Has anyone seen this new .303 single shot?

sestoppelman · Jun 6, 2020

Bob Nelson 35Whelen said:
@Tanks
In the old SMLE it is only a bit slower than the 08. In a P14, Ruger No1 or hiwall it can be loaded to almost equal the ought six.
Bob

Well now lets not get carried away here BN. In a strong action the .303 Brit can equal the .308 Win, but not the '06. It just doesn't have the boiler room to accomplish that, at least within safe pressure limits.

Bob Nelson 35Whelen · Jun 6, 2020

Skinnersblade said:
The stocks can still be found to put them back into military configuration. I personally prefer them that.

@Skinnersblade
The metal work like the nose cap and barrel band for the wood may be harder to find. Depends on if it a no1 mk111 or a no4 mk1.
Bob

Paul Raley · Jun 7, 2020

Here in SA the .303 is still frequently used for hunting due to our military history and availability of rifles in this caliber . Recently ( Feb 2020 ) a local hunting publication ( Wildland ) had an article in it about the comparison of the 7x57 and the .303 by Pierre Van Der Walt . I cannot find that magazine now but at the time I took some photos of the article to send to a friend of mine , a staunch 7x57 fan . ( The photos are not of the full article )
From the comparison it can be seen that the .303 should not be underrated and that ballistically it is a great cartridge .

bruce moulds · Jun 7, 2020

not knocking the 303, but that author has severe case of gunwriteritis.
yo cannot in fairness compare a 175 gn 303 bullet to a 175 gn 7mm bullet.
s.d. iof these 2 bullets is from different planets.
if you say 30 cal and 7mm, a 140 gn 7mm is about equal to a 165 gn 30 cal.
a 160 gn 7mm is about the same as a 190 gn 30 cal.
a 175 gn 7mm is about the same as a 210 gn 30 cal, so in the ballpark of a 215 gn 303.
check the trajectories on what each case can deliver with bullets like that.
he has not included all the elements of the formula.
bullet wt, bullet diameter, and bullet velocity, and then attempted to compare results with similar bullet design.
writers specialize in leaving some things out, as it causes debate, which promotes their image.
the problem is that those who do not know stuff take them as authorities and believe what is basically claptrap.
bruce.

Paul Raley · Jun 7, 2020

The rifles as posted by Tom are definitely pretty rifles , there is just something special about a nice classic looking falling block rifle and I can fully understand why the Ruger No.1s are so popular .
A few years ago I was lucky enough to buy a “custom” Martini- Enfield Mod 1900 MK 1 falling block rifle in .303 off an older friend of mine , he just wanted a good home for it and a nominal amount was paid for it .
It is a great little rifle and one day soon I hope to be able to hunt with it . I will send some photos , it is in my opinion one of the prettiest rifles in my collection.

Paul Raley · Jun 7, 2020

Some more photos

Paul Raley · Jun 7, 2020

bruce moulds said:
not knocking the 303, but that author has severe case of gunwriteritis.
yo cannot in fairness compare a 175 gn 303 bullet to a 175 gn 7mm bullet.
s.d. iof these 2 bullets is from different planets.
if you say 30 cal and 7mm, a 140 gn 7mm is about equal to a 165 gn 30 cal.
a 160 gn 7mm is about the same as a 190 gn 30 cal.
a 175 gn 7mm is about the same as a 210 gn 30 cal, so in the ballpark of a 215 gn 303.
check the trajectories on what each case can deliver with bullets like that.
he has not included all the elements of the formula.
bullet wt, bullet diameter, and bullet velocity, and then attempted to compare results with similar bullet design.
writers specialize in leaving some things out, as it causes debate, which promotes their image.
the problem is that those who do not know stuff take them as authorities and believe what is basically claptrap.
bruce.

Hi Bruce .
Thank you for your input , this is how we learn by getting information from people like you , as I am not an expert in ballistics I cannot make any comment .
As a firearms enthusiast and hunter I only have a “basic / working knowledge” of ballistics but am happy we are exposed to so much good information on this forum .

Kevin Peacocke · Jun 7, 2020

Yes, replace the quarter rib and this little rifle has promise, but really, not a patch on the Ruger No1's lines. I expect that rifle, especially in its Tropical guise may yet pitch up in a gallery as a work of art.
As to the calibre Uberti have chosen, these folks are smart; there is a strong buying public that favour nostalgia and aesthetics as much as functionality, and when they get to that appreciative age they have the income to indulge their whims. Now, just put some pretty wood on it and I could be tempted...

