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[Brent in Az]

I think the phrase, “If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail,” comes into play here. Let me state that ICE is simply doing their job which I have no issue with but figuring out a way utilizing more stealth to accomplish their operational goals is in order with less public awareness.

Difficult to do, unless they make the raids in the wee hours. They are followed by agitators all day in many cities.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Difficult to do, unless they make the raids in the wee hours. They are followed by agitators all day in many cities.

Isn’t impeding law enforcement a crime as well ?

 

[Tanks]

Did he fire a warning shot? No. Did he shoot the car to disable it? No. But he could have. He was shooting to kill in a neighborhood full of houses and people.

I guess being a Canadian resident you never held a CCW. If a CCW holder were to fire a warning shot, he'd be arrested, you never know where that round would end up. The CBP agent that shot her was carrying a 9mm Glock, not a .50BMG. You think he'd be able to penetrate the engine block and disable the car in a split second with a 9mm from the angle he had? Maybe, you have been watching too many movies.

Again, the round would have to penetrate her, the seat, the car before they would get to a house and people. Not going to happen with hollow point ammo from a 9mm.

Finally, one shoots to stop the threat, however perceived, and continues to shoot until one is satisfied that the threat is over.

It is amazing for a self-identified master of all firearms and use of force expert such as yourself one could be so wrong at so many levels.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Isn’t impeding law enforcement a crime as well ?

I think this is a great point. The deceased Alex Pretti was filmed a week before spitting on law enforcement and killing the tail light off a vehicle. I cant imagine doing such a thing and not expecting to get arrested, yet less than 2 weeks he is being an agitator and resisting arrest?

Were the optics of arresting and charging those "protesting" or lack there of, actually furthering encouraging this behavior leading to more aggressive confrontations.

I was actually pondering this today, if law enforcement, or if the local law enforcement was cooperating and arresting people for interferring, would 2 people actually still be alive today.

 

[Alistair]

Trump has always been in the media and like splashy projects. I wonder whether his inclination to put on a big show has hampered the otherwise worthy policies of his administration.

100% it has. Frankly, it's one of his greatest failures.

He's far more interested in putting on that show than achieving results. We see it with this ICE stuff, with tariffs, with geopolitical relations with NATO, with Iran, with his efforts to manage affordability, with every single thing he's attempted to do this term.

Maximum exposure, maximum push back, maximum 'owning the libs' to the amusement of MAGAland, but ultimately political suicide, whilst yielding minimal results.

This ICE stuff is probably the easiest example.

This is a policy that's generally popular amongst a lot of Americans. Reduce illegal immigration. Managed well, it'd be a real feather in the administrations cap for a lot of voters.

But so far he's not achieved anything out of the ordinary on the meat and potatoes of the issue.

He's managed to deport around 250,000 people in year 1 of his term and stopped another approx 350,000 at the border, which is functionally identical to what Biden was trending at as well.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/how-many-people-has-trump-deported-so-far/

(A lefty source of course, but nicely summarized, and the numbers do check out - I did my due diligence).

For perspective, Biden managed 1.1million deportations and 3 million border expulsions in his 4 year term, Trump 1 managed 1.5mn last time. Obama managed over 5 million.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

No substantive change in results. Pretty much the same numbers delivered as has been every year of the last decade. Lots and lots of noise, but the numbers don't lie... even if he does meet his lofty election claims, he'd still be less effective on this issue than Obama.

Yet because he's done it in the most public and inept way possible, now the electorate is really upset about it... and it'll probably lose him at least the house in the midterms.

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Another triumph of 'publicity as the end goal' and incompetence over delivering results. Great job.

Tariffs are more of the same, this NATO nonsense is more of the same, his meddling with central bank policy, his efforts towards affordability. Nothing is moving the needle in reality, but there's plenty of stuff that makes him look incredibly incompetent, and he's making damn sure that everyone is aware of all of it.

Ironically the only dirty laundry he hasn't aired publicly, is the one piece of it that'd actually be popular with the electorate to do so; the Epstein files.

 

[skydiver386]

I think the phrase, “If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail,” comes into play here. Let me state that ICE is simply doing their job which I have no issue with but figuring out a way utilizing more stealth to accomplish their operational goals is in order with less public awareness.

Covert is often preferable to Overt.

 

[Brent in Az]

Isn’t impeding law enforcement a crime as well ?

