One Stop Shop NEW LEFTY Heym 89B .450/400 3" w/ ammo, bullets, reloading supplies, extras

I'm sure a lefty will come along at some point. As the seller would know, we are picky, and most of us that don't settle for right-handed equipment realize we are forced to custom build it, so most don't search the internet for something like this. I still think someone that wants to experience the magic of a finely crafted double but doesn't want the weight and bulk of a larger framed gun nor needs a dedicated stopping round, this is a perfect option with some old school nostalgia.
 
mcd said:
I'm sure a lefty will come along at some point. As the seller would know, we are picky, and most of us that don't settle for right-handed equipment realize we are forced to custom build it, so most don't search the internet for something like this. I still think someone that wants to experience the magic of a finely crafted double but doesn't want the weight and bulk of a larger framed gun nor needs a dedicated stopping round, this is a perfect option with some old school nostalgia.
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I've sold 3 Heyms in my life and my son has sold one. Average time on market was 2 weeks. (all righties) Left-handism in all its forms is roughly 11% of the population, but even some of those are right eye dominant or just shoot righty. So lets say 5% of the market. 1/20th of the market. Let us assume that it takes 20x longer to sell a lefty gun in that case. So instead of 2 weeks, it should take 40 weeks.

This rifle has been marketed for 54 weeks, so clearly there is something about lefty buyers that is different than right handed buyers. We can't blame it on being a Heym, one of the easiest rifles to sell and the one that holds its value better than all others. Also the least expensive truly reliable, professional grade double rifle ever made.
 
A fellow lefty and experienced in exchanging left hand, best quality rifles for cash. It takes a long time and the resulting price is far below what a righty will command. I still have some best quality rifles and shotgun sets that will trade for a fraction of what I paid to have built. Just the way the market works. If I had a do over in life, I would have just kept shooting right hand rifles. Worked like a charm for the first half of my life when I was poor and did not know any better. I can still work a right hand bolt as quickly as a left.
 
rookhawk said:
I've sold 3 Heyms in my life and my son has sold one. Average time on market was 2 weeks. (all righties) Left-handism in all its forms is roughly 11% of the population, but even some of those are right eye dominant or just shoot righty. So lets say 5% of the market. 1/20th of the market. Let us assume that it takes 20x longer to sell a lefty gun in that case. So instead of 2 weeks, it should take 40 weeks.

This rifle has been marketed for 54 weeks, so clearly there is something about lefty buyers that is different than right handed buyers. We can't blame it on being a Heym, one of the easiest rifles to sell and the one that holds its value better than all others. Also the least expensive truly reliable, professional grade double rifle ever made.
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Not disputing any of that for sure. Just saying that most of us acquiesce to building from scratch, and yes, of course there are fewer of us. As an example, if I were to venture into the double game, even though I personally have no "need" to, even though I think they are fantastic for their intended purpose and would love to have one, I wouldn't even think to search the classifieds. That makes your scaling above on timing even more difficult to predict. I hadn't realized it's been over a year already. I'm actually a bit shocked by that.

Is it possible that most will be looking for .474" plus for their first double? Maybe so, and I suppose that could play into it as well for at least reducing the pool of candidates further to someone with at least one double already. Nevertheless, it's a shame to see such a nice rifle in limbo and worthy of continued bumps to get it front and center on the forum list.
 
rookhawk said:
I've sold 3 Heyms in my life and my son has sold one. Average time on market was 2 weeks. (all righties) Left-handism in all its forms is roughly 11% of the population, but even some of those are right eye dominant or just shoot righty. So lets say 5% of the market. 1/20th of the market. Let us assume that it takes 20x longer to sell a lefty gun in that case. So instead of 2 weeks, it should take 40 weeks.

This rifle has been marketed for 54 weeks, so clearly there is something about lefty buyers that is different than right handed buyers. We can't blame it on being a Heym, one of the easiest rifles to sell and the one that holds its value better than all others. Also the least expensive truly reliable, professional grade double rifle ever made.
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Agree with Rookhawk but at some point price has to come into this. $42K is apparently too much. Please remember while I know economics say it is not the cost but what is the market willing to bare…it appears not this asking price. Just me as much as I respect Heym and this appears to be an awesome riffle it is too high. As an example look back at the Heym @rookhawk sold that had incredible engraving an incredible once in a lifetime rifle…I believe it went for somewhere between $32k to $36k and just me no disrespect to the seller a much nicer rifle. Just my perspective having owned 8 DRs. GLWS!!!
 
rookhawk said:
I've sold 3 Heyms in my life and my son has sold one. Average time on market was 2 weeks. (all righties) Left-handism in all its forms is roughly 11% of the population, but even some of those are right eye dominant or just shoot righty. So lets say 5% of the market. 1/20th of the market. Let us assume that it takes 20x longer to sell a lefty gun in that case. So instead of 2 weeks, it should take 40 weeks.

