What rifle do you totally trust on dangerous game and what rifle do you mistrust on Dangerous game

No difference in law .Hippo and ele same limits or not.Ideal will be rifle which u can handle and push straight your premium bullet.Handgun bow crossbow and muzzleloader u will have limits surely .Bow/crossbow only heavy arrow 750/800 grs minimum and two blade bradhead all times.Behind shoulder shot only.Muzzleloader .50 cal and upwards only by side brain shot with solid bullet.Handgun 454 cal and upwards side brainshot only and solid bullet.In Italy did go some years around a video on hunting channel in Zim ,were an hunter did shot an ele.Side brain shot with its shotgun 12 cal and slug italian gualandi !!!Ele has gone down on the spot soon!!Also Jim shockey have hunted and anchored an ele by its muzzleloader cal .50 .Side brain shot same story.Dropped on the spot.If I find the video I send u.It was charged on youtube
 
You're 100% right, Alaska proved Weatherby Mark Vs are legit DGR beasts. That .338-378 Accumark and custom .416 Rem Mag are freight train stoppers with the smoothest bolt in the business way slicker than Ruger 77s or anything modern. Guys up north ran them hard on brown bears and never looked back.

Only real gripe is the three position safety locking the bolt closed on safe a $75 Timney or factory Alaskan trigger swap fixes that forever lets you unload on safe. After that, it’s perfection.

Savage and Marlin jamming under pressure? Seen it too many times in the field. Weatherby just runs when lives are on the line. Your experience matches what the old guides swear by Mark V in a big bore is the sleeper king of Alaska DGRs.
 
I put both my weatherby accumark 338-378s through total hell in Alaska no problems .The river silt in winds stopped my garmon gps but not my weatherby neither did snow rain flipping on a 4 wheeler which usually destroys rifkes , riding in bumpy 4 wheeler bronco boats like a timex or lesiban took a licking and kept on ticking 12 years .
Good to know, what’s the coldest temp you’ve fired it and tried to cycle really fast? The temps that I’ve heard of them having issues start around -20 where I’ve noticed slower ejection, and continue to get worse down from there. I do imagine if you employ the brake clean trick of that guide you could get plungers to work at colder temps than if you oil them.
 
I lean into the Mauser 98 camp for many of the reasons already mentioned.

I will say sight in or 20 rounds at the range is not enough to prove a rifle. Spend enough time at the range to get acquainted with said rifle, ammo, scopes your going to use in a DG hunt/scenario. If anything you'll find any issue through practice and drills. Rapid fire, slow fire, reloading and etc. Field positions, run and gun with your DG rifle. Also put your self in situations where you purposely double feed or jam said rifle so that you can actually know how to clear the jam as fast as possible. It may cost time and money but who care's....you'll become more proficient and skilled with your gear, and if put in a pickle all that practice can save your life. Muscle memory will kick in.

Use said rifle in the field as well even if it's not DG hunting.

Know your rifle/scope and test your ammo in extreme temps.
 
I did have a remington pump freeze up at -65 below zero .I shot a snowshoe hare in the yard .It barely made a noise guesd cold slows it down .I had no problems even at -30 shooting rabbits .My double barrel shotgun did freeze up on a friend at -56 in the yard shooting grouse .I did break my scope that day at -65 turned the power ring heard it crunching was totslly broken .
 
So what double rifles make the grade in your opinion Kevin?
Top of my list Mitch for reliability, strength and good design and build quality is the Heym 89b. It has a Greener cross bolt third lockup so absolutely positive closing and immensely strong. I have put about 600 rounds through mine so far and it has performed flawlessly.

The rest all score some points for various good features, like the Merkel which also has a Greener cross bolt, but somewhat less on build quality and other features.

The Kreighoff seems to perform well, although I have seen my friend's misfiring and the jury is out on whether it was the firing pins or ammo. There is no third lockup either.

Chapuis would come next down, I have no personal experience, but there are several posts on this forum about various problems. I am sure not major though.

Rigby, WR, H&H and Purdey are obviously beautifully put together, but they would score no higher on my list than the Heym 89b, again because of design features and reliability. In fact I will open myself to a kicking and say I would take the Heym 89b over any of them. In fact, I looked at them all and did just that.
 
