Politics

Tubby’s Canteen said:

Are any of the other First Ladies active politicians in their own right?

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Should it matter?

Aaron N said:

Should it matter?

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depends on the context.. and depends on the line of questioning..

Epstien was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution in 2009 and then indited for federal sex crimes in 2019..

Trump ended his relationship with Epstien in 2004 and banned him from Mar-a-largo in 2007.. He married Melania in 2005.. so she wasnt a celebrity wife (thats all Trump was at the time) until after Epstien was already PNG in Trumps world..

Hillary on the other hand became Secretary of State in January 2009 and continued to have a relationship with Epstien (as did her husband) well after he was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution later that same year.. there are also photos of her and Epstien dating as far back as 1993 while her husband was the serving President of the United States.. confirming a relationship with Epstien while her husband was in power..

I'd say there is a stark difference between Melanias situation, and Hillarys..

mdwest said:

depends on the context.. and depends on the line of questioning..

Epstien was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution in 2009 and then indited for federal sex crimes in 2019..

Trump ended his relationship with Epstien in 2004 and banned him from Mar-a-largo in 2007.. He married Melania in 2005.. so she wasnt a celebrity wife (thats all Trump was at the time) until after Epstien was already PNG in Trumps world..

Hillary on the other hand became Secretary of State in January 2009 and continued to have a relationship with Epstien (as did her husband) well after he was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution later that same year.. there are also photos of her and Epstien dating as far back as 1993 while her husband was the serving President of the United States.. confirming a relationship with Epstien while her husband was in power..

I'd say there is a stark difference between Melanias situation, and Hillarys..

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I say bring in every person named and let the world burn around them

Aaron N said:

Nooooooo of course not. I just feel if one has to, they all should. You know, being fair and all.

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None of the other first ladies went on to be a corrupt Secretary of State, presidential candidate, or one of the architects of the Steele Dossier.
When it comes to first ladies, there has never been a more vile sack of shit then Hillary.

how are you going to bring in Elvis?

There are literally thousands of people named in the files.. most are mentioned casually and have exactly zero to do with any relationship or interaction with Maxwell or Epstien.. many were literally dead for years before they were mentioned.. many are mentioned completely out of context of any other conversation..

The files are available online now.. word search Melania.. see the context in which she is mentioned. see the context in which Trump is mentioned.. and then determine if shes actually a person of any interest for any reason whatsoever... (the answer is a clear "no" if you read the files)..

Brent in Az said:

None of the other first ladies went on to be a corrupt Secretary of State, presidential candidate, or one of the architects of the Steele Dossier.
When it comes to first ladies, there has never been a more vile sack of shit then Hillary.

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Is your life insurance paid up?

mdwest said:

depends on the context.. and depends on the line of questioning..

Epstien was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution in 2009 and then indited for federal sex crimes in 2019..

Trump ended his relationship with Epstien in 2004 and banned him from Mar-a-largo in 2007.. He married Melania in 2005.. so she wasnt a celebrity wife (thats all Trump was at the time) until after Epstien was already PNG in Trumps world..

Hillary on the other hand became Secretary of State in January 2009 and continued to have a relationship with Epstien (as did her husband) well after he was indited for soliciting a minor for Prostitution later that same year.. there are also photos of her and Epstien dating as far back as 1993 while her husband was the serving President of the United States.. confirming a relationship with Epstien while her husband was in power..

I'd say there is a stark difference between Melanias situation, and Hillarys..

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There was some overlap... maybe not married yet, but still...

mdwest said:

how are you going to bring in Elvis?

There are literally thousands of people named in the files.. most are mentioned casually and have exactly zero to do with any relationship or interaction with Maxwell or Epstien.. many were literally dead for years before they were mentioned.. many are mentioned completely out of context of any other conversation..

The files are available online now.. word search Melania.. see the context in which she is mentioned. see the context in which Trump is mentioned.. and then determine if shes actually a person of any interest for any reason whatsoever... (the answer is a clear "no" if you read the files)..

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I would say anyone who spent time with the man would be a witness as to things that may have gone on.

mdwest said:

how are you going to bring in Elvis?

There are literally thousands of people named in the files.. most are mentioned casually and have exactly zero to do with any relationship or interaction with Maxwell or Epstien.. many were literally dead for years before they were mentioned.. many are mentioned completely out of context of any other conversation..

The files are available online now.. word search Melania.. see the context in which she is mentioned. see the context in which Trump is mentioned.. and then determine if shes actually a person of any interest for any reason whatsoever... (the answer is a clear "no" if you read the files)..

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A family member of mine is in the Epstein files. The two never met. There were national news articles about the family member. Epstein made a comment in an email to another person about the articles naming the family member.

The vast majority of people in the Epstein files fall in this category. Including Elvis.

On the bright side, it has led to some entertaining family jokes.

Aaron N said:

Should it matter?

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Sure does, when its obvious Hillary ran a pay to play scam when she was Secretary of State.

Many major heads of state made personal donations to the Clinton foundation prior to meetings with her.

deewayne2003 said:

Sure does, when its obvious Hillary ran a pay to play scam when she was Secretary of State.