This rifle has been marketed for 54 weeks, so clearly there is something about lefty buyers that is different than right handed buyers. We can't blame it on being a Heym, one of the easiest rifles to sell and the one that holds its value better than all others. Also the least expensive truly reliable, professional grade double rifle ever made.
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I’ll disagree with part of your math. Some right handers are left eye dominant and shoot lefty so that mostly cancels out the lefty’s who shoot right.

But the rest of the logic holds.
 
What would this rifle cost if you ordered it new?
 
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farmer_john said:
Pardon my ignorance but how is a double rifle left or right handed?
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The cheek piece is on the other side and the stock has cast to be minted form that side. Also the triggers are set up differently to make the front trigger easier to access from the opposite side. In some cases the top lever actually moves the opposite direction.
 
Cme1983 said:
I’m a lefty and would buy it but it’s a price issue. It’s way overpriced for what it is.
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I’d agree the rifle isn’t discounted to any material degree by current pricing, but can’t agree that it’s ‘way overpriced for what it is.” I know the border scroll and nice grade 5 like wood rifles delivered this spring, ordered almost 3 years prior set the folks receiving them back right around $35k-$37k.

Looking at this rifle and Heym’s pricing list on options, there is at least 820 euro upgrade, if the jump is just 5 to 7, then border scroll is 625 euro which this gun is class II engraved which is 2530 euro, so add 1905, then color case hardening is additional 1980 euros and includes finish on all small parts. So before the cost for gold lettering on bottom/sides of the frame and any in the sights, that’s 4,705 euros in additions.

I honestly don’t know how much the gold on the frame costs, my recollection when talking through a build with Sells in September was around $5k but he seems to round things when adding. I know from Heyms pricing that just having gold lines and the 50 YDS and 100 YDS in little gold lettering is 704 euros, so I can’t say that a $5k number is that far off, but even if we cut it in half to $2,500, you are over the asking pricing ignoring the reloading and time savings.

Figure base rifle today at $35k + 4,705 euros = $5,385 for engraving, wood, case coloring + $2,500 for gold inlays, you are looking at $42,885. Then a not so insignificant amount of reloading supplies gained, and extended wait time saved. So, while not the deal of the year, not really way overpriced. I really do think it comes down to the limited market as a left-handed double. It’s the kind of rifle that will take time to sell…clearly so.

If it were right handed, it would have sold by now…I can absolutely guarantee it.

I love the wood and upgrades he selected, and would love to own and hunt the rifle. If it were right handed and close to LOP for me (admit I didn’t look to see what it was since it’s irrelevant being LH) I’d most likely have bought this rifle earlier this year if not already sold. If RH, unfired and mint one popped up today identical to it, I’d likely buy it and sell my 89b 450/400, which is a wonderful mint rifle as well, just doesn’t have the case colors and knock out wood this one has. And I’d like Class II engraving to match my beloved 450NE.

So, I don’t know the seller, no stake in the deal at all, and therefore don’t really care if it sells at all, just trying to point out that the price it not way out of line with what you will pay ordering the same thing…just the wait. That said, it is still a wrong handed rifle for vast majority of shoppers, it’s been here a bit, at some point it likely needs more exposure on Gunsinternational or somewhere with more than how many ever left handed double shooters we have on this forum
 
Wildwillalaska said:
I’d agree the rifle isn’t discounted to any material degree by current pricing, but can’t agree that it’s ‘way overpriced for what it is.” I know the border scroll and nice grade 5 like wood rifles delivered this spring, ordered almost 3 years prior set the folks receiving them back right around $35k-$37k.

Looking at this rifle and Heym’s pricing list on options, there is at least 820 euro upgrade, if the jump is just 5 to 7, then border scroll is 625 euro which this gun is class II engraved which is 2530 euro, so add 1905, then color case hardening is additional 1980 euros and includes finish on all small parts. So before the cost for gold lettering on bottom/sides of the frame and any in the sights, that’s 4,705 euros in additions.

I honestly don’t know how much the gold on the frame costs, my recollection when talking through a build with Sells in September was around $5k but he seems to round things when adding. I know from Heyms pricing that just having gold lines and the 50 YDS and 100 YDS in little gold lettering is 704 euros, so I can’t say that a $5k number is that far off, but even if we cut it in half to $2,500, you are over the asking pricing ignoring the reloading and time savings.

Figure base rifle today at $35k + 4,705 euros = $5,385 for engraving, wood, case coloring + $2,500 for gold inlays, you are looking at $42,885. Then a not so insignificant amount of reloading supplies gained, and extended wait time saved. So, while not the deal of the year, not really way overpriced. I really do think it comes down to the limited market as a left-handed double. It’s the kind of rifle that will take time to sell…clearly so.

If it were right handed, it would have sold by now…I can absolutely guarantee it.

