mark and spent an hour or so with him before he loaded onto the plane w/his Client and departed. He was a Gentleman, personable, and good sense of humor. He and his Client had taken a Hippo (in “full charge” per his Client) and some plains game, the Hippo served as bait for an Unsuccessful Lion hunt. Mark saw my double rifle (Chapuis .470NE) and was very complimentary of it - made a very dry comment “good caliber, .470 —- For a Woman !”…..which just made everyone (Me included) just burst out laughing. He had a great sense of humor and comedic timing ! Later, after he departed my PH and his assistant “carefully” shared their opinion of Mark and it was roughly “good guy, nice enough, don’t care for how he provokes charges” etc…. But they went on to say “he knows how to promote himself and his videos are good and make money” etc…. Then they both, almost simultaneously, said “No doubt, he shoots that double rifle as well as anyone ever has”. I got the impression they thought he was only an “average” PH but had Exceptional skills with his double rifle and was every bit as good with it as his Videos showed. Regarding Peter Capstick - one PH had met him several times and had a low opinion of him as a hunter and thought his books were “less then accurate, much Not true”.
I can’t say I got to know Mark Sullivan but from my brief exposure to him - he was very pleasant company. I don’t know if I’d want him as my PH but I’d share a Camp fire or a a drink with him anytime.
He made a very similar comment about my Remington Model 700 .375 Holland & Holland Magnum.
“I’m sure it’s a lovely rifle. Did your girlfriend lend it to you ?”. We both burst out laughing at the same time.
 
I think I’d ask for a PH that uses his knowledge and experience to prevent that situation not a PH that’s actively looking to create that situation. I have to wonder if part of the reason he became a PH is because no reputable PH would entertain his ideas as client. I hunted with a PH that told me he had a high profile client actively trying to get a charge and not following his instructions. He called his boss who sent a charter. The client was told his hunt was over.
I personally don’t want to hunt anything that is ENTICED to charge me or those hunting with me. I would make that crystal clear to Mark Sullivan or any other PH I was paying for a hunt. It’s my hunt and I choose how it’s conducted within reason. I would still not hesitate to have Mark Sullivan as my PH with those guidelines in place.
 
I am not saying he did what I am asking about. But he is the guy that made all the stopping charges videos right?
I know when they came out I heard that he would wound the animals deliberately to get a charge for the video.

Again I am not saying he did that I am asking.
Because there is a difference in wounding a animal to get a charge and just being bothersome to get a charge.

Even with my limited view on the meaning of ethnic. I can’t see wounding a animal for a video.

If you want to walk in for a charge have fun.
 
He made a very similar comment about my Remington Model 700 .375 Holland & Holland Magnum.
“I’m sure it’s a lovely rifle. Did your girlfriend lend it to you ?”. We both burst out laughing at the same time.
@Hunter-Habib - He has the same type of Humor that I do - he likes to tease & poke Fun at people…. I like the sarcasm and never take offense at Good Natured ribbing, how could anyone Not like having a guy like that in Camp? Never “boring”.
 
I'd guess for some reason, the software running this site gives access to its cookies to google. I can think of no other reason.
Those dang-nabbed algorithms again.
 
I think I’d ask for a PH that uses his knowledge and experience to prevent that situation not a PH that’s actively looking to create that situation. I have to wonder if part of the reason he became a PH is because no reputable PH would entertain his ideas as client. I hunted with a PH that told me he had a high profile client actively trying to get a charge and not following his instructions. He called his boss who sent a charter. The client was told his hunt was over.
@375Fox - perfect World aside (and Preventing Danger is always best and many PHs are great at that) but BUT if things went BAD, your gun jammed, wounded Buff charging You and only One PH was there to back-You-up…. Mark Sullivan might be a Good Choice. Similar to a friend I had in College, big tough Guy, hot temper, pissed people off, and wound up starting a lot of bar fights = Bad…..BUT, when you were in a Fight He was the Guy you wanted on your side !!
 
Once again, Mr. Ontario Syllable, you're response is woefully inadequate. You claim "Sullivan = Influencer - his videos do not interest me." You're mistaken if you think Mark Sullivan is an influencer, and I have never heard another person make that claim. He's a professional hunter who has produced videos in an era before influencers as we know them today existed. As hard as that may be for you to understand, it's the truth. But I'm sure you've killed more dangerous game than Mark, have hunted Africa more times than him, and have more people who respect you and listen to you for real-world, practical advice, so you know better than all of us. In your original comment, you said "I prefer to get my knowledge from hands on [SIC] experience, textbooks, or from other peasants like myself..." Who would ask you for advice on dangerous game hunting? I read the snarky comments you make in posts. I don't ever see anyone on this forum asking you for advice. To that end, send me the names of the books you have written, the DVDs you have produced, the names of the clients you have guided in Africa, and the articles, websites, forums, etc., where people talk about you and your hunting skills and knowledge, your firearms skills, and your legacy. There's a reason a video wasn't made about you.
I am not sure about him.
But every one that does things don’t report,video, weight ,or talk about them out side of there circle. And people that do ask them questions do it in person.

