The Cannon Myth: Why I'd Rather Hit Than Bruise

Tdsmith517 · Oct 15, 2026

SStomcat said:
And here come the usual cahoots, right on cue!

MarkOuellette — nothing meaningful to contribute, but present nonetheless.

375 Fox — ever ready to pick a fight whenever his position is challenged.

Skydiver386 — nothing meaningful to add, but unwilling to miss the gathering.

VertigoBE - MIA
And the infamous Oneday Joker — well, every circus needs its clown!

Gentlemen, thanks for showing up on cue. I was beginning to wonder when the usual suspects would arrive to lend their support. Still waiting for a meaningful contribution to the discussion, though. One would think that with so many eager participants, someone might bring an argument to the table rather than simply joining the chorus.

But then again, perhaps I shouldn't expect a substantive debate from a gathering where attendance seems to matter more than contribution.

As someone who has read this entire thread, I feel like these members contributed a lot to this thread.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

Ontario Hunter said:
Personally, dressing up in period costume would not enhance my safari experience. But that's just me. I'm there to be myself and focus on hunting, not fit a commercialized stereotype for attire. However, I am greatly relieved and pleased to be able to be in the field on safari and not required to dress up like an orange ball of fire (I.e. North American big game hunter) or combat soldier in camo head to toe. Mind you, I do wear Cabelas camo shirts on safari because they're the most comfortable and durable shirts I've ever worn. And if needed a camo rain jacket by Frogg Toggs because it's lightweight and takes up no space in my checked bag. And a camo ball cap from my safari operator ... because it actually fits my size 7.5" head vs the Chinese junk sold here made for a Chinaman's size head. Frankly, it's become difficult finding affordable "unwashed masses" hunting gear in North America that isn't camo. Even sunglasses and boots. How silly. If I wear camo on safari, it's because that's what I have in the closet here, not because camo gives me any kind of edge rifle hunting big game anywhere. I'm sure I'd get booted off the manor if I showed up in camo at a UK driven pheasant hunt/shoot. But I just can't see myself enjoying that kind of hunting or the folks that enjoy that kind of show. Basically I'm still a working man at heart.

I'm not sure if you notice, but I worked for a company that owned Sitka, I used to get 50% off but did not end up buying anything, because most of everything was in camo, or in a design that I didnt like..
Sitka makes good stuff though, just didnt go with my taste.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

Are those sleeves a little too long, or is that the latest fashion trend?

Tdsmith517 said:
@Tanks is dressed for success, everything a man needs and nothing he doesn’t to get in the way. I like a streamlined efficient setup and it’s nice to see you have ear pro at hand.

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Oct 15, 2026

I hadn't read pages 8-21, wow, what I missed.

dchum said:
And you say that im a trouble starter who takes jabs at people….

At least I know what I am talking about hahah.

Isn't the sum of your African experience two family-paid PG hunts to the same outfitter in Namibia, with a scoped Ruger No. 1 .30-06? You do realize that this is a DGR caliber thread? Have you even got a DGR of your own, and hunted buffalo with it? Why are you here? Voyeurism?

Tanks said:
Here is an example of a 5 star elephant camp.
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"Luxury. We used to dream about a bucket gravity shower with shampoo! Of course, we had it tough. We would bathe by having a giraffe piss all over us, if we were lucky! " (Recite with Yorkshire accent.)

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OK, back to pages 24-25:

375Fox said:
Ontario Hunter would make a great subject for your next book . . . It’s not that funny after 3 years of ridiculous posts and frequent exaggerations. If loosely based in fact is good enough for you then we have very different opinions. You might notice the story changed with every post?

I've missed his past 3 years of posts, so I don't share your history/ire.
As you posted earlier on:

As much as I hate to verify the 2% accuracy in any of OH’s posts, there was a recent video where Buzz also had a client named Buzz.

Yes, and that was my point: "Give [even] the Devil his due." Ontario Hunter was correct.

