12ga, 10ga, 8ga, 4ga FH; 585HE, 700HE; Big Bores--

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  1. hubel458

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    Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
    He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
    There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.

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    Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
    He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.

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    We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
    long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
    using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
    One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
    made similar, just a newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
    and a 1.60" diameter receivers.

    And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
    these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
    another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
    stack, center feed, magazine..He has one of our 585 HE reamers on hand,
    we have barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed

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  2. hubel458

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    Here we kill two birds with one stone so to speak,

    Best case sizer is the MEC Collet Super Sizer and it can double
    as a case holder when we roll crimp. Much better hold than
    the ones made to hold cases for crimping, that cost a lot.
    Save cost of a holder, plus have best sizer around

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  3. hubel458

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    Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
    in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
    Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
    like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
    The scope rail is a piccatiny type.

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    The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
    block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
    Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.

    About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
    sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
    is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one being added on for a jig
    with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
    extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
    When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
    the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
    The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
    Just keep on building...Ed

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  4. hubel458

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    Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
    On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
    and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
    weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
    Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
    like a compact UTG sight...

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    If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
    like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
    He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.

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    Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
    a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb
    stock, handles recoil great... Ed

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    More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
    Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
    One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
    Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
    to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
    that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
    Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
    Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed
     

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  5. hubel458

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    Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that
    our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
    for long range shooting.

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    Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
    585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
    He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.


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    In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
    By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
    Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed

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    Q: How do you make a .416 bullet look like a .223?
    A: Neck down a .585 Hubel....
     

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    Ed I got got my stuff on Christmas Eve ( 2 1/2 months to get through Costums using Prophet River, not to bad). I take to the gunsmith on Tuesday, I'll post pictures as I can.
     

  8. hubel458

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    That is great and good luck with the project. ED
     

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    A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
    That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever.

    Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
    bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
    I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
    bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.

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    Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the MPI stock..

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    Here is another pic of our guys 24ga FH in the NEF

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    On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
    die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
    felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
    roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
    bullet or slug, shortens case life.

    So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
    of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
    amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
    with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
    work that has to be done in the press ... Ed

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    Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun cases, holding
    a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with.
    These with light brass slugs supposed to do over 2000 fps.

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    Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
    Known as Rocky Mtn Rifle. Video is on Youtube of testing our
    585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
    shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..



    Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
    the second one they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
    AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
    Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for 585HE..

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    Picture of Rossi singleshot with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
    chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, for testing in a light rifle
    with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
    put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got lots of cases. Ed

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    Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
    I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.

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    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.

    Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.

    Told company if they did them NEFUltra style, rifled, heavy 12ga slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.

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    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed

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    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed

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    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,

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    Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
    Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
    compared to many others.

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    Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.

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    Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..

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    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
    variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed

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    What leverguns can be used for the shorter cased cartridges
     

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    So far we know 71 and 86 Wins and big steel

    frame Henry used for 45-70. Ed
     

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    Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.

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    Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
    for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases

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    Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
    It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt
    further back, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
    Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
    Needs, more shaping, polishing, blueing, scope rail added.

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    Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking stock.
    Nice looking wood. Ed

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    There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
    locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
    Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

    Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.

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    Here is another view of the great camo job on the
    585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed

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    Here is a picture of my 585 HE 90% done at Corlanes/Rocky Mountain Rifles
     
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    Beautifle rifle, like the color of the stock.

    Is that a Lawton, or Stiller action.

    Can I use picture all over where I post. Ed
     

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    Stiller action go ahead and use the picture, they are in the process of thinking the stock and finishing the barbell to 24 inch. Then powder coat hope to get it when I get back from Africa
     

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