Forrest Halley · Jun 7, 2020

With respect to the Ruger No. 1 in .303 are we sure that it doesn't have a .308 bore? They did the Mini-30's that way...it is a common trend amongst US manufacturing. So bullet selection might not be bad at all...just a thought.

Just to poke the bear, .303 and 8mm start world wars and .30-06 finishes them...

Bob Nelson 35Whelen · Jun 7, 2020

Forrest Halley said:
With respect to the Ruger No. 1 in .303 are we sure that it doesn't have a .308 bore? They did the Mini-30's that way...it is a common trend amongst US manufacturing. So bullet selection might not be bad at all...just a thought.

Just to poke the bear, .303 and 8mm start world wars and .30-06 finishes them...

@Forrest Halley
The 303 finished a lot of wars as well and probably fired more rounds in anger than the 06 as it was still being used in Afghanistan.
Bob

Forrest Halley · Jun 7, 2020

Bob Nelson 35Whelen said:
@Forrest Halley
The 303 finished a lot of wars as well and probably fired more rounds in anger than the 06 as it was still being used in Afghanistan.
Bob

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen nothing tops back to back World War champs! Well are we counting loss of empire independence struggles as wars won? If we want to talk victorious rimmed cartridges, the 7.62x54R has a better track record. Alas neither has a .308 bore...pity for bullet selection.

WebleyGreene455 · Jun 7, 2020

Bob Nelson 35Whelen said:
The 1885 lowall and high wall were engineering masterpieces of simplicity and beauty. I would love to have one of the Browning copies
Bob

One of the main reasons I came on here in the first place was for some help with a weird little project idea. There's a US company that makes new Sharps rifles and 1885s and I wondered, "Could I get one of these made custom in a Nitro Express cartridge instead of the more traditional US offerings?" Which, they said, yes, they could.

bruce moulds · Jun 7, 2020

traditional sharps cartridges, namely the 45 2 7/8, 45 3 1/4, 50 2 1/2, and 50 3 1/4, when loaded with smokeless will equal nitro express cartridges.
bruce.

WebleyGreene455 · Jun 7, 2020

bruce moulds said:
traditional sharps cartridges, namely the 45 2 7/8, 45 3 1/4, 50 2 1/2, and 50 3 1/4, when loaded with smokeless will equal nitro express cartridges.
bruce.

True but I was curious if it could be done with a European cartridge instead!

Tubby’s Canteen · Jun 7, 2020

Forrest Halley said:
@Bob Nelson 35Whelen nothing tops back to back World War champs! Well are we counting loss of empire independence struggles as wars won? If we want to talk victorious rimmed cartridges, the 7.62x54R has a better track record. Alas neither has a .308 bore...pity for bullet selection.

Which was quitely followed by back to back losses in Asia and then a trip to Somalia which certainly never went according to plan.

A large group of nations was involved in the victories in Europe and I've always felt the role of the Canadian was under appreciated. The taking of Juno and the liberation of Netherlands. The protection of convoys, the building of corvettes.

The canadian corps also took vimmy ridge in the first.

That's not to even began to mention the sacrifices made by the brave men of Newfoundland whom were not yet a part of Canada.

How'd the war of 1812 treat you?

Red Leg · Jun 7, 2020

Skinnersblade said:
Which was quitely followed by back to back losses in Asia and then a trip to Somalia which certainly never went according to plan.

A large group of nations was involved in the victories in Europe and I've always felt the role of the Canadian was under appreciated. The taking of Juno and the liberation of Netherlands. The protection of convoys, the building of corvettes.

The canadian corps also took vimmy ridge in the first.

That's not to even began to mention the sacrifices made by the brave men of Newfoundland whom were not yet a part of Canada.

How'd the war of 1812 treat you?