Mark458 said:
First couple buffalo I shot was with a 375. Very little reaction to the shot. Next couple of buffalo were taken with a 458 Lott. Unbelievable difference in the animals reaction. The Lott just about took them off their feet and resulted in very quick kills.

Doug Hamilton said:
So what if it falls on you to stop the charge? If you start the crisis, you should be able to end it. That happened on my first safari. A "dead" buffalo got up and started for the PH at about ten feet. Due to a mechanical failure of his rifle, it just went "click." I broke that bulls neck with my .458 Win.

Yes, exactly. I think DG hunters should carry a "charge-stopping" caliber (or at least a .416), even though routinely stopping charges is "not their job". Doug's story illustrates why.

As @One Day... put it:

The real question on DG is: "what is the biggest gun you can shoot reliably?"

That's the beginning and end of the caliber issue, both for personal defense and for DG.

As the OP asked on page 2:

Are you trading the heavy "safety net" of a punishing .458 for the laser-like placement of a manageable .375?

Any caliber you choose for DG should be manageable and laser-like.
IMO, it's preferable to wield a bit more than the .375H&H...if you can.
If not, that's OK, but just don't profess that it's generally the best choice for buffalo, 'cuz it ain't.
It's just ideal...for you. Good hunting, and good day.

Mark A Ouellette · Oct 15, 2026

SStomcat said:
And here come the usual cahoots, right on cue!

MarkOuellette — nothing meaningful to contribute, but present nonetheless.

375 Fox — ever ready to pick a fight whenever his position is challenged.

Skydiver386 — nothing meaningful to add, but unwilling to miss the gathering.

VertigoBE - MIA
And the infamous Oneday Joker — well, every circus needs its clown!

Gentlemen, thanks for showing up on cue. I was beginning to wonder when the usual suspects would arrive to lend their support. Still waiting for a meaningful contribution to the discussion, though. One would think that with so many eager participants, someone might bring an argument to the table rather than simply joining the chorus.

But then again, perhaps I shouldn't expect a substantive debate from a gathering where attendance seems to matter more than contribution.

Hmmm, Gosh I stayed out of this thread because opinions are like buttholes... You know the rest.

I had you on Ignore for several years due to your rude, condesending. uninformed know-it-all posts.
I recently took you off ignore but it seems that was a mistake. For every good, factual post you make you follow it up with your most certain opinions. Clearly you have nothing better to do than post up click-bait and then sling personal insults at people who often present facts you do not agree with. Hey, facts don't care about your feelings.

Have a nice day in your undisputed thoughts.

PS: Members such as @One Day... , @375Fox , and especially @michael458 who you've challanged and insulted in this thread are experts in the information they share on this forum. How many members would say that about you?

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

Well, goodness me! You stayed out of the thread, put me on Ignore for years, took me off, and now regret it. That’s an awful lot of effort to establish that I occupy considerably more space in your head than my posts apparently deserve.

The irony of lecturing me about being condescending while delivering a sermon on my character, intelligence, and standing in the community is simply delicious.

And thank you for the distinguished roll call of approved experts. I wasn’t aware that expressing an opinion on AfricaHunting required a letter of recommendation.

As for asking how many members consider me an expert, that’s a curious measure of whether an argument is right or wrong. Facts don’t become more factual because an expert posts them, nor less factual because an ordinary member questions them. Surely that distinction isn’t too difficult to grasp? Or is it too difficult for your head to digest ?

You’re absolutely entitled to put me back on Ignore. In fact, I’d encourage it if my posts cause you this much distress. It would spare you the temptation to keep reading, and spare the rest of us another announcement about your reading preferences.

Until then, do carry on. I’d hate for all those years of carefully cultivated resentment to go to waste.

Mark A Ouellette · Oct 15, 2026

SStomcat said:
Well, goodness me! You stayed out of the thread, put me on Ignore for years, took me off, and now regret it. That’s an awful lot of effort to establish that I occupy considerably more space in your head than my posts apparently deserve.

The irony of lecturing me about being condescending while delivering a sermon on my character, intelligence, and standing in the community is simply delicious.

