Do I have a bad die?

A piece of fired brass is the eqivalent to casting.
Not hardly.

When brass is fired in a gun it expands and then contracts allowing exttraction. I will be smaller than the chamber.

Cerrosafe intiallly shrinks slightly allowing extraction. After cooling it returns the demensions of the chamber in which it was cast.

Fired brass can give you clues, such as this brass might be giving-seemily appearing to have been fired in an over size chamber. But only measurements from a casting will tell if the chamer is out spec.
 
Not hardly.

When brass is fired in a gun it expands and then contracts allowing exttraction. I will be smaller than the chamber.

Cerrosafe intiallly shrinks slightly allowing extraction. After cooling it returns the demensions of the chamber in which it was cast.

Fired brass can give you clues, such as this brass might be giving-seemily appearing to have been fired in an over size chamber. But only measurements from a casting will tell if the chamer is out spec.
Intriguing.

I've only fired more than a few centerfire rounds, but never once had to take a casting to check a chamber. Definitely have used go/no go gauges a few times. Back in the dark ages when I was competing in long range matches, the people cutting resizing dies always asked for a few pieces of fired brass and took measurements off of fired brass and never once asked for a casting. Hmmm...... :unsure:
 
Intriguing.

I've only fired more than a few centerfire rounds, but never once had to take a casting to check a chamber. Definitely have used go/no go gauges a few times. Back in the dark ages when I was competing in long range matches, the people cutting resizing dies always asked for a few pieces of fired brass and took measurements off of fired brass and never once asked for a casting. Hmmm...... :unsure:
They want fired cases to check for out of spec chambers, as they will allow for case shrinkage. The dies they then make will be slightly smaller than the fired case to allow for spring back of the brass
Gumpy
 
Intriguing.

I've only fired more than a few centerfire rounds, but never once had to take a casting to check a chamber. Definitely have used go/no go gauges a few times. Back in the dark ages when I was competing in long range matches, the people cutting resizing dies always asked for a few pieces of fired brass and took measurements off of fired brass and never once asked for a casting. Hmmm...... :unsure:
Chamber cast are made to check the specifications of the chamber.

Sizing dies are cut using the fired brass, so the die can reduce the brass back tospecs so the brass can fit the chamber. It has to do with the the size of the brass not the chamber.

Fired brass is not the same size as the chamber, it is smaller.

Chambers have their specifications with tolerances. The custom die poeple aren't necessarilly looking for out-of-spec chambers, (they do find them how ever) They are looking to make a dies to reduce the brass to correct ammunition specs based on the tolerance found on the fired case.

Chambers are made to tolerences.

Ammuntion has tolerances also.

The die makers are making dies to address these variance cause by tolerances.

When a cartridge fires it expands to fill the chamber, then it contracts slightly. Brass is springy. It is smaller than the chamber but usually larger than specifications for ammunution.

Ammuntion specifications are smaller than chamber specifications. A cartridge wouldn't fit a chamber else wise.

Because brass is springy sizing dies are smaller than ammuntion spec.

Resize dies have specifications that reduce fired cases back to specifications in for ammuntion. The customs die makes cuts the reamer to meet those tolerances based on the dimensins found in the fired case.

A chamber is larger than a factory or fired cartridge.

A factory or fired cartridge case is smaller than a chamber and larger than a sizing die.

If a cartridge is fired in a chamber that is made with a reamer cutting to maximum specs-like with a brand new reamer, that case is going to be large. If a rifle has been shot for 40 years and especially if that cartridge is a high pressure cartridge, the chamber can be enlarged and wore, increasing the dimensions of the chamber. That change can only be found from a chamber cast-it can be indicated by enlarged brass.

If that case is then resized in a sizing die, a die reamed with a reamer with minmum specs that has cut a large number of dies, (factory dies) and has been resharpened a number of times it is going to be small. The die will still be in specs but it will be samll and tight.

Its called stacking of tolerances.

The way chambers are checked for spec is by chamber casting.

Die makers will work from both-castings and fired brass. My reamer makers prefer three fired cases or one chamber cast.

I still think this 40 year old rifle needs its chamber checked. Probably nothing wrong with it, and in fact all it need is a custom sizing die-made from three fired cases. But something is making that brass larger than normal and most likely is the chamber.

I got my knowledge from college, where I learned a 1.000 inch pin guage will not fit in a 1.000 inch hole guage. And in the shop when a customer supplied 500 rounds of range pick-up 30-30 cases to make into .219 Donaldson Wasp to go with the rifle I was building for him. First step full length resize all that brass in a 30-30 die. I also built a set of universal forming dies. 2500 steps later...
 