I have seen a zillion marlin 4570s jam and only saw one guy hunt with one there .I took him to the tundra and he looked around 5 mins and left 400 yards was a close shot .I even saw those expensive wild west marlins jam they really suck and I wouldnt trust them at all .Moose hunting is in Sept but usually wsrmer one year there was two feet of snow first day.My friends argo rode like a bulldozer but Weatherby Accumsrk took it all .Its been 1000s of miles on 4 wheeler .I put kanes chaps on them keeps them like new .I put breakfree on my guns it was good to -45 then alittke stiff on bolts ususlky wiped them dry .I use to snowshoe miles for shosshoe hares .I always knew I could Trust those weatherby accumarks througb anything .We ususlly brought one of my 416s for thickets .Alaska is where you must have a stainlesss fiberglass stocked rifle .I bought a paddle stocked 338 win mag ruger 77 but that stock punched you when you shot it .I sold that stock put laminsted stock on it .THOSE ruger paddle stocked model 77s in 338 were the most popular rifle when i was there .I loved the long rsnge of the 338-378 and how smooth that acfion works .I just chsnged the mag springs after 25 yesrs all like new now .
 
I lean into the Mauser 98 camp for many of the reasons already mentioned.

I will say sight in or 20 rounds at the range is not enough to prove a rifle. Spend enough time at the range to get acquainted with said rifle, ammo, scopes your going to use in a DG hunt/scenario. If anything you'll find any issue through practice and drills. Rapid fire, slow fire, reloading and etc. Field positions, run and gun with your DG rifle. Also put your self in situations where you purposely double feed or jam said rifle so that you can actually know how to clear the jam as fast as possible. It may cost time and money but who care's....you'll become more proficient and skilled with your gear, and if put in a pickle all that practice can save your life. Muscle memory will kick in.

Use said rifle in the field as well even if it's not DG hunting.

Know your rifle/scope and test your ammo in extreme temps.
Right! And train yourself to always slam the bolt back quickly and with force. I am convinced that the reason some people think that bolt actions, and particularly Mauser 98 type can fail.is that they have conditioned themselves to open the bolt slowly to retrieve the brass. Doing that in.a crunch often leads short stroking and double feeding. The ejection system is designed to be used with force and never fail if used properly. After all a person uses equipment the way he trains.

Nobody with a single shot or even a double will get three shots off as fast as a well.trained shooter with a good CRF bolt. In a charge situation, I really don't think there would be time to get off more than three shots before topping off although someone with more experience might disagree.
 
I did have a remington pump freeze up at -65 below zero .I shot a snowshoe hare in the yard .It barely made a noise guesd cold slows it down .I had no problems even at -30 shooting rabbits .My double barrel shotgun did freeze up on a friend at -56 in the yard shooting grouse .I did break my scope that day at -65 turned the power ring heard it crunching was totslly broken .
I've never seen a thermometer at -56 or -65, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to!
 
I lean into the Mauser 98 camp for many of the reasons already mentioned.

I will say sight in or 20 rounds at the range is not enough to prove a rifle. Spend enough time at the range to get acquainted with said rifle, ammo, scopes your going to use in a DG hunt/scenario. If anything you'll find any issue through practice and drills. Rapid fire, slow fire, reloading and etc. Field positions, run and gun with your DG rifle. Also put your self in situations where you purposely double feed or jam said rifle so that you can actually know how to clear the jam as fast as possible. It may cost time and money but who care's....you'll become more proficient and skilled with your gear, and if put in a pickle all that practice can save your life. Muscle memory will kick in.

Use said rifle in the field as well even if it's not DG hunting.

Know your rifle/scope and test your ammo in extreme temps.
Have you priced ammo and components for big bore rifles? I'd need a second mortgage to shoot hundreds of rounds through my 404 Jeffery at the range. And then maybe an appointment with Canadian National Institute for the Blind. My retinas couldn't take it.

"Practice, practice, practice" at the range with heavy recoil rifles can be counterproductive for many other reasons (e.g. punchy and flinching). Instead, I recommend sighting the gun in at the range after working up the desired load. Then put that expensive ammo away. Practice mounting and dry firing the gun at home to heart's content. Muscle memory can obtained without wasting $$$ or sustaining physical abuse.
 
