EBOLA Contract?

Wouldn't trip cancellation insurance provide an out vs. trying to put something in a services contract with an outfitter?

Heym 88 said:

I would be willing to say that an Ebola vaccine has been around a long time. Why haven't we used it? Simple, not enough money to be made because not enough people sick. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Guess that's how much distrust I have in private pharmaceutical companies these days.

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Heym are you in business? How many privately owned businesses - pharmaceuticals included - would survive if they didn't make things which earned them a profit?

Heym 88 said:

I would be willing to say that an Ebola vaccine has been around a long time. Why haven't we used it? Simple, not enough money to be made because not enough people sick. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Guess that's how much distrust I have in private pharmaceutical companies these days.

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don't know about that heymm88.
if there was drug company that had a vaccine for ebola , they would be swimming in money as the world through cash at them ,

Gentleman,
Here is a different perspective, between you fellas in the USA, and me here in South Africa.
Who is the safest from this virus between you and me? Is it you as a hunter coming to South Africa, where there is not a single case, or is it me as an outfitter living in South Africa, and having to come to the outdoor shows hosted by a country where Ebola cases have been identified?

If this is not under control by Jan, I might seriously consider scrapping my trip to the USA and Canada for the shows.

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

Gentleman,
Here is a different perspective, between you fellas in the USA, and me here in South Africa.
Who is the safest from this virus between you and me? Is it you as a hunter coming to South Africa, where there is not a single case, or is it me as an outfitter living in South Africa, and having to come to the outdoor shows hosted by a country where Ebola cases have been identified?

If this is not under control by Jan, I might seriously consider scrapping my trip to the USA and Canada for the shows.

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The definition of irony.

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

Gentleman,
Here is a different perspective, between you fellas in the USA, and me here in South Africa.
Who is the safest from this virus between you and me? Is it you as a hunter coming to South Africa, where there is not a single case, or is it me as an outfitter living in South Africa, and having to come to the outdoor shows hosted by a country where Ebola cases have been identified?

If this is not under control by Jan, I might seriously consider scrapping my trip to the USA and Canada for the shows.

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great way of putting it, i like the way you think marius

Marius;
You make a great point. No way this will be under control by Jan. 1 in West Africa. Only thing I can see on our side of the ocean is that public opinion driven by the news media could force either airlines or the government to restrict travel from that area back to the USA. I don't know if that should be done or not but I would prefer not traveling with someone from that region. Not sure if our president can find time away from his golf games to even give this any thought.

I did have to stand in the right spot to let them check me for a fever coming into RSA... I don't recall anything like that coming back into the USA. Again, I think the only real worrisome thing is to potentially be in the confines of an airplane with someone carrying the disease.

For close to sixty years in the African bush, I have had my own two strict rules for survival.

Rule 1. I avoid provoking dangerous animals and reptiles, except poachers. I observe and avoid dangerous humans, including the coughing, sneezing, sweaty and smelly ones. I do not participate in any form of social activity with humans that I have identified as dangerous or potentially so.

Rule 2. If avoidance is entirely not possible, I usually shoot to kill.

Still going strong.

Today Canada start "selected temperature screening" at border crossings and some airports.
Research showing it was useless against SARS and Flu's.
But what the heck, it makes it look like the government is doing something.

ActionBob said:

I did have to stand in the right spot to let them check me for a fever coming into RSA... I don't recall anything like that coming back into the USA. Again, I think the only real worrisome thing is to potentially be in the confines of an airplane with someone carrying the disease.

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Bob,
Funny that you say this. I can remember traveling in 2011, and the thermal scanners already being in place at Johannesburg at passport control.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/30/health/how-ebola-spreads/

This is an interesting article regarding the spreading of the disease. They even go as far as saying that its not very contagious. Just shows again how media can whip up a frenzy.
Stay safe all.

thi9elsp said:

Wouldn't trip cancellation insurance provide an out vs. trying to put something in a services contract with an outfitter?

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That's my thinking. The way I see if it comes down to the point where travel is severely restricted I'm sure most outfitters will work with people. A global pandemic would probably put a damper on businesses that rely on air travel.

One thing to consider is that so far the death count in West Africa is equivalent to what the flu kills in the US during a typical year. Sure this disease is a scary thing but there's probably better things to be concerned about than this.

ActionBob said:

I might add, we can really get crazy in the USA about this stuff. Even though we were in Southern RSA, one hell of a long ways from any area with Ebola, and that we were there in April, people still ask me all coy like "well you were in Africa, aren't you worried?".... I try to explain how large Africa is and how far away those areas are from RSA, but their eyes gloss over and they really don't conceive of the concept.... I think we have people in this country who think Africa is all one country.