The original posters point was for ICE to be less visible in their actions. That's almost impossible with agitators and cameras following you trying to stir the shit pot. They are the ones creating drama, not ICE
Impeding is against the law, following and protesting is not.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I guess being a Canadian resident you never held a CCW. If a CCW holder were to fire a warning shot, he'd be arrested, you never know where that round would end up. The CBP agent that shot her was carrying a 9mm Glock, not a .50BMG. You think he'd be able to penetrate the engine block and disable the car in a split second with a 9mm from the angle he had? Maybe, you have been watching too many movies.

Again, the round would have to penetrate her, the seat, the car before they would get to a house and people. Not going to happen with hollow point ammo from a 9mm.

Finally, one shoots to stop the threat, however perceived, and continues to shoot until one is satisfied that the threat is over.

It is amazing for a self-identified master of all firearms and use of force expert such as yourself one could be so wrong at so many levels.

I guess the question remains: what kind of threat was Ms Good as she attempted to drive around that ICE thug? A threat to who? There were no other ICE agents in front of her vehicle. She hadn't driven far enough or fast enough to be considered a further public threat to anyone. There is the basic rule of "necessary force" relative to the "crime" committed. Cops can't shoot shoplifters. She MAY have bumped the guy but clearly not with enough force to knock him off his feet or even away from the vehicle. I very much doubt he sustained a scratch. For that he shot her point blank in the head through the car window ... after hitting her three times. And what about his earlier supercop incident breaking a car window and hanging on as it drives off. I guess that's normal police behavior? No, that's crazy behavior. The guy should have been taken out of service at that point.

 

[DMHolliday]

I am still catching up on this morning's posts, and look forward to what our Texas members have to say.

I personally believe this is a harbinger of what November holds. I think Trump has pissed off and alienated enough people that he needs to get used to being impeached.

I live in this specific area, roughly considered to be North East Tarrant county, county seat Fort Worth. Unfortunately, this is not an unexpected outcome mostly impacted by a divide in the local Republican party. The initial vote was split three ways between two R's and one D. If all the Republicans who voted in the first election would have supported the lone Republican in the run-off, the Republican candidate would've won. as borne out by the voting numbers. Instead of rallying behind the remaining Republican option, many of the supporters of the losing Republican candidate decided to opt out of the run off election.

Typical nonsense, back biting and petty jealousies, especially since the losing candidate in the first election chose not to endorse the other Republican for the run-off. I was involved in local politics at an arms length distance several years ago and became quickly fed up with the childish behavior.

In the early 2000's, I was selected to brief Congress on a routine basis, it was absolutely the low point of my 28 year career in the alphabet agency shuffle. Committees, sub-committees and their staff were generally interested in making a political statement versus listening to the briefing, if they were listening at all. The 80/20 rule was in effect. It truly amazes me our government functions.

 

[Brent in Az]

Gotta love Tyrus.

 

[fourfive8]

Whew! One thing about our current favorite poster, the tag-team teammate of frosty, he demonstrates the proposition that the mentally ill rarely realize they are. Once an MP? Yikes that’s scary! I once worked with a whole company of MPs. They were all held to a very high standard and without exception, squared away.

 

[Brent in Az]

100% it has. Frankly, it's one of his greatest failures.

He's far more interested in putting on that show than achieving results. We see it with this ICE stuff, with tariffs, with geopolitical relations with NATO, with Iran, with his efforts to manage affordability, with every single thing he's attempted to do this term.

Maximum exposure, maximum push back, maximum 'owning the libs' to the amusement of MAGAland, but ultimately political suicide, whilst yielding minimal results.

This ICE stuff is probably the easiest example.

This is a policy that's generally popular amongst a lot of Americans. Reduce illegal immigration. Managed well, it'd be a real feather in the administrations cap for a lot of voters.

But so far he's not achieved anything out of the ordinary on the meat and potatoes of the issue.

He's managed to deport around 250,000 people in year 1 of his term and stopped another approx 350,000 at the border, which is functionally identical to what Biden was trending at as well.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/how-many-people-has-trump-deported-so-far/

(A lefty source of course, but nicely summarized, and the numbers do check out - I did my due diligence).

For perspective, Biden managed 1.1million deportations and 3 million border expulsions in his 4 year term, Trump 1 managed 1.5mn last time. Obama managed over 5 million.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

No substantive change in results. Pretty much the same numbers delivered as has been every year of the last decade. Lots and lots of noise, but the numbers don't lie... even if he does meet his lofty election claims, he'd still be less effective on this issue than Obama.

Yet because he's done it in the most public and inept way possible, now the electorate is really upset about it... and it'll probably lose him at least the house in the midterms.