I am probably going to get hammered for this post but here goes ( and please note we are specifically talking about dangerous game ). Here is my list of firearms I dislike :
1. Rifles less than .4 calibre . I want big bullets at reasonable speeds say 2150-2400fps
2. Rifles sighted in for 200 yards and more . I sight an inch high at 50 yards . Too many hunters shoot high in close .
3. High powered scopes . My scoped DG rifles are only set at 1.5 or 2.5 times because that is as low as they go . Too many hunters can’t acquire a moving target with scopes set on high magnification .
In summary give me a 500 double with iron sights ( or a 505G / 500J ) and a scoped rifle 416R or 425WR . The scope a 1.5 -6x and never take it off 1.5x .
 
I have seen a zillion marlin 4570s jam and only saw one guy hunt with one there .I took him to the tundra and he looked around 5 mins and left 400 yards was a close shot .I even saw those expensive wild west marlins jam they really suck and I wouldnt trust them at all .Moose hunting is in Sept but usually wsrmer one year there was two feet of snow first day.My friends argo rode like a bulldozer but Weatherby Accumsrk took it all .Its been 1000s of miles on 4 wheeler .I put kanes chaps on them keeps them like new .I put breakfree on my guns it was good to -45 then alittke stiff on bolts ususlky wiped them dry .I use to snowshoe miles for shosshoe hares .I always knew I could Trust those weatherby accumarks througb anything .We ususlly brought one of my 416s for thickets .Alaska is where you must have a stainlesss fiberglass stocked rifle .I bought a paddle stocked 338 win mag ruger 77 but that stock punched you when you shot it .I sold that stock put laminsted stock on it .THOSE ruger paddle stocked model 77s in 338 were the most popular rifle when i was there .I loved the long rsnge of the 338-378 and how smooth that acfion works .I just chsnged the mag springs after 25 yesrs all like new now .
In those temps, what is your most trusted scope? I want to do some hunting in Alaska in the coldest temps of hunting season at some point, I rather enjoy the challenge of extreme cold weather living/hunting, I’ve done some tent camping at -26 with -55 wind chills, really tests your survival skills and gear. Lot of things fail at that temp, particularly cheap tent plastic and tarps, where they might as well be made out of ultra thin cardboard. Would love to hunt somewhere that pushes it even further someday.
 
Right! And train yourself to always slam the bolt back quickly and with force. I am convinced that the reason some people think that bolt actions, and particularly Mauser 98 type can fail.is that they have conditioned themselves to open the bolt slowly to retrieve the brass. Doing that in.a crunch often leads short stroking and double feeding. The ejection system is designed to be used with force and never fail if used properly. After all a person uses equipment the way he trains.

Nobody with a single shot or even a double will get three shots off as fast as a well.trained shooter with a good CRF bolt. In a charge situation, I really don't think there would be time to get off more than three shots before topping off although someone with more experience might disagree.
I have tried to eject empty cases from both my 98 Mauser and 03A3 Springfield slowly enough that next cartridge can't be picked up by the bolt. I haven't been able to do it yet. It is possible to short stroke both guns, fail to eject the empty case, and jam while trying to force the cockeyed empty case back into the chamber. It's never happened to me in the field but I have purposely performed the malfunction at home. But the "jam" is easily remedied with CRF by simply cycling the bolt back again and fully ejecting the empty so the next cartridge can be picked up. The claw never lets go of the empty case. It is my understanding this isn't an issue with push feed as the empty case is ejected as soon as the end clears the locking ring ... if the ejector and extractor are in sync.

If the 98 Mauser is properly tuned, there really is no need to "slam" the bolt back to make it cycle properly. Mine is so slick it really is hard to imagine I could ever short stroke it. And the 03A3 is even slicker! 98 Mauser was a wonderful design but my 03A3 almost cycles itself. Close enough to Mauser design that US govt had to pay royalties infringement. In my opinion 03A3 is the more superior design. The only thing I don't like about Springfield viz a viz Mauser is the bolt release. Ugly and difficult to operate. Very difficult! The third position for 03A3 bolt release (all the way down) is useless and possibly dangerous (does not allow bolt to pick up next cartridge). My stock doesn't allow the bolt release to be pushed down to #3. I am surprised that Boyd's ONLY makes their stocks with the slot for position 3. Dumb!
 