So I have been sizing and depriming for my 7mm weatherby mag, 338 win mag and 416 rem mag. This is my first foray into rifle reloading.
Press is a rock chucker supreme.
416 dies are Lee
338 and 7mm are RCBS
I first started with the 7mm and it was very difficult to size. Down and up was very difficult. After about 25 cases the depriming pin broke and the rod was bent. Ordered a new one.
Sized the 416 without any issues. Very smooth.
Received the new decapping rod this week and decided to have another go.
Resized some more 416. No problem.
Resized the 338 and no issues.
I measured the pin depth and locked down everything.
When I started the 7mm it was difficult again. I stopped and reset/remeasured everything. Broke another pin and bent the rod. I’m at a loss now. I set up the 7mm the same as the 338 and there were no issues with the 338.
I checked the inside do the 7mm die and no obstruction. The air gap was not clogged. I then measured the resized brass and all were good. Then I measured the brass I had not resized/deprimed to see how far out it was and how much work the die was doing. All of the brass I measured was very close to spec and really didn’t need sizing. Like 2-3 thousands at the shoulder. The base, belt and neck were 1-2 thousands to spec.
I’m at a loss? I have been asking some friends with years of experience reloading and they are puzzled also.
The only thing I can figure is the sizing die is out, although it is new. I did check and it is engraved 7mm weatherby magnum.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Check to see if the decaping rod is not adjusted too far down in the die the decaping pin should protrude about 3/16 of an inch , & are you using a good quality case lube ?, also measure the dia of the expander button may be try sizing with the decaping rod removed.
 
Check to see if the decaping rod is not adjusted too far down in the die the decaping pin should protrude about 3/16 of an inch , & are you using a good quality case lube ?, also measure the dia of the expander button may be try sizing with the decaping rod removed.
I have adjusted the decapping rod to .15-.18 in. This has eliminated bending the decapping rod and breaking the pin. I have been using RCBS case lube and pad. I did try sizing with the decapping rod removed and as long as I backed off the die 1/4 turn it sized fine. I also switched to an RCBS #4 case holder just in case, didn’t make a difference. Thanks, I do appreciate the suggestions.
 
Appreciate the replies. Yes the rifle is right at 40 years old. I received the rifle as a Christmas present and am the only owner. It is a Mark V. I have shot factory weatherby ammo exclusively with the exception of 2 boxes a very close friend reloaded for me. Your cautions are understandable and well taken. As a precaution I will measure my recent resized brass and compare to some of the weatherby factory loads I have on hand. I will repeat the comparison after I have loaded the brass, assuming the first comparison doesn’t cause a concern.

Chamber cast are made to check the specifications of the chamber.

Sizing dies are cut using the fired brass, so the die can reduce the brass back tospecs so the brass can fit the chamber. It has to do with the the size of the brass not the chamber.

Fired brass is not the same size as the chamber, it is smaller.

Chambers have their specifications with tolerances. The custom die poeple aren't necessarilly looking for out-of-spec chambers, (they do find them how ever) They are looking to make a dies to reduce the brass to correct ammunition specs based on the tolerance found on the fired case.

Chambers are made to tolerences.

Ammuntion has tolerances also.

The die makers are making dies to address these variance cause by tolerances.

When a cartridge fires it expands to fill the chamber, then it contracts slightly. Brass is springy. It is smaller than the chamber but usually larger than specifications for ammunution.

Ammuntion specifications are smaller than chamber specifications. A cartridge wouldn't fit a chamber else wise.

Because brass is springy sizing dies are smaller than ammuntion spec.

Resize dies have specifications that reduce fired cases back to specifications in for ammuntion. The customs die makes cuts the reamer to meet those tolerances based on the dimensins found in the fired case.

A chamber is larger than a factory or fired cartridge.

A factory or fired cartridge case is smaller than a chamber and larger than a sizing die.

If a cartridge is fired in a chamber that is made with a reamer cutting to maximum specs-like with a brand new reamer, that case is going to be large. If a rifle has been shot for 40 years and especially if that cartridge is a high pressure cartridge, the chamber can be enlarged and wore, increasing the dimensions of the chamber. That change can only be found from a chamber cast-it can be indicated by enlarged brass.

If that case is then resized in a sizing die, a die reamed with a reamer with minmum specs that has cut a large number of dies, (factory dies) and has been resharpened a number of times it is going to be small. The die will still be in specs but it will be samll and tight.