You don’t have or need to be in the public eye to know and do things.

Now that’s just on what one does it has nothing to do with the hunting the original post is about
 
I personally don’t want to hunt anything that is ENTICED to charge me or those hunting with me. I would make that crystal clear to Mark Sullivan or any other PH I was paying for a hunt. It’s my hunt and I choose how it’s conducted within reason. I would still not hesitate to have Mark Sullivan as my PH with those guidelines in place.
@CoElkHunter - I like your “optimism” that you would hire a PH with a “Well known Style” and think you could change that. Like my friend in college (referred to in earlier post) that was Big, Tough, and frequently started Bar Fights - we went out many weekends and always started off telling him “Chris, let’s just enjoy the night and Not start any fights etc..”. Several drinks and a Black eye later —-it was always the same….But it was Never Boring ! However, when we wanted a “quiet evening” —- we knew to go out - without “Chris”
 
I may be in the minority opinion, but I enjoy his attitude and cockiness. I enjoy it in the same way that I enjoy the attitude and cockiness of a fighter jet pilot. To me he has never seemed arrogant, but rather expressly confident (in a manner that I don’t personally have but appreciate). For me, there are people whose experiences support their confident attitudes. He is one of them and I have found his videos to be both entertaining and, at times, informative. I hope I get the opportunity to meet him someday hear some stories firsthand.
I don’t like cockiness in general.
I have seen it get people that are there just doing there jobs get hurt.
And that has nothing to do with hunting.
 
@grand veneur @buck wild @sgt_zim @BJH65

You’ve all had countless pleasant exchanges with me over the last four years. And I definitely respect your differences of opinion. And I don’t mind it at all. I always welcome different perspectives.

I will also do my best to address your statements.

On the subject of Mark provoking animal charges
Yes, he’s guilty of this but not in the way some of his critics claim he is. Let me explain. In his life, he has NEVER wounded any Cape animal specifically for the purposes of provoking a charge. Not once. He’s vehemently opposed to the practice. But he does (as per Mark’s own words) “Get in their face and let them know that I’m hunting them”. It’s a question of personal ethics and okay… some of you might find it to be unethical. But it is what is is. In my personal opinion, there are other white hunters too who have carried out this practice. Ivan Carter (to name a few) sometimes waves his .600 Nitro Express Heym Jumbo in front of elephants in order to incite a charge. When we hunt leopard over hounds (for instance, in Botswana), the standard method of hunting is to keep pushing the leopard until he eventually charges.


On the subject of Mark’s personality being off-putting
It’s totally reasonable for people who’s only means of interacting with him being through watching his videos…to find him arrogant & pretentious. I can’t fault you there. When I first saw “Death At My Feet” (his first hunting DVD), I initially thought of him as an overconfident hotshot. But I’m immensely glad that I had the opportunity to interact with him personally & getting to know his inner circles. It let me see him in a completely different light.

On the subject of Mark’s actions putting clients into potential danger
Actually, Mark’s track record here is quite impressive. In a career spanning 35 years (and counting), he’s never actually had even a single client wounded on safari. As a matter of fact, due to his sheer firsthand experience with stopping dangerous game charges (allegations of provoking said charges notwithstanding)… he’s probably the one white hunter whom I’d completely feel safe hunting dangerous game with.

On the subject of Mark never stopping a lion or leopard charge on video
Mark actually has stopped one lion charge on video (that I know of). It was in Zimbabwe and he was a client during that hunt. Mark was armed with his Charles Osborne boxlock extractor in .577 Nitro Express (loaded with 750Gr Barnes TSX all-copper hollow points). Since Mark sold that particular rifle in 2012, this hunt must have occurred before that. I can ask him to send me the video. His book also shows a leopard which he shot in the head (mid-charge) with a Benelli Super Black Eagle in 12 gauge 3.5” Magnum (loaded with Remington 9 Pellet 32 gram 00 Buck shells). But @BJH65 is spot on when he says that lion & leopard are far faster than Cape buffalo or hippopotamus. As well as presenting smaller targets.

At the end of the day, we (as client hunters) are consumers/customers. If the hunting style of one white hunter doesn’t appeal to us, then we can simply pick another. Many of us here wouldn’t want to hunt with Mark Sullivan. That’s fine, but there are many of us (myself included) who would consider it to be a privilege.

