BOTSWANA: NG 13 Elephant Hunt

[Wheels]

JJ's a great guy. Glad he is getting you taken care of.

You are fortunate to live so close to the top double gunmaker in the country.

 

[Ryeboy86]

Glad th

Here is the way things are progressing. I received the new CHAPUIS double rifle with the very much appreciated help of Houston Bill. He reached out to me here on AH and has been amazing! That is the beauty of this community of passionate hunters that participate on the AH forums. Many of the AH members have done these international hunts for years! They know the ropes; not only on the firearms such as this double rifle craze that I am currently in, but they also understand the steps that need to be taken to take a firearm into these foreign countries. It seems daunting to me to get all this going in less than three weeks. Purchasing a double, shooting it to a point I feel proficient with it, and also getting my paperwork and permits together to actually get to the elephant camp with the rifle. Ha! We shall see if it all comes together. Here is where I currently am in the preparation. Houston Bill knew someone from Benelli which I am told now owns CHAPUIS. For years I took yhe Benelli guys hunting at my lodge in Kansas. Mike Holly was the national sales manager at the time and he and I became friends. He would bring the gun buyers from Dick’s,Cabela’s, Bass Pro, and others on whitetail hunts with us. Man what fun we had. I hear he went to Heckler and Koch and I don’t know if he is still with them or not. I got off track there forgive me! Houston Bulls friend at Benelli did some research and found a 450 400 CHAPUIS new in the box in a gun shop in Beaumont TX. I bought the gun and it was sent to Kansas. Now I had no shells. To the rescue came Mark Biggerstaff and his gun shop in Texas! One box is what he had and he sent that. By the following week he had more 450 400s and he had three more boxes of Hornady dangerous game solids on the way. Once again this he AH brotherhood pulls the rabbit out of the hat to help a guy try to get to his hunt with a rifle and ammunition! Ha!
the rifle arrived damaged! Lever was bent down and scraping the wood of the pistol grip when I trying to open the rifle after assembling it! The lever would not return to its resting natural position with the gun closed! Crap! I’m screwed I thought! I called my new friend George owner of Champlin firearms. Remember it was not more than a couple weeks ago that I visited George at his gun vault in Enid Oklahoma to touch and hold a double foe the first time in my life! George spent the day teaching me about doubles and telling me all kind of historically significant things about them and their development! As Jerry Clowers the southern comedian from Liberty, Mississippi used to say…
“he flung a craving on me”! I had to have my own double and hunt this elephant the “right way”! The old way! At least in my mind that’s what I thought.
So, I called George my new buddy at Champlin. I told him I had issues with the rifle. George said basically, damn son! Your out of time! No way JJ can get you repaired and on your way in time for this hunt! I called JJ hoping for a miracle. You guessed it! Just like the way the Ah brethren came thru so did JJ. He said he can fix the gun! He says the nimrods do this all the time! Meaning the people that staff these gunshots have no experience often times in the way a double rifle actually works. Can you imagine being JJ and devoting your life to these rifles and taking great pride in them and their care and use only to have someone mistreat your baby! Well, it turns out that when they put the gun back into the box, new gun mind you that they had assembled to take some photos of it prior to me me agreeing to buy the rifle over the phone, th hat they left the lever that opens the action far to the right in the “open rifle position”. JJ pointed out to me that you are suppose to manually depress the little tit that sticks out on the top of receiver. Forgive me I do not know the proper names for these things in a double. I am a green horn! But JJ explained neophytes often do this and then shop the gun. In shipping that leaves this mispositioned lever subject to impact damage. to add to my misery I had assembled my double rifle after receiving it. Man was I excited! I tried to open and close it not recognizing at first that the lever was bent down! I scraped the finish off the wood of the pistol grip by actuating the lever before I recognized the problem. Crap! JJ says go get a night to eat and in two hours you will have a trijicon RMR mounted on your rifle and your lever will be repaired and I will even fix the “boo boo” to the wood! Ha! Must be a French thing! I haven’t said boo boo or heard boo boo in regards to a minor injury in a lot of years!
I look forward to shooting the rifle and I will let you know how that goes!



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Glad these GREAT guy's can help you out! I'm very excited to see your hunting trip report! Feel free to bring your DR to Arizona to hunt some Javelina with!