Yes, alas that was the second time we failed to incorporate Canada. :Banghead:

However, strategically, the War of 1812 was a success. Naval defeat on the Great Lakes ended British influence in the upper Midwest and the Ohio valley. The Battle of New Orleans, though technically after the war, put an entirely different spin on the Treaty of Ghent, effectively ending both Great Britain's imperial aspirations and remaining influence with native Americans in the Mississippi River Valley. US Naval frigate actions defeating British opponents in ship to ship actions ushered in two centuries of growing American Naval power. Though ignored by the Treaty of Ghent, impressment ended with the end of the war.

I have great respect for what Canadian forces contributed in both World Wars and the Cold War. The best armored brigade in NATO was Canadian through the 1970's. It is what makes me so sad about the appalling condition of the Canadian armed forces today. Canada is totally dependent upon the United States for logistical support to what remains of its Air Force and Navy, and the remnants of its ground forces are essentially non-deployable by national means. Nearly half of Canada's front line military aircraft or non-mission capable. The navy has no replenishment ships to support what remains of the navy should it wish to unilaterally deploy.

I suppose it doesn't matter to most Canadians that they are unable to protect their own national interests beyond their borders, but I am not sure what that says about the reality of a nation's independence.

Tanks · Jun 7, 2020

Red Leg said:
...

I suppose it doesn't matter to most Canadians that they are unable to protect their own national interests beyond their borders, but I am not sure what that says about the reality of a nation's independence.

Unfortunately, the USA is headed in that direction as well. First we'll defund the police then the military.

Tubby’s Canteen · Jun 7, 2020

Red Leg said:
Yes, alas that was the second time we failed to incorporate Canada.

However, strategically, the War of 1812 was a success. Naval defeat on the Great Lakes ended British influence in the upper Midwest and the Ohio valley. The Battle of New Orleans, though technically after the war, put an entirely different spin on the Treaty of Ghent, effectively ending both Great Britain's imperial aspirations and remaining influence with native Americans in the Mississippi River Valley. US Naval frigate actions defeating British opponents in ship to ship actions ushered in two centuries of growing American Naval power. Though ignored by the Treaty of Ghent, impressment ended with the end of the war.

I have great respect for what Canadian forces contributed in both World Wars and the Cold War. The best armored brigade in NATO was Canadian through the 1970's. It is what makes me so sad about the appalling condition of the Canadian armed forces today. Canada is totally dependent upon the United States for logistical support to what remains of its Air Force and Navy, and the remnants of its ground forces are essentially non-deployable by national means. Nearly half of Canada's front line military aircraft or non-mission capable. The navy has no replenishment ships to support what remains of the navy should it wish to unilaterally deploy.

I suppose it doesn't matter to most Canadians that they are unable to protect their own national interests beyond their borders, but I am not sure what that says about the reality of a nation's independence.

We are in a sad state of affairs in terms of defensive capabilities and growing worse every year. The fact we couldn't defend our interests beyound our borders is far less of a scare then the fact that we couldn't defend our boarders if a legitimate challenger stepped forward.

We as a colony still repelled your forces ten consecutive times during the above mentioned conflict.

Forrest Halley · Jun 7, 2020

Skinnersblade said:
Which was quitely followed by back to back losses in Asia and then a trip to Somalia which certainly never went according to plan.

A large group of nations was involved in the victories in Europe and I've always felt the role of the Canadian was under appreciated. The taking of Juno and the liberation of Netherlands. The protection of convoys, the building of corvettes.

The canadian corps also took vimmy ridge in the first.

That's not to even began to mention the sacrifices made by the brave men of Newfoundland whom were not yet a part of Canada.

How'd the war of 1812 treat you?

The .30-06 was an unfortunate victim of politics. Liberals killed us the second Asian vacation but the .30-06 didn't make that or further trips.
As for the War of 1812... conquering Canada was a lost opportunity and we still have AR's with full capacity magazines and no Trudeau.

Tubby’s Canteen · Jun 7, 2020

Forrest Halley said:
The .30-06 was an unfortunate victim of politics. Liberals killed us the second Asian vacation but the .30-06 didn't make that or further trips.
As for the War of 1812... conquering Canada was a lost opportunity and we still have AR's with full capacity magazines and no Trudeau.

It's a mute point anyway we shifted so far away from core Canadian values towards multinationalism and allowed our own identity to be muddied so far that the men who founded this country would never recognize it anyway. Anyone who leans to the right politically and attempts to speak out about our open door policies is labeled a racist and disregarded.

Has anyone seen this new .303 single shot?

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