Many major heads of state made personal donations to the Clinton foundation prior to meetings with her.

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That’s fine, crucify her too, I’m not picking and choosing who I want investigated, I want everyone investigated. Even if it’s the god damn Pope himself. We know the tendency the clergy has for the youngn’s

For my fellow Scouters who have had concerns about the direction Scouting in the US has been going as well as the executive order effecting the department of war’s relationship with scouting, I just received an email from BSA detailing their new agreement with the DoW.

A key point for me is that they are doing away with the woke/dei citizenship in society merit badge that was adopted after the death of George Floyd.

Here is a cbs article discussing some of the changes.


I’m excited to see BSA going back towards a more moderate position. Money talks and I’m guessing that beyond the administration’s pressure, the membership numbers haven’t supported chasing short term political fads.

Rocked and Loaded said:

For my fellow Scouters who have had concerns about the direction Scouting in the US has been going as well as the executive order effecting the department of war’s relationship with scouting, I just received an email from BSA detailing their new agreement with the DoW.

A key point for me is that they are doing away with the woke/dei citizenship in society merit badge that was adopted after the death of George Floyd.

Here is a cbs article discussing some of the changes.

Scouting America to alter policies including biological sex requirement to maintain military support, Hegseth says

Some of the changes mirror Scoutig America's suggestions to the Department of Justice, including discontinuing its Citizenship in Society merit badge and introducing a Military Service merit badge.

www.cbsnews.com

I’m excited to see BSA going back towards a more moderate position. Money talks and I’m guessing that beyond the administration’s pressure, the membership numbers haven’t supported chasing short term political fads.

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Scouting should be 100% non-political. Tie your knots, make a fire, enjoy eachothers company, treat everyone with respect, be a good citizen, and most importantly, have fun!

Tundra Tiger said:

There was some overlap... maybe not married yet, but still...

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again.. depends on the context and the line of questioning..

Bill Clinton was the serving POTUS when their relationship was at its peak.. Hillary held public office while there was still a relationship.. Clinton used Epstien assets (like his jet) and traveled with Epstien numerous times, etc..etc..

So.. what would Hillary have been exposed to? what would she potentially know? either from her own personal relationship with Epstien? or from what she observed with her husbands relationship with Epstien..

And.. the context that both Hillary and Bill are mentioned in within the files is absolutely relevant... and.. they both had direct contact with Epstien..

Melania on the other hand had no direct contact with Epstien (at least none has been proven in the files).. her then boyfriend was not in public office.. her then boyfriend wasnt traveling with Epstien, etc.. they simply ran in similar social circles.. Nowhere in the files is Melania mentioned in any context that would have anyone believe she was involved in anything or would have knowledge of anything...

So what exactly would she be brought in to testify to congress about?

Aaron N said:

Scouting should be 100% non-political. Tie your knots, make a fire, enjoy eachothers company, treat everyone with respect, be a good citizen, and most importantly, have fun!

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I’d agree but I also wasn’t the one that decided we needed a merit badge about dei in response to blm and that it should also be required to earn Eagle Scout. Liberals have been aggressively working politics into BSA for the last 30 years.

You should see the histrionics on Facebook scout groups from leftists over this. “Fascist this and fascist that.” It’s exhausting.

Aaron N said:

I would say anyone who spent time with the man would be a witness as to things that may have gone on.

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That might be the most ridiculous thing Ive ever seen you type.. youre stretching at best... youre better than that..

because Melania was at a social event that hundreds of other people also attended where Maxwell and Epstien were present.. she and every other person at that social event should be called to testify before congress?

when exactly do we think the hearing is going to end? we're going to need to find thousands of people who we know up front have little to nothing to say of any value.. and then spend quite literally years having them stand before a bunch of politicians to say what we knew they were already going to say.... "yeah.. I saw him at a dinner party in 2003"...

context matters... how much time? what time period? what was going on? who else was present? etc etc..

there is exactly NOTHING in the files that alludes to Melania potentially knowing anything of value.. the most damning thing Melania did was send an email to Maxwell asking her to give her a call the next time she was in NY...

while there is a TON of information in the files that allude to Hillary potentially knowing something of value.. she is in the files 802 times.. shes also testified previously that she had never even met Epstien.. which has been proven to be a lie (there are photos)... Maxwell was invited (and attended) Chelsea Clintons wedding.. there are clearly close ties..

again.. go do a word search of the files..

then explain how anyone who spent time with the man would be a witness of any value to a hearing..

Rocked and Loaded said:

I’d agree but I also wasn’t the one that decided we needed a merit badge about dei in response to blm and that it should also be required to earn Eagle Scout. Liberals have been aggressively working politics into BSA for the last 30 years.

You should see the histrionics on Facebook scout groups from leftists over this. “Fascist this and fascist that.” It’s exhausting.

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No, I’m agreeing with you that it wasn’t needed.

Aaron N said:

No, I’m agreeing with you that it wasn’t needed.

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I think it could have been an elective and then it would have been fine. Making it required was virtue signaling and turned it into a partisan issue.

Old slick Willy has quite the bout of amnesia