 

[Houston Bill]

Here is the way things are progressing. I received the new CHAPUIS double rifle with the very much appreciated help of Houston Bill. He reached out to me here on AH and has been amazing! That is the beauty of this community of passionate hunters that participate on the AH forums. Many of the AH members have done these international hunts for years! They know the ropes; not only on the firearms such as this double rifle craze that I am currently in, but they also understand the steps that need to be taken to take a firearm into these foreign countries. It seems daunting to me to get all this going in less than three weeks. Purchasing a double, shooting it to a point I feel proficient with it, and also getting my paperwork and permits together to actually get to the elephant camp with the rifle. Ha! We shall see if it all comes together. Here is where I currently am in the preparation. Houston Bill knew someone from Benelli which I am told now owns CHAPUIS. For years I took yhe Benelli guys hunting at my lodge in Kansas. Mike Holly was the national sales manager at the time and he and I became friends. He would bring the gun buyers from Dick’s,Cabela’s, Bass Pro, and others on whitetail hunts with us. Man what fun we had. I hear he went to Heckler and Koch and I don’t know if he is still with them or not. I got off track there forgive me! Houston Bulls friend at Benelli did some research and found a 450 400 CHAPUIS new in the box in a gun shop in Beaumont TX. I bought the gun and it was sent to Kansas. Now I had no shells. To the rescue came Mark Biggerstaff and his gun shop in Texas! One box is what he had and he sent that. By the following week he had more 450 400s and he had three more boxes of Hornady dangerous game solids on the way. Once again this he AH brotherhood pulls the rabbit out of the hat to help a guy try to get to his hunt with a rifle and ammunition! Ha!
the rifle arrived damaged! Lever was bent down and scraping the wood of the pistol grip when I trying to open the rifle after assembling it! The lever would not return to its resting natural position with the gun closed! Crap! I’m screwed I thought! I called my new friend George owner of Champlin firearms. Remember it was not more than a couple weeks ago that I visited George at his gun vault in Enid Oklahoma to touch and hold a double foe the first time in my life! George spent the day teaching me about doubles and telling me all kind of historically significant things about them and their development! As Jerry Clowers the southern comedian from Liberty, Mississippi used to say…
“he flung a craving on me”! I had to have my own double and hunt this elephant the “right way”! The old way! At least in my mind that’s what I thought.
So, I called George my new buddy at Champlin. I told him I had issues with the rifle. George said basically, damn son! Your out of time! No way JJ can get you repaired and on your way in time for this hunt! I called JJ hoping for a miracle. You guessed it! Just like the way the Ah brethren came thru so did JJ. He said he can fix the gun! He says the nimrods do this all the time! Meaning the people that staff these gunshots have no experience often times in the way a double rifle actually works. Can you imagine being JJ and devoting your life to these rifles and taking great pride in them and their care and use only to have someone mistreat your baby! Well, it turns out that when they put the gun back into the box, new gun mind you that they had assembled to take some photos of it prior to me me agreeing to buy the rifle over the phone, th hat they left the lever that opens the action far to the right in the “open rifle position”. JJ pointed out to me that you are suppose to manually depress the little tit that sticks out on the top of receiver. Forgive me I do not know the proper names for these things in a double. I am a green horn! But JJ explained neophytes often do this and then shop the gun. In shipping that leaves this mispositioned lever subject to impact damage. to add to my misery I had assembled my double rifle after receiving it. Man was I excited! I tried to open and close it not recognizing at first that the lever was bent down! I scraped the finish off the wood of the pistol grip by actuating the lever before I recognized the problem. Crap! JJ says go get a night to eat and in two hours you will have a trijicon RMR mounted on your rifle and your lever will be repaired and I will even fix the “boo boo” to the wood! Ha! Must be a French thing! I haven’t said boo boo or heard boo boo in regards to a minor injury in a lot of years!
I look forward to shooting the rifle and I will let you know how that goes!



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Hi Jerry,

Glad JJ was able to fix your double and put on the Trijicon RMR while you waited...JJ is the best. Let me set the record straight.....I called Mark Biggerstaff for help finding you a double and it was actually his connections at Benelli that lead us to your Chapius at the small gun shop in TX. Good luck with the practice with your double leading up to your hunt. Cant wait to hear all about your elephant hunt in Botswana.

