First Focal Plane vs Second for Plains Game

I have all FFP on all my LR hunting rifles, I use the reticle for wind holds and dial for distance. Illumination is a must on FFP.

All my scopes are Mil too, not a fan of MOA. If I need to dial 2.3 mil for a shot its 23 clicks, pretty easy...
Yup.
 
Why do you need Mil's. Inch's are just as useable when adjusting and finer. Just depends on what you are used to is my take.

Agreed,
I only own SFP scopes using Moa. From my first Nikko Stirling scope to some newer better scopes it’s what I have had all along.

The one exception is a Zeiss Diavari that has 1 centimetre clicks. Not as fine as I would like but it’s great glass for hunting and after it’s sighted on paper I don’t have a fine reference point to compare the point of impact.

I attended a long range training course and used a loaner FFP with a grid reticle. I had considered the finer adjustments comparison. Side note, There are a few scopes with 0.05mil adjustment in expensive models. To us 5mm at 100m is finer than 1/4moa or 1/4” at 100 yards.

Probably an advantage for fly shooters and F class etc if you can do your part.

My target shooting is between 100 and 200m so there may be some slight gain in precision but ours is a casual comp among SSAA members.
 
I watched a couple of YouTube videos last night.

Ron Sooner was one and I don’t recall the other channel as I had not watched it before AI content, but well explained.

These both explained some thing common that we have heard or do but it gave me a better appreciation of it.

They talked about trajectory, Zeroing at 25, point blank range etc.

They said army practice is to use 25 , Navy use 36yards and hunter’s might get on paper at 25 then take it further. I was told some Full Bore shooters would “Centreline” at 25 then the .308 would be close at the 300 yards mark (elevation)

The guts of the story was Jack O’Connor and others used the ~ 2-1/2” high at 100 principle for many cartridges because the rise and fall and point of impact is between 100 and maybe 250-300 is still within the kill zone of a deer or can still land a shot on a paper plate in that range.

That can probably be applied to the Plains Game scenario. Ron Spomer actually had an African PH on that particular video and of course he was saying they use range finding binoculars etc and are there to guide you on the shot.

The other point mentioned was in the days of Jack O’Connor this worked for varying distance within reason when they did not have range finders etc. I think in those days a fixed 4x scope was probably common with nowhere near the options we have now.

With all the right gear , knowledge and skills we can expect to be more precise with shot placement but on a plains game hunt a second focal plain scope and some basic data you can still make ethical shots.

Targeting Baboons at long range is where the FFP scope, technology or at least knowledge will become an advantage
 
I watched a couple of YouTube videos last night.

Ron Sooner was one and I don’t recall the other channel as I had not watched it before AI content, but well explained.

These both explained some thing common that we have heard or do but it gave me a better appreciation of it.

They talked about trajectory, Zeroing at 25, point blank range etc.

They said army practice is to use 25 , Navy use 36yards and hunter’s might get on paper at 25 then take it further. I was told some Full Bore shooters would “Centreline” at 25 then the .308 would be close at the 300 yards mark (elevation)

The guts of the story was Jack O’Connor and others used the ~ 2-1/2” high at 100 principle for many cartridges because the rise and fall and point of impact is between 100 and maybe 250-300 is still within the kill zone of a deer or can still land a shot on a paper plate in that range.

That can probably be applied to the Plains Game scenario. Ron Spomer actually had an African PH on that particular video and of course he was saying they use range finding binoculars etc and are there to guide you on the shot.

The other point mentioned was in the days of Jack O’Connor this worked for varying distance within reason when they did not have range finders etc. I think in those days a fixed 4x scope was probably common with nowhere near the options we have now.

With all the right gear , knowledge and skills we can expect to be more precise with shot placement but on a plains game hunt a second focal plain scope and some basic data you can still make ethical shots.

Targeting Baboons at long range is where the FFP scope, technology or at least knowledge will become an advantage
You are correct
2.5 high is like zeroing at 170m

@100. Your +1.44
@200 your -1.8
@300 -13.56

Vs

With a 100m 0
200 -4.9
300 -17.88

300 would still be a not intuitive shot other than your holdoff point would maube be the top of the back for a shoulder shot
 
300 would still be a not intuitive shot other than your holdoff point would maube be the top of the back for a shoulder shot
Thanks,

And your last point fits with the old saying “ aim on Hair , not on Air)
 
How about we clarify the original question? What do you mean by "for plains game"?
 