I’ll add another insight from Mark himself. When Mark began his career in the early 1990s, the concept of hunting videos were JUST beginning to catch on. If my memory serves me correctly, they began to gain popularity after Peter Capstick filmed a hunt with Jeff Rann in Botswana. When Mark began his hunting videos, his primary market was towards rich American hunters (many of whom were hunting in Africa for the first time). So in his own words “Looking back, some of my earlier videos were specifically aimed at highlighting how dangerous African game can be”. I was already hunting in Africa for 15 years by then, but I imagine that a lot of aspiring first time client hunters were genuinely drawn towards his videos by seeing all those Cape buffalo and hippopotamus charges. It was a good marketing gimmick at the time when no other African white hunter was making hunting videos (those pre-You Tube days).

Over the years, he’s slowly mellowed out and he’s even publicly stated more than a few times that he hates shooting his client’s game.

I’ll give a final piece of insight. In the last 20 years or so, the model of African hunting has greatly changed. Nowadays, most Cape buffalo hunts present themselves like this: The white hunter gets the client within 100-200 yards of a Cape buffalo. The shooting sticks are set up, out comes the telescopic sighted .375 Holland & Holland Magnum. A 300Gr premium grade expanding bullet is sent to the animal’s boiler room from a broadside position. The creature goes maybe 100 yards and then drops. If this is the standard modern hunting practice, then it’s quite easy for people to make statements like “Cape buffalo never charge under normal circumstances”. I personally have nothing against this style of hunting (I hunt a lot of Cape buffalo this way, as well). But Mark likes a more, shall we say… gladiatorial approach. Getting close. And yes, at relatively close ranges… Cape buffalo charges (while definitely not a regular occurrence) are not all that uncommon.

I do stand by my comment about the hunting community being extremely judgmental, vindictive, hateful, self righteous & jealous though. For instance, Jeff Rann hunted a leopard over hounds a few years back (which got covered on video). A group of anti hunters began falsely bitching that the hunt was illegal. That’s hardly surprising, since they’re, well.. ANTI HUNTERS. But what really appalled me was how fast the international hunting community was quick to socially crucify Jeff and throw him under the bus without even bothering to properly research all of the background facts regarding that particular hunt.
Thank you that was the answer to my question.

And I am happy to take your word for it.

I have no problem with the way he hunts then.
And if his clients know what it is before going
Then they excepted any possible extra danger it might bring with it.
So it’s everyone on choice.
Perfectly fine.
 
I'll pay attention to the comments from those who have something to say. No time for clowns.
I have to ask then why are you saying that and bringing attention to it.
Instead of just doing it and going about life?
 
These Mark Sullivan threads come up from time to time. They usually go round and round about how he's an affable guy and his friends think he's great. A person can be fun to be around while still being someone with poor ethics or low integrity.

Taking Mr. Sullivan at face value, we just have to believe what he says he thinks is what he really thinks. When he describes his ethics in his own words, that is sort of the final word on the matter.

I wrote an analysis on what he says and does in his video series based on his own words and its covered here:


On the other hand, if its a matter of personal opinion and hunch which carries far less weight, I can give you my personal hunch which you can absolutely disregard. What Mark says and defines as his ethics in his own words are rather warped and may lean towards sociopathic. In light of the testimony of his friends and my personal hunch, I think he's just full of BS and doesn't believe what he says and what he claims as his ethics are just rationalizations for him to act the way he does. This would explain why he has friends since someone that actually believed the ethos that Mr. Sullivan states in his videos and print are generally anti-social and incompatible with many friendships.

So choose: Psychopathic and irrational with a smattering of illogical ethics, OR a BS-er that is braggadocios but largely full of hot air. If you believe the man's own words, it points to the former, if you believe his friends it suggests the latter.

Neither conclusion is very complimentary.
What ethics poor or other wise are universal?
 
I don’t like cockiness in general.
I have seen it get people that are there just doing there jobs get hurt.
And that has nothing to do with hunting.
@Flbt - cockiness, arrogance, abundance of confidence can all be offensive. Sometimes, when the person can actually back it up or it is just honestly Who-they-are, like them or Not they march to their own drum. Mark Sullivan’s behavior does Not bother me and does not negatively affect me - I don’t know him, only met him once and it was a pleasant hour of talk, stories, a few laughs etc.. He has attained celebrity status in some ways, takes some criticism for it, those on AH that have met or know him seem to speak highly of him and that’s what I pay attention to…..I wish I could shoot a Double rifle like he does !
 

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