Houston Bill

 

[Jerycmeach]

JJ's a great guy. Glad he is getting you taken care of.

You are fortunate to live so close to the top double gunmaker in the country.

Bob you are certainly right! With your help I was able to take a wild lion in Tanzania last year in August. In the last week or so I have been to see George at Champlin Firearms and spent nearly the whole day with him being educated about doubles. Now today with a broken rifle that was damaged in shipping I was able to spend the day with JJ and came home with my double rifle ready to shoot tomorrow morning. I guess I do need to pinch myself that both George Champlin and JJ we’re only about 2 Hours Drive from my lodge in Kansas. Having no time to get ready for this Elephant Hunt and trying to get a rifle put together and shoot it and get all the permits and things needed to take it to Africa it is truly a blessing that these guys meaning JJ and Champlin are so close to where I am

 

[Jerycmeach]

I wanted to give you an update on the champuis Elon 450 400 NE double rifle.
JJ was amazing! He took me in yesterday and made time for me and I left in two hours with the RMR Trijicon site, the mount for the site if you will, all attached to the rifle and ready to go! JJ even repaired the bent lever that opens the action. He fixed the marred wood which had occurred from my actuating the lever not knowing the lever was bent down and not in its proper position thus scraping the top of the pistol grip. The repairs are perfect and yiu cannot tell there was ever a scratch or a bent lever! Thanks JJ! Without going into too much detail just let me tell you he was amazing to fix everything that was wrong and in that short amount of time!
Today after running my trap line, caught a bunch of trash and one beautiful bobcat I fired the gun a few times for the first time! I using a lead sled on the tailgate of a pickup truck at 25 yards. Thw bullet impacts were about an inch and a half apart and low I made one adjustment to the Trijicon site moving the impact of the bullets up and then I fired two shots “off hand”, one from each barrel. I know it was just luck, but I cut the same bullet hole but the impact point is still a little low. I’m sure it was luck like I said; but it’s a great confidence builder for my first shots fired off hand with the new rifle. Tomorrow I’m gonna start some more shooting. I’ll try a little longer distance as well as start taking the reflex sight on and off and see how repeatable the impact Point is. I also want to try the iron sights. So far so good! The two shots that you see that I have circled are the very first shots taken they’re at 25 yards with the RMR Trijicon site and you can see the impact point is low. I made one adjustment Attempting to raise the impact point of the bullets and you see then in the small diamond to the right of the circled two shots you see that the bullet impact was similar in spacing from each barrel but I had indeed moved the bullets into the point of aim area. Lastly the two bullets that are at 6 o’clock and our figure rated those are from my very first off hand shots and they are at 30 yards so like I said and I know it was an accident but it build confidence and I can’t wait to shoot some more tomorrow!

 

[Ryeboy86]

I wanted to give you an update on the champuis Elon 450 400 NE double rifle.
JJ was amazing! He took me in yesterday and made time for me and I left in two hours with the RMR Trijicon site, the mount for the site if you will, all attached to the rifle and ready to go! JJ even repaired the bent lever that opens the action. He fixed the marred wood which had occurred from my actuating the lever not knowing the lever was bent down and not in its proper position thus scraping the top of the pistol grip. The repairs are perfect and yiu cannot tell there was ever a scratch or a bent lever! Thanks JJ! Without going into too much detail just let me tell you he was amazing to fix everything that was wrong and in that short amount of time!
Today after running my trap line, caught a bunch of trash and one beautiful bobcat I fired the gun a few times for the first time! I using a lead sled on the tailgate of a pickup truck at 25 yards. Thw bullet impacts were about an inch and a half apart and low I made one adjustment to the Trijicon site moving the impact of the bullets up and then I fired two shots “off hand”, one from each barrel. I know it was just luck, but I cut the same bullet hole but the impact point is still a little low. I’m sure it was luck like I said; but it’s a great confidence builder for my first shots fired off hand with the new rifle. Tomorrow I’m gonna start some more shooting. I’ll try a little longer distance as well as start taking the reflex sight on and off and see how repeatable the impact Point is. I also want to try the iron sights. So far so good! The two shots that you see that I have circled are the very first shots taken they’re at 25 yards with the RMR Trijicon site and you can see the impact point is low. I made one adjustment Attempting to raise the impact point of the bullets and you see then in the small diamond to the right of the circled two shots you see that the bullet impact was similar in spacing from each barrel but I had indeed moved the bullets into the point of aim area. Lastly the two bullets that are at 6 o’clock and our figure rated those are from my very first off hand shots and they are at 30 yards so like I said and I know it was an accident but it build confidence and I can’t wait to shoot some more tomorrow!