And thank you for the distinguished roll call of approved experts. I wasn’t aware that expressing an opinion on AfricaHunting required a letter of recommendation.

As for asking how many members consider me an expert, that’s a curious measure of whether an argument is right or wrong. Facts don’t become more factual because an expert posts them, nor less factual because an ordinary member questions them. Surely that distinction isn’t too difficult to grasp? Or is it too difficult for your head to digest ?

You’re absolutely entitled to put me back on Ignore. In fact, I’d encourage it if my posts cause you this much distress. It would spare you the temptation to keep reading, and spare the rest of us another announcement about your reading preferences.

Until then, do carry on. I’d hate for all those years of carefully cultivated resentment to go to waste.

Well heck, I suppose I'd would not think much of you if I gave you any thought at all.

Once again, have a nice day!

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
I hadn't read pages 8-21, wow, what I missed.

Isn't the sum of your African experience two family-paid PG hunts to the same outfitter in Namibia, with a scoped Ruger No. 1 .30-06? You do realize that this is a DGR caliber thread? Have you even got a DGR of your own, and hunted buffalo with it? Why are you here? Voyeurism?

He is here to share his immense knowledge and lead the bandwagon of nay sayers, basically making a fool of himself.

"Luxury. We used to dream about a bucket gravity shower with shampoo! Of course, we had it tough. We would bathe by having a giraffe piss all over us, if we were lucky! " (Recite with Yorkshire accent.)

lol. Has anyone seen people eating roti(bread) made of grass ? I have, and have seen what poverty means.

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BTP-KennethWRoyce · Oct 15, 2026

Hunter-Habib said:
Simply put:
PROVIDED that you can handle the recoil, bigger is ALWAYS better for body shots.
Mike LaGrange explained this phenomenon perfectly in his 1990 masterpiece “Ballistics In Perspective”. Considering he has above 6000 African elephant to his credit with various calibers, I consider his words to be gospel. Every hunter needs to own a copy of this book, I believe.
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Hadn't heard of this book; interesting, thanks! I like his TABLE 10 of energy transfers, which isolates shock power from penetration (which is still vital, of course).

In his TABLE 11, I noticed a curious thing:

The 9.3x62 (even with smaller caliber and less ME, though nearly identical MVs) moved the 4mm plate over twice the distance of the .375H&H. What could account for such a counter-intuitive result?

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
As the OP asked on page 2:

Any caliber you choose for DG should be manageable and laser-like.
IMO, it's preferable to wield a bit more than the .375H&H...if you can.
If not, that's OK, but just don't profess that it's generally the best choice for buffalo, 'cuz it ain't.
It's just ideal...for you. Good hunting, and good day.

Herein lies the conundrum, my friend!

A lightweight .375 bolt-action is generally easier to carry, aim, shoot and cycle than a heavy, 470, or a .500 double, let alone a .577.

Now, if we agree on that much, the next question is whether one can realistically carry, shoot and reload those big bores as quickly and effortlessly as a .375 bolt-action.

If you reckon that’s entirely possible, or that the big bore can actually be quicker, then I’ll happily rest my case and let you have the last word!

No offence intended, my friend. Just a bit of friendly campfire debate!

skydiver386 · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Hadn't heard of this book; interesting, thanks! I like his TABLE 10 of energy transfers, which isolates shock power from penetration (which is still vital, of course).

In his TABLE 11, I noticed a curious thing:

The 9.3x62 (even with smaller caliber and less ME, though nearly identical MVs) moved the 4mm plate over twice the distance of the .375H&H. What could account for such a counter-intuitive result?

In talking with Marius Merutiu of @HUNTROMANIA, he prefers the 9.3X62 over the 375 H&H for Stags and the large Brown Bears in Romania.

His opinion is that the 9.3 at it's slightly lower velocity imparts more shock and tissue damage to these big animals.

I've heard the effect referred to as hang time by others. I can't explain it, but others have described it in detail.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

This I believe is a perfect first shot.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

skydiver386 said:
In talking with Marius Merutiu of @HUNTROMANIA, he prefers the 9.3X62 over the 375 H&H for Stags and the large Brown Bears in Romania.