In those temps, what is your most trusted scope? I want to do some hunting in Alaska in the coldest temps of hunting season at some point, I rather enjoy the challenge of extreme cold weather living/hunting, I’ve done some tent camping at -26 with -55 wind chills, really tests your survival skills and gear. Lot of things fail at that temp, particularly cheap tent plastic and tarps, where they might as well be made out of ultra thin cardboard. Would love to hunt somewhere that pushes it even further someday.
I have hunted down to ~ -30° C. And alone. At those temps a mere sprained ankle could be fatal. A blown out knee definitely would be unless you have an ATV very close at hand (and I've never used them except three times someone retrieved my deer). Move carefully but continuously ... and carry food! Forget about building a fire. You'll waste more energy keeping it going than it will provide. Keep your internal engine running. I have dressed a moose in -22° and it was brutal. A pair of kitchen rubber gloves would have made a huge difference. I really do not think you want to hunt in any temp below -26°! It is miserable ... and can be scary ... even if the wind doesn't blow. A slight breeze can be fatal.
 
Have you priced ammo and components for big bore rifles? I'd need a second mortgage to shoot hundreds of rounds through my 404 Jeffery at the range. And then maybe an appointment with Canadian National Institute for the Blind. My retinas couldn't take it.

"Practice, practice, practice" at the range with heavy recoil rifles can be counterproductive for many other reasons (e.g. punchy and flinching). Instead, I recommend sighting the gun in at the range after working up the desired load. Then put that expensive ammo away. Practice mounting and dry firing the gun at home to heart's content. Muscle memory can obtained without wasting $$$ or sustaining physical abuse.
Thats why you get a sub caliber analogue.
If your 404 is 12 lbs fet a 10lb 300wm or 375
 
You're 100% right, Alaska proved Weatherby Mark Vs are legit DGR beasts. That .338-378 Accumark and custom .416 Rem Mag are freight train stoppers with the smoothest bolt in the business way slicker than Ruger 77s or anything modern. Guys up north ran them hard on brown bears and never looked back.

Only real gripe is the three position safety locking the bolt closed on safe a $75 Timney or factory Alaskan trigger swap fixes that forever lets you unload on safe. After that, it’s perfection.

Savage and Marlin jamming under pressure? Seen it too many times in the field. Weatherby just runs when lives are on the line. Your experience matches what the old guides swear by Mark V in a big bore is the sleeper king of Alaska DGRs.
I can appreciate that you favor the Weatherby Mark V but was kind of surprised that it may be favored by guides in Alaska or anyone else as a DGR? I hunted with old time sourdough and Alaskan guide George Faerber from Trapper Creek Alaska for grizzly back in 2004 and his preferred rifle was a stainless Ruger M77 338 Win Mag with the Zytel skeleton or paddle stock.

His assistant guide Robert carried a Remington 700 Custom Shop African Big Game in 338 RUM. Nothing wrong with the Weatherby, I used to own a Mark V stainless in 375 H&H and thought it a well made quality rifle. I never got the impression the Weatherby was favored by Alaskan guides, at least back then anyways. Most quality bolt action rifles should function fine in sub zero weather as long as all oil has been removed from the firing mechanism.

I used my Winchester M70 Classic stainless All Terrain in 300 Win Mag with 200 grain TBBC to kill an 8 ft grizzly.
 
In those temps, what is your most trusted scope? I want to do some hunting in Alaska in the coldest temps of hunting season at some point, I rather enjoy the challenge of extreme cold weather living/hunting, I’ve done some tent camping at -26 with -55 wind chills, really tests your survival skills and gear. Lot of things fail at that temp, particularly cheap tent plastic and tarps, where they might as well be made out of ultra thin cardboard. Would love to hunt somewhere that pushes it even further someday.
Hardly any scope they fog up tear up and break up .I had no problems at -30 with scopes but below that scopes are the first thing to go.I usually just small game hunted in the winter with a double barrel that only messed up at -45 .Its funny now but i went in rotten snow fell through 20 feet of snow on side of the road took forever to find my shotgun .I tied it to my belt after that .I didnt like winter caribou didnt taste good loved them in velvet to eat .
 

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