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Several reports last couple of days that the actual death rate is “likely” comparable to seasonal flu. “Orders of magnitude” below original estimates. Some hospitals overwhelmed because of actual disproportionate effect on elderly, but also medical communities’ collective decision to put in place draconian isolation measures; measures that reduced staff (staff exposure isolation), and cut capacity.

I suspect that in the decades ahead, should some rationality return, this will be studied more as a case of media and social network driven mass hysteria than a dangerous epidemic. A hysteria that affected governments, the medical profession, and the public.

A contributing factor was China’s reporting that played down actual cases, thus raising the apparent death rate. I hasten to add, the only “conspiracy” involved was trying to protect the image of the communist party and leadership.
 
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Just wondering at the legality of governments destroying thousands of good businesses worldwide.....

BBC News - Italy’s coronavirus lockdown puts restaurants out of business
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52282117

Well, with us in Germany it is not different.

The Italian government yesterday rejected a 39 billion loan from the EU.
Why? Because it is linked to conditions and a repayment plan.
But they reject it completely.
I don't understand why the Italians believe ,that the other nations should give away their tax money without repayment and reforms,which are necessarry?
The Mafia is most happy about the stupidities (which are guaranteed to come) of the EU North.
 
Well, with us in Germany it is not different.

The Italian government yesterday rejected a 39 billion loan from the EU.
Why? Because it is linked to conditions and a repayment plan.
But they reject it completely.
I don't understand why the Italians believe ,that the other nations should give away their tax money without repayment and reforms,which are necessarry?
The Mafia is most happy about the stupidities (which are guaranteed to come) of the EU North.

Yes I have been reading that in southern Italy the mafia is giving away food and supplies and regaining lost ground....and popularity in these poorer regions....but that always comes with a payback.... Also trying to get my head around the fact that most countries are now basically police states that would have seemed like science fiction only few months ago.... As I said I wonder how it works when governments order businesses to close and this through no fault of theirs leads to the destruction of these businesses..... As I said early on in this thread tourism and it's many associated enterprises is probably one of if not the biggest employer in the world , but due to its nature if/when these governments lift restrictions will be the last one allowed to open up....by then as the video showed it will be too late..... And in a lot of third world places tourism is the main earner of foreign income and employment... the lost tax to government will be huge....and everyone of them is borrowing to the max....so in the future how will they manage to keep the standard of healthcare ....infrastructure..etc...etc...etc...going even to the standard it was before this crisis...when even then a lot of it was not in a great condition..... Probably sitting around here tiring my brain too much....:(
 
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The media and public have been asking questions on how the modeling/predictions from "experts" could be so wrong. Original numbers from models were much, much higher than what we are actually seeing.

I've worked as an engineer in the oil industry, all my adult life. Oil companies do lots of modeling or what is usually referred to as simulation. We have a saying, "All models are wrong, however some are useful." Models are good for predicting the direction data will move, but it's good to not hang your hat on the actual outcome on early models.

Models are based on a lot of assumptions. The more you know about what you are modeling, the better assumptions the modeler can make and the better results or output from the model will occur. In the oil industry, we will model reservoirs or entire oilfields with producing lives of 10, 20, 30 or more years. As you collect real data, the model can be re-calibrated until the model gets a good history match of what's actually occurred and then give a better prediction on future performance. Theoretically, a better prediction is made each time you re-calibrate with more real data. People that do the actual modeling fall in love with their models and fall into the trap of believing them to be gospel.

Modeling the COVID-19 is problematic due to lack of knowledge on the subject. For instance, if you look at something as simple as how quickly will the number of cases or the number of fatalities double. This has been what the media has focused on, asking "how can the numbers be so wrong?" If you do some simple math, say compare a doubling rate of 4 days vs 5 days and run the model for 60 days, you can clearly see how the numbers diverge substantially. If you make the assumption that something doubles every 4 days, you go from 1 on day 1 to 32,768 on day 60. Changing the doubling rate from 4 days to 5 days, you go from 1 on day 1 to only 4,096 on day 60. So you can see by this example that a seemingly small change to a key assumption makes for a large change on the prediction.
 