How about we clarify the original question? What do you mean by "for plains game"?
That could mean a lot of things but it’s n the Africa Hunting forum I think the OP can generalise on what they are or the type of hunting they are intending to do.
 
If its for general plains game and not some specialty like a springbok cull hunt etc. Then I think a FFP 3-18 scope with a Christmas tree reticle is the last thing a PH wants to see on a client rifle. Most PHs if they are being honest would say two negatives about the average first timer. First is they take too long to get on the sticks and find the animal in the scope, and two they have the scope turned up too far most of the time. Keep it simple, a low powered variable SFP with a duplex or even a fixed 4X.
 
Ok so I have yet to hunt plains game, but do regularly hunt deer at ranges of 50- 250m (max 320m v rarely). I use a SFP 4-16 x 56mm, with BDC turret, scope with illuminated dot.

Now I am considering a separate FFP, but this would be for longer mountain hunt on ibex etc, where I feel the Christmas tree reticule might be useful in quick holdovers. I do also use rf binos.

I think unless it’s extended range with windy conditions- a SFP would probably be better suited.
 
personaly use them. But there not for everyone

This is a great answer. Ive converted to FFP Mil scopes with adjustable turrets for all my non short range rifles and I love it. My friends think its stupid. Its only realy useful if youre going to shoot ranges that require dialing elevation. Ive killed game at close range with mine, that does require good reticle design.
 
I used to be a keep it simple sfp guy. I live close to a guy who owns a outfitter in Colorado, who is a very smart guy and talking to him and going to the range with him I'm a ffp guy now. Alot of info on a ffp scope, if you can spot your impact, either hit or miss all the info you need for a quick fallow up shot is in the reticle. A ffp was a difference maker on my ibex hunt, i couldn't imagine doing that hunt without ffp scope.
Now as much as i like the ffp and switched several rifles over to them do i think they are right for every situation, no. If i 100% know im going to be in thick brush or dark timber i would probably use a sfp in that situation, but the reticle i would choose is ffp like in case of a long range shot.
My 308, 6.5x55 and 6.5prc all have vortex razor hd lht 4.5-22x50. I never made a shot at the range or the field past 18 power. My 300win,7mm mag and 338win are going to be switched to either vortex viper hd 3-15x44 with vmr-3 reticle or a vx5 with a similar reticle.
Now a simple answer to your question, where i hunted in RSA i see no need for a ffp scope, lot of brush, videos i seen of more open areas yes why not.
 
Ok so I have yet to hunt plains game, but do regularly hunt deer at ranges of 50- 250m (max 320m v rarely). I use a SFP 4-16 x 56mm, with BDC turret, scope with illuminated dot.

Now I am considering a separate FFP, but this would be for longer mountain hunt on ibex etc, where I feel the Christmas tree reticule might be useful in quick holdovers. I do also use rf binos.

I think unless it’s extended range with windy conditions- a SFP would probably be better suited.
Thsre both just different ways to cut the same onion assuming reticles are the same.
Ie some form of mil/moa reticle vs a simple duplex
 
On last years trip to Eastern Cape I took my CA .300 WM with March 3-24x50 FFP scope. Honestly I couldn't have asked for a better plains game rig for that area, only two shots were under 200 yards, a warthog I took with my cz .416 and the cape buff.

Guide ranged all the other shots and I dialled up.....longest being the Kudu at 435 yards.

It was personally interesting to me as the Eastern Cape was not what I had ingrained in my brain Africa was like due to all the you tube hunts in Africa I had watched prior.
 
If anyone is looking for a classic hunting scope with good glass in FFP and mils there are not a ton of options out there. But I went with the Schmidt & Bender Klassik. Swaro have finally added MRAD options on their Z5+ line for those of us that prefer that, but they are still going to be a SFP scope.
 
I like a SPF with old school mil dot reticle a lot. Its simple and useful. Very practical for normal usage with some long range thrown in.
 

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