His opinion is that the 9.3 at it's slightly lower velocity imparts more shock and tissue damage to these big animals.

I've heard the effect referred to as hang time by others. I can't explain it, but others have described it in detail.

I’m currently reading 9.3×62 Mauser, a book I received from a fellow member here. Fascinating stuff, particularly the accounts of how this cartridge was used during the golden age of ivory hunting. It really puts the rifle, the cartridge, and the hunters of that era into historical perspective. Quite a read for anyone interested in African hunting history!

BTP-KennethWRoyce · Oct 15, 2026

SStomcat said:
Herein lies the conundrum, my friend! A lightweight .375 bolt-action is generally easier to carry, aim, shoot and cycle than a heavy, 470, or a .500 double, let alone a .577.

Now, if we agree on that much, the next question is whether one can realistically carry, shoot and reload those big bores as quickly and effortlessly as a .375 bolt-action.

If you reckon that’s entirely possible, or that the big bore can actually be quicker, then I’ll happily rest my case and let you have the last word!

No offence intended, my friend. Just a bit of friendly campfire debate!

My .450 Dakota 76 (without scope) and 4rds weighs 10.8lbs.
Buffalo round is 500gr/2350fps.
It produces 76.8 ft-lbs Free Recoil Energy at 21.4 fps Free Recoil Velocity.
It feel about like a 10ga Mag shotgun to me. Stout, but not punishing.

I'm just under 6' and ~185lbs

sans clothes; in the field about 220lbs with daypack.

Here's a .gif file of my second shot on buffalo. The recoil and muzzle rise were not excessive. If I of average height/weight can handle a 500gr/2350fps like that, probably most hunters could if they learned how and practiced.

Of course one needs a bit of extra time to recover from it vs. a .375H&H, Newton's Law and all that.

However, IMO, the extra caliber and power are worth it to me, and the marginal quickness of a .375H&H would not be determinative in most DG scenarios.

In IPSC and other defensive handgun competitions, the shooters vastly prefer the 9x19 due to its lower recoil and speed. I've made the point in other forums that shot pairs with a .40S&W would take only 0.05 seconds longer (half an eyeblink), and a 10mm only 0.10 seconds longer (an eyeblink). Those 9mm gamers are so focused on speed at all else that they skimp on power. I'd rather have a .40 or 10mm in a gunfight; the half- or full-eyeblink of speed penalty won't make any difference.

When I waggishly admonish the 9mm Boyz to forsake it for the smaller .30SS because it's even faster to wield, they clam up because I've exposed their fallacious doctrine.

DVC (Power, Accuracy, Speed) is a formula of balance. I think most could effectively wield the next size up in calibers, and should. Now, admittedly, at some point too much Power (.577?) will compromise Speed and Accuracy, but for me, my .450 Dakota load is not even close to that. I don't load it to its 500gr/2550fps capability for that reason.

Thanks for the question; I hope I've clearly explained myself. Good day.

One Day... · Oct 15, 2026

And here we go again...........

Where is this coming from !?!?!?

dchum was actually quite generous in quoting only three of this sad character's wanderings:

SStomcat said:
yes old man, when I know Im much younger than you.What is ur problem?

SStomcat said:
To me, you’re a wannabe hunter who shoots what you like.....

SStomcat said:
you’re just too obnoxiously dumb to recognize it.

There were plenty other niceties along the way:

SStomcat said:
Unwanted thought, irrerelavant to my post.

SStomcat said:
No one is confused except perhaps yourself.

SStomcat said:
Talking to you is like talking to a wall at least a wall has the good sense to stay quiet when it has nothing intelligent to add.

SStomcat said:
You really are a class act- "one of a kind", really.

You are persona non grata in this thread, yet you keep coming back with your self-professed wisdom, apparently unable to resist rubbing it in.
...
Do yourself a favor stay away. No one is waiting for your next contribution, and trust me, you won’t be missed. ROFL

SStomcat said:
See what an unscrupulous person you are, digging for others information and hiding your own profile.