Its called stacking of tolerances.

The way chambers are checked for spec is by chamber casting.

Die makers will work from both-castings and fired brass. My reamer makers prefer three fired cases or one chamber cast.

I still think this 40 year old rifle needs its chamber checked. Probably nothing wrong with it, and in fact all it need is a custom sizing die-made from three fired cases. But something is making that brass larger than normal and most likely is the chamber.

I got my knowledge from college, where I learned a 1.000 inch pin guage will not fit in a 1.000 inch hole guage. And in the shop when a customer supplied 500 rounds of range pick-up 30-30 cases to make into .219 Donaldson Wasp to go with the rifle I was building for him. First step full length resize all that brass in a 30-30 die. I also built a set of universal forming dies. 2500 steps later

Chamber cast are made to check the specifications of the chamber.

Sizing dies are cut using the fired brass, so the die can reduce the brass back tospecs so the brass can fit the chamber. It has to do with the the size of the brass not the chamber.

Fired brass is not the same size as the chamber, it is smaller.

Chambers have their specifications with tolerances. The custom die poeple aren't necessarilly looking for out-of-spec chambers, (they do find them how ever) They are looking to make a dies to reduce the brass to correct ammunition specs based on the tolerance found on the fired case.

Chambers are made to tolerences.

Ammuntion has tolerances also.

The die makers are making dies to address these variance cause by tolerances.

When a cartridge fires it expands to fill the chamber, then it contracts slightly. Brass is springy. It is smaller than the chamber but usually larger than specifications for ammunution.

Ammuntion specifications are smaller than chamber specifications. A cartridge wouldn't fit a chamber else wise.

Because brass is springy sizing dies are smaller than ammuntion spec.

Resize dies have specifications that reduce fired cases back to specifications in for ammuntion. The customs die makes cuts the reamer to meet those tolerances based on the dimensins found in the fired case.

A chamber is larger than a factory or fired cartridge.

A factory or fired cartridge case is smaller than a chamber and larger than a sizing die.

If a cartridge is fired in a chamber that is made with a reamer cutting to maximum specs-like with a brand new reamer, that case is going to be large. If a rifle has been shot for 40 years and especially if that cartridge is a high pressure cartridge, the chamber can be enlarged and wore, increasing the dimensions of the chamber. That change can only be found from a chamber cast-it can be indicated by enlarged brass.

If that case is then resized in a sizing die, a die reamed with a reamer with minmum specs that has cut a large number of dies, (factory dies) and has been resharpened a number of times it is going to be small. The die will still be in specs but it will be samll and tight.

Its called stacking of tolerances.

The way chambers are checked for spec is by chamber casting.

Die makers will work from both-castings and fired brass. My reamer makers prefer three fired cases or one chamber cast.

I still think this 40 year old rifle needs its chamber checked. Probably nothing wrong with it, and in fact all it need is a custom sizing die-made from three fired cases. But something is making that brass larger than normal and most likely is the chamber.

I got my knowledge from college, where I learned a 1.000 inch pin guage will not fit in a 1.000 inch hole guage. And in the shop when a customer supplied 500 rounds of range pick-up 30-30 cases to make into .219 Donaldson Wasp to go with the rifle I was building for him. First step full length resize all that brass in a 30-30 die. I also built a set of universal forming dies. 2500 steps later...
Thank you @TheDoubleD for taking time to write a good explanation of the interaction of SAAMI chamber specs, chamber casts, chamber reamer variances,
and cartridge size.

Stacking of tolerances is an important factor.

I had a reloading failure experience with a sporterized 30-06 Czech VZ-24.

After a case head separation with my moderate loads with IMR4064 and 150 grain SP, I had my gunsmith check headspace (I was new to reloading and buying a lot of used rifles at the time).

My gunsmith determined excessive headspace in the rifle.
He showed me with GO and NO_GO gauges.

Lesson learned. The other gunshop refunded my money.

I bought an LE Wilson case gauge and checked my other unfired reloads.

All out of Spec.

I had the dies screwed down too much, setting the shoulder back by about .002.

My screwup with setting the dies, combined with the excessive rifle chamber headspace, resulted in the case rupture.

Stacking Tolerances is a big deal!

Thankfully the Mauser 98 gas handling design saved me from any injury.

@Rum Runner, regarding your 7mm Weatherby magnum, have a chamber cast made for measurements.
When resizing brass, Imperial Sizing Die Wax is a good choice.

Good Luck sorting this out.
 

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