I love the wood and upgrades he selected, and would love to own and hunt the rifle. If it were right handed and close to LOP for me (admit I didn’t look to see what it was since it’s irrelevant being LH) I’d most likely have bought this rifle earlier this year if not already sold. If RH, unfired and mint one popped up today identical to it, I’d likely buy it and sell my 89b 450/400, which is a wonderful mint rifle as well, just doesn’t have the case colors and knock out wood this one has. And I’d like Class II engraving to match my beloved 450NE.

So, I don’t know the seller, no stake in the deal at all, and therefore don’t really care if it sells at all, just trying to point out that the price it not way out of line with what you will pay ordering the same thing…just the wait. That said, it is still a wrong handed rifle for vast majority of shoppers, it’s been here a bit, at some point it likely needs more exposure on Gunsinternational or somewhere with more than how many ever left handed double shooters we have on this forum
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Your post is an appraisal based upon A.) Replacement Cost, and B.) Compression of time.

The alternative appraisal option would be C.) What's worth more, a lefty Heym, or D.) A Heym converted to Righty and then deeply discounted for the fact that the cheekpiece is removed and the triggers are turned to the right?

Lefties guns are extremely hard to sell at any price, contrary to all the lefties on this forum that say otherwise but buy infrequently. There is no such thing as a collector lefty gun at any price, unfortunately. Lefty guns are functional tools for a narrow band of the population, just like central vision cast guns and crossover stocks.
 
I absolutely do not disagree…

I don’t see it proving feasible to swap this to a right-handed model. The triggers and mechanics are not all that cost prohibitive, but still additional costs and time and sending the rifle about. The stock is something that would prove most costly and time consuming. As gorgeous as it is, it’s just not a realistic means into a beautiful Heym over ordering a new rifle to your specs for right handed folks.

Ralph Martini had a left-handed 89b buttstock listed reasonably on his website for a couple years now. Not sure where it’s at presently or who is handling the remaining items with him now at H&W, but making a righty a lefty would prove an easier alternative with that stock than vice versa.
 
And I don’t think replacement cost on an unfired 89b deviates from far from market value. It’s not Ruger M77 or Honda Accord where you can stroll into your local dealer and look over multiple examples of on hand stock, where inventory far exceeds demand.

It’s the complete opposite scenario. Even comparing to 88b rifles, you’ll see multiple come to market for each 89b.

Compression of time, didn’t add anything for that only referencing its potential value since the wait time is saved.

Again, those aspects are lost if someone tried to convert to a right handed gun.
 
Wildwillalaska said:
I’d agree the rifle isn’t discounted to any material degree by current pricing, but can’t agree that it’s ‘way overpriced for what it is.” I know the border scroll and nice grade 5 like wood rifles delivered this spring, ordered almost 3 years prior set the folks receiving them back right around $35k-$37k.

Looking at this rifle and Heym’s pricing list on options, there is at least 820 euro upgrade, if the jump is just 5 to 7, then border scroll is 625 euro which this gun is class II engraved which is 2530 euro, so add 1905, then color case hardening is additional 1980 euros and includes finish on all small parts. So before the cost for gold lettering on bottom/sides of the frame and any in the sights, that’s 4,705 euros in additions.

I honestly don’t know how much the gold on the frame costs, my recollection when talking through a build with Sells in September was around $5k but he seems to round things when adding. I know from Heyms pricing that just having gold lines and the 50 YDS and 100 YDS in little gold lettering is 704 euros, so I can’t say that a $5k number is that far off, but even if we cut it in half to $2,500, you are over the asking pricing ignoring the reloading and time savings.

Figure base rifle today at $35k + 4,705 euros = $5,385 for engraving, wood, case coloring + $2,500 for gold inlays, you are looking at $42,885. Then a not so insignificant amount of reloading supplies gained, and extended wait time saved. So, while not the deal of the year, not really way overpriced. I really do think it comes down to the limited market as a left-handed double. It’s the kind of rifle that will take time to sell…clearly so.

If it were right handed, it would have sold by now…I can absolutely guarantee it.

I love the wood and upgrades he selected, and would love to own and hunt the rifle. If it were right handed and close to LOP for me (admit I didn’t look to see what it was since it’s irrelevant being LH) I’d most likely have bought this rifle earlier this year if not already sold. If RH, unfired and mint one popped up today identical to it, I’d likely buy it and sell my 89b 450/400, which is a wonderful mint rifle as well, just doesn’t have the case colors and knock out wood this one has. And I’d like Class II engraving to match my beloved 450NE.

So, I don’t know the seller, no stake in the deal at all, and therefore don’t really care if it sells at all, just trying to point out that the price it not way out of line with what you will pay ordering the same thing…just the wait. That said, it is still a wrong handed rifle for vast majority of shoppers, it’s been here a bit, at some point it likely needs more exposure on Gunsinternational or somewhere with more than how many ever left handed double shooters we have on this forum
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Good and fair analysis here I have to admit. It also goes to show what an incredible bargain, @rookhawk 's rifle was!!!! His animal engraving was just incredible!!!
 
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