SStomcat said:
Just don’t turn this thread into a sales pitch for your personal bullet preferences when the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with bullets.

There are plenty of threads for that. No need to sneak the marketing campaign into this one.

SStomcat said:
Good, I hope you get bored and leave the people who want to discuss something productive alone.

SStomcat said:
If that’s all it takes to earn the label, then apparently “trolling” now just means not agreeing with you.

SStomcat said:
I thought you were a gentleman, boy I was wrong. I do remember some instances of you complaining and people talking about your condascending behaviour.

But my personal favorite was directed at me:

SStomcat said:
It’s actually quite impressive you manage to sound supremely confident while being spectacularly clueless.

From the guy who said:

SStomcat said:
A .375 with a solid for the Tiny Ten? Nothing quite says subtle and proportionate like bringing a buffalo rifle to something that weighs less than the rifle itself.
You don’t need a 375 for that.

And also said:

SStomcat said:
Those tusks looks impressive. The lower one approx 60 pounds each or more?

Talk about being clueless about African hunting...

But truth be told, to me the most interesting post, also addressed to me, was

SStomcat said:
I’d say we both win and that’s probably the best outcome of all.

Here is finally revealed the true purpose of the entire clickbait troll: SStomcat wants to win the argument.

All of the above are hereby explained...

I happily forgo the shared 'win' granted to me (!?!?!?), as 'winning' never crosses my mind when trying to help members by answering their questions honestly and sharing actual knowledge and experience accumulated from decades of shooting the big guns, collecting over 40 PG African species, hunting 4 of the Big 5 DG (Rhino is out of my financial league), bagging 3 of them (blank on Leopard so far), and deferring to the factual record of the professionals of today and yesterday.

This is not about 'winning', this is about helping. This is not about obsessing about having the last word, as SStomcat cannot help but come back to in his last post (#510) as I write this.

My motivation? Simple, the more hunters we help go to Africa, the longer African hunting will exist.

I have no idea what earned me this latest aggression, but since we are at it again, I will, at last, share my opinion: you are a very uninteresting person, SStomcat, and your behavior is a shame to African Hunting.com.

You owe an excuse to Mark A Ouellette, 375Fox, skydiver386, VertigoBE, and we could add dchum,
IvW, Tanks, etc. etc. and all who were patronized, lectured, demeaned, or insulted.

Even though, as your last post (#510) - as I write this - shows, you have apparently learned from this thread, and yes, even from me it seems.

Tanks · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
In IPSC and other defensive handgun competitions, the shooters vastly prefer the 9x19 due to its lower recoil and speed. I've made the point in other forums that shot pairs with a .40S&W would take only 0.05 seconds longer (half an eyeblink), and a 10mm only 0.10 seconds longer (an eyeblink). Those 9mm gamers are so focused on speed at all else that they skimp on power.

Hmmm, in IPSC and its US equivalent USPSA .40 and 9mm are in different categories for the most part. I shoot limited in .40S&W with a 2011. Also, scoring is different in that a hit in the A zone is 5 points for Limited shooters and 4 points for production gun shooters (9 mm).

Recoil is actually less than 9mm due to heavier gun. Here is a video from a while back.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

One Day... said:
And here we go again...........

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Where is this coming from !?!?!?

dchum was actually quite generous in quoting only three of this sad character's wanderings:

There were plenty other niceties along the way:

But my personal favorite was directed at me:

From the guy who said:

And also said:

Talk about being clueless about African hunting...

But truth be told, to me the most interesting post, also addressed to me, was

Here is finally revealed the true purpose of the entire clickbait troll: SStomcat wants to win the argument.

All of the above are hereby explained...

I happily forgo the shared 'win' granted to me (!?!?!?), as 'winning' never crosses my mind when trying to help members by answering their questions honestly and sharing actual knowledge and experience accumulated from decades of shooting the big guns, collecting over 40 PG African species, hunting 4 of the Big 5 DG (Rhino is out of my financial league), bagging 3 of them (blank on Leopard so far), and deferring to the factual record of the professionals of today and yesterday.