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Glad to hear everything worked out!! You have a BEAUTIFUL rifle sir!!

 

[WillMFerguson]

I love it when a great plan starts coming together. I know you'll have an awesome hunt!

 

[Jerycmeach]

Glad to hear everything worked out!! You have a BEAUTIFUL rifle sir!!

Thanks, It is my first experience with a double rifle and I’m so excited the history and the romance of it all makes this new chapter in my life in my hunting life some thing I’m really looking forward to

 

[Ryeboy86]

Thanks, It is my first experience with a double rifle and I’m so excited the history and the romance of it all makes this new chapter in my life in my hunting life some thing I’m really looking forward to

I dream of owning a few African Caliber rifles. I'd love to own a 416 Rugby Bolt Action and a DR in 470NE..

 

[Jerycmeach]

Today I moved back to 55 yds with the double rifle. The first two shots were taken with the right and then the left barrel off of the lead sled. You can see the two bullet holes beneath the black tape. Then I shit two shits off handed at the same distance, 55 yds. You can see that the bullets grouped similarly but a little bit to the right.
This rifle has the heaviest trigger I believe I have ever owned! I am going to ascertain just how much the trigger is actually pulling but it is hard to pull! I tried shooting offhand today in the manner I am accustomed. You know what I mean…. Aim, aim, aim,….squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, and be surprised when the gun goes off! And presto! Bullet thru the bullseye, right! WRONG! I shot 9 inches low and a little to the right doing that! The problem is that the trigger is so heavy that simply will not work! You must line up on the target and pull the trigger all at once with great force! The gun goes boom and the bullet is in the right place…generally speaking that is. I called JJ tonight and he said that probably the trigger is around 6 pounds and I should check it. He said he could lighten it up a little but not too much. I assume this is a safety thing ti keep the gun from doubling as they say. Firing both barrels at once! All I can say is this is going to take some setting used to. This is a much heavier trigger pull than I am used to. Now don’t get me wrong! The trigger breaks clean and crisp. There is NO creep. However it is a HEAVY trigger pull that demands a committed heavy and fast trigger pull so that it breaks while the sights are still aligned in the target.

 

[Ryeboy86]

View attachment 521950Today I moved back to 55 yds with the double rifle. The first two shots were taken with the right and then the left barrel off of the lead sled. You can see the two bullet holes beneath the black tape. Then I shit two shits off handed at the same distance, 55 yds. You can see that the bullets grouped similarly but a little bit to the right.
This rifle has the heaviest trigger I believe I have ever owned! I am going to ascertain just how much the trigger is actually pulling but it is hard to pull! I tried shooting offhand today in the manner I am accustomed. You know what I mean…. Aim, aim, aim,….squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, and be surprised when the gun goes off! And presto! Bullet thru the bullseye, right! WRONG! I shot 9 inches low and a little to the right doing that! The problem is that the trigger is so heavy that simply will not work! You must line up on the target and pull the trigger all at once with great force! The gun goes boom and the bullet is in the right place…generally speaking that is. I called JJ tonight and he said that probably the trigger is around 6 pounds and I should check it. He said he could lighten it up a little but not too much. I assume this is a safety thing ti keep the gun from doubling as they say. Firing both barrels at once! All I can say is this is going to take some setting used to. This is a much heavier trigger pull than I am used to. Now don’t get me wrong! The trigger breaks clean and crisp. There is NO creep. However it is a HEAVY trigger pull that demands a committed heavy and fast trigger pull so that it breaks while the sights are still aligned in the target.