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Another triumph of 'publicity as the end goal' and incompetence over delivering results. Great job.

Tariffs are more of the same, this NATO nonsense is more of the same, his meddling with central bank policy, his efforts towards affordability. Nothing is moving the needle in reality, but there's plenty of stuff that makes him look incredibly incompetent, and he's making damn sure that everyone is aware of all of it.

Ironically the only dirty laundry he hasn't aired publicly, is the one piece of it that'd actually be popular with the electorate to do so; the Epstein files.

Despite all of this nonsensical spew, Trump's popularity and support among his base remains steady. Especially on border security.

 

[BJH65]

Difficult to do, unless they make the raids in the wee hours. They are followed by agitators all day in many cities.

Traditional LE tactics evolve and change over time due to changes in policy, case law, litigation and public pressure. One of the missions of ICE of course is to identify, arrest and remove non citizens subject to removal especially those who pose a threat to national security, public safety or border security. I believe this can be done using advanced technology and intel, among other things, reducing or eliminating exposure.

I do not believe in the statement, “it can’t be done,” nor do I think those leading ICE operations subscribe to this either. I believe the problems you specify are not insurmountable and can be addressed with a little ingenuity which I will not list and far superior tacticians than I have a significant toolbox to draw upon. I do think a change of tactics is in order to maintain public support.

 

[skydiver386]

Despite all of this nonsensical spew, Trump's popularity and support among his base remains steady. Especially on border security.

Trump is doing what I voted for him to do.

My problems are with leftist protesters and the Jackwagons that make excuses for them.

 

[Brent in Az]

Traditional LE tactics evolve and change over time due to changes in policy, case law, litigation and public pressure. One of the missions of ICE of course is to identify, arrest and remove non citizens subject to removal especially those who pose a threat to national security, public safety or border security. I believe this can be done using advanced technology and intel, among other things, reducing or eliminating exposure.

I do not believe in the statement, “it can’t be done,” nor do I think those leading ICE operations subscribe to this either. I believe the problems you specify are not insurmountable and can be addressed with a little ingenuity which I will not list and far superior tacticians than I have a significant toolbox to draw upon. I do think a change of tactics is in order to maintain public support.

One of the reasons Tom Homan went to Minneapolis. To help engage in the situation, and get the rhetoric toned down with the politicians, as well as the posture of the ICE agents against the protesters
Ice was informed not to engage with the protesters, which unfortunately, could embolden the agitators to be more aggressive.

 

[Brent in Az]

Trump is doing what I voted for him to do.

My problems are with leftist protesters and the Jackwagons that make excuses for them.

Plenty of those Jackwagons around here that are constantly complaining about ICE

 

[CraigV]

Whew! One thing about our current favorite poster, the tag-team teammate of frosty, he demonstrates the proposition that the mentally ill rarely realize they are. Once an MP? Yikes that’s scary! I once worked with a whole company of MPs. They were all held to a very high standard and without exception, squared away.

I'll agree that most are good. But...

A long time ago, I was TDY at Ft. Benning, my lodging at McVeigh Hall was across the way from the MP Garrison office. One night, around 2300, probably shift change for them I heard a car pull up out in the lot. Don't know why I looked out the window, but I did. Here's what I saw. MP approaches the clearing barrel outside their office. He drops his magazine, racks the slide, collects the round that was in the chamber, thumbs it back into the magazine, re-inserts the magazine into the weapon, drops the slide, points the weapon into the clearing barrel, and yup, squeezes the trigger. He was extremely surprised when the round he just re-loaded into the weapon functioned. Just stood there for a moment. Then he repeated his exact steps, with the same outcome. This time a couple of MP's came out of the office to assist him with basic firearm knowledge and safety.

Needless to say, I was on the floor laughing after seeing this!

 

[Brent in Az]

Explains why the European's around here are completely clueless

 

[BJH65]

One of the reasons Tom Homan went to Minneapolis. To help engage in the situation, and get the rhetoric toned down with the politicians, as well as the posture of the ICE agents against the protesters
Ice was informed not to engage with the protesters, which unfortunately, could embolden the agitators to be more aggressive.

I think trying to reason with or influence radical politicians will prove to be ineffectual well it already has. Redirection and diversions are one method which can be utilized for agitators. An old mentor, the late Sid Heal would’ve been the perfect advisor for tactical operations involving protesters/agitators. I’m certain there are qualified individuals however.

 

[BnC 04]

Explains why the European's around here are completely clueless View attachment 743195

That explains alot. Dr Canada must have the extra premium package to be tuned into the European news.