This is not about 'winning', this is about helping. This is not about obsessing about having the last word, as SStomcat cannot help but come back to in his last post (#510) as I write this.

My motivation? Simple, the more hunters we help go to Africa, the longer African hunting will exist.

I have no idea what earned me this latest aggression, but since we are at it again, I will, at last, share my opinion: you are a very uninteresting person, SStomcat, and your behavior is a shame to African Hunting.com.

You owe an excuse to Mark A Ouellette, 375Fox, skydiver386, VertigoBE, and we could add dchum,
IvW, Tanks, etc. etc. and all who were patronized, lectured, demeaned, or insulted.

Even though, as your last post (#510) - as I write this - shows, you have apparently learned from this thread, and yes, even from me it seems.

Your résumé is impressive. Forty plus African PG species, four of the Big Five hunted, and decades of experience with big bores. Nobody needs to dispute any of that to question an argument you make.

In fact, **the greater the expertise, the greater the accountability and responsibility that ought to accompany it.** Experience should encourage humility, not become a shield against scrutiny or a credential to silence disagreement.

As for the experts whose knowledge I genuinely respect and before whom I'm happy to take a bow, Rookhawk and Red Leg come to mind. They don't need to remind everyone of their credentials or compile a list of their accomplishments to establish their credibility. Their contributions speak for themselves.

That's the kind of expertise I respect not because I necessarily agree with everything they say, but because knowledge, experience, and the willingness to engage constructively matter far more than a résumé.

Unlike some, I don't profess to be a self-styled expert, nor do I pretend to know everything there is to know about African hunting. I know there are things I don't know, and I'm perfectly comfortable admitting that. I also know that no matter how intelligent, experienced, or knowledgeable a person may be, there will always be something beyond their understanding.

I don't particularly care how smart you are or how much you know. What matters to me is whether an argument stands on its own merits. Knowledge deserves respect, but it doesn't automatically make every opinion correct, and experience certainly doesn't grant anyone a monopoly on the truth.

**A genuine expert should be confident enough to have his views challenged without treating the person doing the challenging as an affront to his credentials.** That's the difference between sharing knowledge and expecting deference.

This is a discussion forum, not a hierarchy in which years of experience determine who gets the last word.

SStomcat · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
My .450 Dakota 76 (without scope) and 4rds weighs 10.8lbs.
Buffalo round is 500gr/2350fps.
It produces 76.8 ft-lbs Free Recoil Energy at 21.4 fps Free Recoil Velocity.
It feel about like a 10ga Mag shotgun to me. Stout, but not punishing.

I'm just under 6' and ~185lbsView attachment 800173 sans clothes; in the field about 220lbs with daypack.

Here's a .gif file of my second shot on buffalo. The recoil and muzzle rise were not excessive. If I of average height/weight can handle a 500gr/2350fps like that, probably most hunters could if they learned how and practiced.

Of course one needs a bit of extra time to recover from it vs. a .375H&H, Newton's Law and all that.

However, IMO, the extra caliber and power are worth it to me, and the marginal quickness of a .375H&H would not be determinative in most DG scenarios.

Agreed. My curiosity was more about the really big big guns the .500s, .577s, and the like. I don't own any and, frankly, probably never will. In my book or for me, big-bore country begins and ends with the .470 NE.

For the fun of it, I've put a few dozen rounds through a .500 at the range, and honestly, I couldn't discern a difference. Perhaps my shoulder failed to appreciate the distinctions :E Lol:

But you have some seriously good shooting out there, congrats and salud

One Day... · Oct 15, 2026

SStomcat said:
Your résumé is impressive. Forty plus African PG species, four of the Big Five hunted, and decades of experience with big bores. Nobody needs to dispute any of that to question an argument you make.