375 Ruger Fan, I think you've nailed it. Something I am worried about is just how in love with their models the "experts" are. How willing Will they be to revise their erroneous assumptions.
 
Models are based on a lot of assumptions. The more you know about what you are modeling, the better assumptions the modeler can make and the better results or output from the model will occur.
What's that old saying - Garbage in, Garbage out
 
I figure when I see Mitch and Nancy convening Congress and Simple Joe and King Donny out shaking hands and kissing babies I will know it's all clear. Bet you we won't see that anytime soon.
 
From what I remember about sars nobody seemed to take much notice... I can remember traveling and seeing a few Chinese with face masks on at airports and it was strange...... I wonder how it would have been now if all the social media and 24 hours a day coverage didn't exist same as then......
 
Seeing Uk high street chain store big names filing for protection.... Some had issues before but this shit storm with forced closures has been final straw ..even screwing up survival plans or sales.....I must say I can now understand how people want to revolt against governments who are riding rough shod over their people and their businesses and in doing so their families futures..... Might even forgive the colonials for their behaviour in 1776.....because I would probably have been there with you...... Some harsh realism has to be brought into this scenario.......
 

Should become a member of a government then.....or WHO...or UN....when you see them driving around in brand new vx land cruisers.... Prados... hilux...Nissan patrols.... Etc....even a nice range rover....sorted as they seem to enjoy it as well.....
 
The so called "experts", predicted 1.5 million or more Coronavirus cases in the USA by Easter. They were off by almost 66%.
 
Found this interesting video on YouTube. There are several versions you can look up yourselves if interested. -Wuhan China meat market—you have been warned! I apologize if this has been posted already and I missed it-
 
From what I remember about sars nobody seemed to take much notice... I can remember traveling and seeing a few Chinese with face masks on at airports and it was strange...... I wonder how it would have been now if all the social media and 24 hours a day coverage didn't exist same as then......

8000 cases worldwide. Not exactly apples to oranges.
 
8000 cases worldwide. Not exactly apples to oranges.

Considerably more deadly...... But not what I was bringing up.... :E Doh:....read my post..... Talking about the effects of social media and tv news coverage 24 hours a day..... Simple... and to put it bluntly I don't give a fk about apples and oranges....what has fruit to do with it.......
 
Considerably more deadly...... But not what I was bringing up.... :E Doh:....read my post..... Talking about the effects of social media and tv news coverage 24 hours a day..... Simple... and to put it bluntly I don't give a fk about apples and oranges....what has fruit to do with it.......

Well, you’re the one that brought SARS up. As far as social media, there was plenty of that and 24 hour news coverage around during the Ebola outbreak. I can’t tell that it had a lot of effect on any actions that were taken. I think social media is just the go to phrase now when something is going on that people don’t like.
 
Well, you’re the one that brought SARS up. As far as social media, there was plenty of that and 24 hour news coverage around during the Ebola outbreak. I can’t tell that it had a lot of effect on any actions that were taken. I think social media is just the go to phrase now when something is going on that people don’t like.

Jeez Ebola was an African thing basically..... USA had cases but none here or SA etc...but from the panic in usa you would have thought every country in Africa had it.....and can't remember it being anything like this shit storm of brain washing..... and yes social media is way bigger now....and to blame for lots of crap...Simple......
 
Might even forgive the colonials for their behaviour in 1776.....because I would probably have been there with you......

I'm framing this one. ;)
 
Jeez Ebola was an African thing basically..... USA had cases but none here or SA etc...but from the panic in usa you would have thought every country in Africa had it.....and can't remember it being anything like this shit storm of brain washing..... and yes social media is way bigger now....and to blame for lots of crap...Simple......

It was a joke. I went to Zim in 2014 during Ebola and people asked me when I got home was I scared. I had to explain to them that I was closer to Ebola at home in Atlanta than i was while in Zim. :rolleyes:
 

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