Sometime you just can't fix stupid.

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The average person really is a moron.
One of the indicators is that most cable TV packages have multiple sports and game-show channels but few if any science channels.
One fellow I know (who has a Biology Degree no less) called from another state to ask me the "ebola/Africa, aren't you worried" question recently, like others have asked you evidently.
But he, in spite of his "higher education" refuses to even go to Hawaii because he has heard some of the locals hate white people.
Nice guy and has been a loyal friend of mine for 40 something years but, out of touch with reality - imo.

DOC-404 said:

For close to sixty years in the African bush, I have had my own two strict rules for survival.

Rule 1. I avoid provoking dangerous animals and reptiles, except poachers. I observe and avoid dangerous humans, including the coughing, sneezing, sweaty and smelly ones. I do not participate in any form of social activity with humans that I have identified as dangerous or potentially so.

Rule 2. If avoidance is entirely not possible, I usually shoot to kill.

Still going strong.

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Reminds me of a quote I heard many years ago. "Be polite, be professional, but, have a plan to kill everyone you meet". Word to live by, just like yours DOC...

As has been mentioned, a lot of people don't have a clue.

I will be in east Africa and southern Africa in Jan/Feb. Friends say aren't you afraid of ebola? When I tell them it would be the equivalent of ebola being in Anchorage and me being in Miami they say oh. Most Americans have no comprehension of the size of Africa.

That being said, it may be beyond controlling this outbreak in a meaningful way. If we haven't crossed the fulcrum we are getting pretty close. 2015/2016 may be a scary time in Africa. If ebola makes it to the Indian subcontinent or southeast Asia it could be very ugly. Will this be the Spanish flu of 1918? The following might be an interesting read from one of the guys who discovered and named ebola.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak

Marius, I enjoyed your statement. Might have even noted a touch of sarcasm in it. If so duly noted and hope to see you in Dallas. The RSA however has a decent sized west African community. Unless some sort of quarantine is set up for people arriving from west Africa there will be an infected person slipping through at some point just like it happened in Dallas. If an outbreak takes place in a township or squatter camp what will happen then? Don't get me wrong. I would rather have medical care in SA than any place on the continent. I do think SA will be able to control ebola like most first world countries will be able to do. Not real confident how other African countries will fare.

I am not a medical professional and don't think of myself as a "chicken little". (Therefore there may be very little value in what I am saying) Hopefully this can be contained soon. If not we may have just crossed the starting line of exponential growth.

All the best.

A lot of wisdom Wheels, I think Africa can bury a problem, in the USA we blow everything out of proportion including the deficit!

Hey All,
A few years ago I read a book (fictional thriller) about an Ebola outbreak. For the life of me I can't recall the title. It made me really curious about Ebola & Marburg filoviruses and after some searching on Amazon I found an interesting looking non-fiction book, so I downloaded it to kindle and proceeded to read. The book is called "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. It is very well written and extremely educational. It reads a lot like a novel, but is completely factual and contains stories of actual Ebola and Marburg virus outbreaks. Some of the information in this book will scare the living hell out of you, but some of it may prove reassuring, or at least de-mystifying. Understanding leads to rational thought and minimizes panic and fear. It is a very worthwhile read.
Here's a link in case anyone wants to check it out

http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone-Terr...=1-1&keywords=the+hot+zone+by+richard+preston

In my opinion, the US media coverage of this Ebola "event" has been irresponsible to say the least. Some of the reporting has been just plain ridiculous. Not to minimize the seriousness of this, it is extremely serious, but come on! I saw a reporter on tv the other day telling people that ebola has a 90% mortality rate. Well, yes, Ebola-Zaire in a past outbreak had a 90% death rate. The current rate of death with this strain is running about 40%. Still terrible and tragic and scary, but what happened to accurate responsible reporting?
It will be interesting to see how this go-round with Ebola plays out in the coming months.
I, for one, will be in SA and Zim next August and September without a backward look unless travel restrictions prevent it.
I will also have TravelGuard and Global Rescue
Good hunting everyone

Media = Poison

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

Media = Poison

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= PANIC

DOC-404 said:

= PANIC

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Absolutely.

Panic=Interest=Sales

If the media tells me the sky is blue today, I'll look outside first. I place the media on the same level as a tree-hugging imbecile.

It will be a buyers market