One cartridge to hunt dangerous game for the rest of your life and it can't be a 375, what are you going with?

[spike.t]

505 gibbs. As many have said i have one and bloody well love the thing

Mmmm....it loves your nose too.....

 

[norfolk shooter]

Mmmm....it loves your nose too.....

cant beat a scope to the nose to stop complacency

 

[Challer]

416/500. Why do we play these games?

 

[norfolk shooter]

416/500. Why do we play these games?

Cuz its fun

 

[McKenzie Sims]

What would you choose? 9.3 doesn't count either.

A 416? 404? 458? Something bigger?

What and why?

416 and 404 Jeffery.
Reasoning I already, they have all done good for me they pack a punch without totally beating the guy up on the other end.

 

[Safari Dave]

.416 Rigby



Come on guys, we had to pick "one"...

 

[cajunchefray]

My Whitworth .458 WM, because it fits well. 400 Woodleigh SP, and 500 grain as needed.

 

[Luvthunt]

Without advantage of audit looks like the 416, 458 calibers are in majority.

 

[Certus]

.458 win mag, a commonly available, versatile, classic safari cartridge.

 

[Northern Shooter]

Without advantage of audit looks like the 416, 458 calibers are in majority.

Yup, they seem to get "the next best thing" or atleast the next most popular choices.

I went into this thinking I'd choose the 416 Rigby but have been giving my 458 WinMag a second thought as it seems to be the more versatile of the two given factory loaded options (300-500grain).

 

[cajunchefray]

My Whitworth .458 WM, because it fits well. 400 Woodleigh SP, and 500 grain as needed.

I am a student of the big bore rifle, with no Africa Game Fields experience.
That will change soon. Cape Buffalo is my quest.

Working from some sage advice from @RayAtkinson, I realized the .458 Win Mag, loaded with good 400 grain Woodleigh bullets, as original .404 Jeffery will get it done. Medium charge of Varget. And I can shoot it.

I have tried Ruger RSM's in .375, .416 Rigby, 458 Lott, Winchester 70's in .375, .416 Remington,
458 Win mag, and CZ 550s in .416 Rigby, and .500 Jeffery. I sold them all.

The Whitworth .458 Win Mag is the rifle I can shoot well. It just fits me, plus I have a matching custom 1912 Steyr Mauser 98, .35 Whelen, with a Whitworth stock. These just fit me without a custom stock upgrade.

That is what I have settled on for the choice of "which one."

 

[Riflecrank]

Wise man.

So what happens if we allow the .458 WinMag the same higher pressure and almost as long a COL as the .458 Lott is allowed ?

The Woodleigh data would allow the .458 Lott to be 3.465" COL with the 400-gr PPSN crimped in the middle of the cannelure with 2.800" brass.

If we allow the .458 WM+ load a COL of 3.425" by adding an extra cannelure,
we can load the same charge of H4895 as was a compressed charge in the .458 Lott,
using a drop tube for the .458 WM+ of course.
Even if the .458 Lott was in a 24" barrel and my .458 WM+ had a 25" barrel,
the .458 WinMag can have an MV subtraction for 1" extra barrel and it still wins.

And there is a better bullet than the Woodleigh 400-gr PPSN.
It is the Hammer Bullets 404-gr Shock Hammer.
Many of us .458 WinMag aficionados routinely load that bullet to +2500 fps at 3.380" COL in 22" to 24" barrel lengths.
That is with a non-compressed load of AA-2230.
That is a .458 WM+ load that works in any SAAMI .458 Winchester magazine repeater I know of.
One shot kills on cape buffalo bulls and bull giraffe thus far documented.

 

[Ruraldoc]

I would go with my Ruger Number One in 450/400 or my M70 in 416 Remington.

Both work on anything.

 

[375Ruger416]

404J or 416 Rem in a magazine rifle. Blaser R8 comes in both I think . Doubles don’t appeal to me, but if pressed I’d take a 450/400.

 

[hoytcanon]

The only reason I chose the .458 WM over the .458 Lott, is that my M77 Mark II Stainless Carbine is just such a nice carry rifle over the RSM the Lott is in. If I didn't have that option, it would be the Lott over a plethora of .375's.

 

[eyedok]

.404 Jeffery, but prefer my .375 Whitworth, fits me perfect too

 

[Riflecrank]

For the duffers who prefer a heavier bullet loaded longer than the .458 Lott can handle,
try this in your .458 WinMag:

Subsonic loads with same bullet?

I re-throated a .458 B&M with a SAAMI .458 WinMag reamer.
Now I have two cartridges that can beat a .458 Lott with shorter brass.
Make that three, also the .45-70 Elko Magnum beats a .458 Lott.
Higher velocity or lower pressure or both with fine tuning of handloads.
The non-handloaders will just have to settle for factory loads.

 

[gzr]

If you forced me out of .375H&H, it would have to be .458 Win Mag in a Model 70 Safari Express for me, though I would really have to work up to the recoil.

I'd run loads from 250 to 500 grains depending on what was needed. I think it would be a blast to use with Trail Boss and light bullets. I also bet a 350-400 grain TSX would do amazing things without rattling my eye sockets.

 

[Boone66]

I’d have to go with a 450/400 3”. Preferably in an underleaver double. @Tom Leoni knows exactly the proper rifle.

I was wondering when someone was going to list this cartridge.

 

[Boone66]

And I'll help....or not.

The 22Lr is known to be successful on deer with proper shot placement and at relatively close ranges. But why? When one can use a 22 mag with better velocity using the same weight or a heavier bullet at a longer range.

And back to the Original Post. Please.

22 Hornet is even better for deer, yokes and turkeys.