Your 3rd sentence says you "shit two shits".. That's very impressive!! LOL

 

[Jerycmeach]

Your 3rd sentence says you "shit two shits".. That's very impressive!! LOL

I’m so sorry I will do better at editing it was not my intention I apologize.
I have checked the weight of pole on the front and the back trigger of thanks his double rifle.
The front trigger brakes at 6 pounds in the back trigger brakes at 7 lbs. 12 oz. I think I might call JJ and see about adjusting them lighter does anyone know if these triggers are set this heavy for a reason? I assume they are set fairly heavy for safety to keep them from “doubling”. But still it is going to take some getting used to if I have to live with this much trigger pull

 

[Ryeboy86]

I’m so sorry I will do better at editing it was not my intention I apologize.
I have checked the weight of pole on the front and the back trigger of thanks his double rifle.
The front trigger brakes at 6 pounds in the back trigger brakes at 7 lbs. 12 oz. I think I might call JJ and see about adjusting them lighter does anyone know if these triggers are set this heavy for a reason? I assume they are set fairly heavy for safety to keep them from “doubling”. But still it is going to take some getting used to if I have to live with this much trigger pull

No need to apologize good sir! I was a Detention Officer for 4yrs.. I've got pretty thick skin.. LOL.. Are the triggers connected in anyway? I'm asking because I have never handled or shot a DR. If there is an internal mechanism that connects the two triggers, I could understand not wanting to go to light on the poundage thus risking a "doubling".

 

[WAB]

That is too heavy for accurate shooting. I’m sure that they can be adjusted. A 12 ga game gun is typically set somewhere around 3 and 3.5 front and back.

 

[Jerycmeach]

Ok my fellow passionate hunters; here is what has transpired today in the life of a new double rifle owner trying to get a rifle and get myself ready to hunt an elephant in less than 20 days. I wrote to “redleg” last night and sought his advice about the heavy trigger pull. Should I “learn to live with it” I asked? He said no way would he hunt with that gun. I knew he was right! I called JJ fist thing today and told him my woes about a trigger that was just too heavy for accurate and consistent shooting. JJ is amazing! He said bring it down and I will fix it! Another day spent on the road driving but as “wheels” said to me in a text today, “you sure are blessed to be able to take the rifle to JJ twice in one week and get him to help you”! I agree with that! JJ worked his magic on the triggers and then shot the front trigger barrel twice to make sure it did not “double”. It didn’t. He then checked the poundage on the triggers and it was still a little heavy. He took the whole thing apart again and readdressed the issue. Putting it back together he fired two more rounds and it did not “double”. He rechecked the trigger pull and it was spot on. Right where he wanted me. 4 pounds on the front trigger and 4 and a half on the back trigger. Thanks you JJ! Thank you “redleg”, “Houston bill”, “wheels”, George Champlin, mark biggerstaff, and so many others on AH that have helped me. My PH Leon Kauchelhoffer

has been watching my efforts and wants me to start shooting tomorrow at 25 and 30 yards and ge my sights regulated well. So that is what I shall do! Here is a picture of JJ at his shop firing my rifle today to make sure it would not double. I am a little hard of hearing but I believe he said 3 and 3/4 Pounds on the back trigger and it could “double”. I believe that is what he said. So he is comfortably above that and safe he said at the 4 1/2 pounds on the back trigger and 4 pounds on the front trigger.

 

[Ryeboy86]

I'm so EXCITED to see this adventure!!

 

[Jerycmeach]

Houston Bill gave me some pointers on travel gin case ideas in my price range for the double rifle. He said to order the Pelican 700 for the rifle and the Pelican 1200 for the ammo. I ordered from midway USA after noon. The next day in the EARLY afternoon the order was at my lodge in southeast Kansas. I want you to understand it takes a letter mailed in my mailbox over a week sometimes to get to its destination foe this forgotten wilderness in the prairie! Midway USA has speed of delivery like Amazon has it seems, maybe better in this case for sure! I cut the foam to fit the new double rifle and so far so good.