In fact, **the greater the expertise, the greater the accountability and responsibility that ought to accompany it.** Experience should encourage humility, not become a shield against scrutiny or a credential to silence disagreement.

As for the experts whose knowledge I genuinely respect and before whom I'm happy to take a bow, Rookhawk and Red Leg come to mind. They don't need to remind everyone of their credentials or compile a list of their accomplishments to establish their credibility. Their contributions speak for themselves.

That's the kind of expertise I respect not because I necessarily agree with everything they say, but because knowledge, experience, and the willingness to engage constructively matter far more than a résumé.

Unlike some, I don't profess to be a self-styled expert, nor do I pretend to know everything there is to know about African hunting. I know there are things I don't know, and I'm perfectly comfortable admitting that. I also know that no matter how intelligent, experienced, or knowledgeable a person may be, there will always be something beyond their understanding.

I don't particularly care how smart you are or how much you know. What matters to me is whether an argument stands on its own merits. Knowledge deserves respect, but it doesn't automatically make every opinion correct, and experience certainly doesn't grant anyone a monopoly on the truth.

**A genuine expert should be confident enough to have his views challenged without treating the person doing the challenging as an affront to his credentials.** That's the difference between sharing knowledge and expecting deference.

This is a discussion forum, not a hierarchy in which years of experience determine who gets the last word.

Do not try to sermonize your way to the higher ground through once again lecturing, patronizing, lessons-giving, arrogant condescending, etc. SStomcat, it does not work anymore. People have seen you, for who you really are.

You say that "knowledge, experience, and the willingness to engage constructively matter far more than a résumé." That is exactly what we ALL gave you for 25 pages, when you constantly berated knowledge, experience, and the willingness to engage constructively, that did not match your preconceived conclusion.

You may not have noticed that the 'résumé' only came after you repeatedly called me "spectacularly clueless", "confused", "irrelevant", with "nothing intelligent to add", and finally a "clown".

The humility was in NOT putting the accomplishments forward at the beginning of the thread. None of us did. The accountability, credibility, and responsibility for the arguments presented is to back them up, when questioned, with, precisely, the accomplishments.

You want credentials? I am going to give you credentials. The folks you like to ridicule, they went to Africa. Most of us many times. Did you? They killed elephant and buffalo. Most of us several times. Did you? As to me, whom you call "infamous joker" I also completed successfully the South Africa Professional Hunter Practical Exam, and I have the certificate to prove it. How does that strike you for a joke?

You ARE precisely a 'self-styled expert'. All you do is profess your armchair God-given truth. You have exactly zero credential, zero training, zero expertise, zero experience of DG hunting or DG rifles, yet you strut around in "your" thread, distributing magnanimous merit points, scolding demerits, and groveling the occasional brownie point, all while attempting to suppress through insult anyone whom you perceive may challenge you.

And stop attempting to court favors by playing referee between AH members. You may not know it, but Red Leg and I are friends who share a lot of respect for each other and each other's posts, and happily agree that we have different perspectives, both perfectly valid, mostly due to our different personal preferences, which we mutually respect.

You are the only one here who is not "confident enough to have his views challenged without treating the person doing the challenging as an affront to his credentials", and the reason is very simple, you have zero credential.

You are pathetic, and do not come crying because after sowing the wind repeatedly, again, and again, and again, you now finally reap the whirlwind. Here comes YOUR accountability. You just went one step too far with your last shenanigan. What do you believe, that no one will dare confront you?

And please stop talking about respect. Start practicing it instead.

Ah, but yes, getting the last word, THAT is really important to you...

Since you have already been playing with yourself quite a bit in this thread, now go fly a kite.

Red Leg · Oct 15, 2026

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:
Hadn't heard of this book; interesting, thanks! I like his TABLE 10 of energy transfers, which isolates shock power from penetration (which is still vital, of course).

In his TABLE 11, I noticed a curious thing:

The 9.3x62 (even with smaller caliber and less ME, though nearly identical MVs) moved the 4mm plate over twice the distance of the .375H&H. What could account for such a counter-intuitive result?

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