 

[Jerycmeach]

Today is the first day of shooting the new rifle since the triggers were lightened this past Friday by JJ in Sand Springs Oklahoma.
If you look at these two targets you will see in the first one that the bullets impacted a little more than an inch apart. The right barrel a half inch to the right and the left barrel a half inch to the left. It seems as if this gun is regulated perfectly but then I am such a greenhorn on these double rifles I have no idea if this is correct or not! These shots were taken off the bench at 30 yds.
Then the next three holes you see are offhanded shots at the same distance. I am disturbed that I cannot seem to time the shots to go off and impact where I want. If I try a very slow squeeze like I am used to with very light triggers I seem to drift and COLLAPSE before the rifle goes off. If I do what I call a DRIVE BY which is how I characterize slapping the trigger irreverently at the moment sight alignment is achieved then I pull the shots to the right. I will keep practicing and I hope to find a style of triggering the shots that affords the bullets to hit consistently where I am aiming.
these double rifles are much heavier out at the muzzle end than I am used to of course. I wonder if that is causing me collapse a little during the trigger squeeze and this the slightly low bullet impacts. I wish I had more information on proper offhanded shooting technique on double rifles but I will keep trying to find a methodology that works for me.

 

[Jerycmeach]

Let me give you an update on my preparation for my upcoming Botswana NG 13 elephant hunt. I’m not a planner and that May bite me in the butt this time around. It is two weeks until my hunt and I am so unprepared! I bought a double rifle just a few weeks before the hunt when I started to realize the historical and romantic significance of these firearms. Only now I am beginning to fear that may have not have been enough time to get everything lined out properly. Let me explain. I have been working on all the ins and outs of the permitting for the firearm permits and just today was notified that all my paperwork has finally been “turned in”! Now we wait for the various governmental agencies and the airlines to respond and issue the permits. All of this is more complicated than I had ever imagined.
Now let’s talk about the rifle. I had to drive down to JJ’s in sands springs Oklahoma today and have him love on my CHAPUIS ELAN again! This was the third time I have had JJ “lay hands” on my rifle to provide needed service. At first you and I may think “ why would a brand new rifle need all this service”? I can understand that point of view and to tell you the truthI have had that same thought. The first trip was to get the trijicon sight out on. That isn’t a repair just a desired installation. The next trip down to JJ’s was for triggers that I found too heavy for my liking. I measured the weight of pull at 6 pounds for the front trigger and 7 pounds 12 ounces on the back trigger. My scale was created using fishing weights in a sock and a piece of wire hooked to the trigger so definitely; not a “accurate measuring device!” JJ used a real trigger pull gauge and pulled it in the proper direction and noted the weights were 5 on the front trigger and 5 3/4 pounds on the back trigger. JJ set the triggers to the weight he advised for me. Four pounds in the front trigger and 4 1/2 piunds in the back trigger. Now we come to the purpose of todays trip to JJ’s. My right shoulder has a rotator cuff tear that has not been treated. I’m in misery! No time to get this looked into; I have this hunt coming up! Once again! Failure to prepare properly! I understand! Because of the shoulder injury I thought a sling would be in order for the double rifle. I could not remover the “filler” screw from the rib of my rifle that would allow me to install the sling swivels provided with the gun. I am no novice to basic gunsmithing tools and own several sets. I could not get this screw out! Crap! Back to JJ’s today. He removed the screw with great skill and installed some quick detach sling swivels that he provided mounting them in the barrel rib as well as the stock. I’m good to go thanks to JJ!
Here is my final thought in all if this. Think about anything you have ever done. Let’s take compound bow shooting. You would never think of buying a new bow and then rushing out hunting. There is fine tuning of the arrow flight. Paper tuning if you will. There is draw length adjustment. There is choosing a release your happy with and building muscle memory for a perfect release. There are sights to be mounted, a stabilizer, and you need to work on your anchor point. And above all practice, practice, practice!
I was a commercial spear fisherman at one point in my life. I killed fish with a spear gun and power head in the federal waters off the east coast of florida. You understand, I am taking about using a firearm cartridge, at depth that detonates on impact with the fish. Maybe describing it as a “zip gun” on the end of a stainless steel shaft fired from a speargun makes it more understandable. If you think for a moment you can buy the gear I’m talking about “off the shelf” and make a living spear fishing without lots of tuning and practice you are sadly mistaken! So, I saying all this to say I should have realized the “journey” to get this rifle just like I want it, shooting it well, trigger pull I’m happy with, and all the rest was not going to happen overnight! So I’m happy to start shooting the rifle again tomorrow and I hope all the permits and paperwork is approved. It would really mean a lot to me if I am able to take the elephant with my double rifle. Thanks to everyone on AH that has been so helpful to me!

 

[PARA45]

I can't wait to see pictures and read your report. Good luck to you sir, keep those updates coming.