Sorry I don't buy into that. Your buddy at Barnes should consider having a disclaimer put on the box. "Only for use on Buffalo and elephant". I can go back to my experience on Buffalo with the first Barnes bullets but it probably isn't relevant any more. There are lots of good premium bullets on the market now. It seems to me that for some reason it is popular to be fan of Barnes bullets and they may be OK for some applications. But for sure there are lots of better bullets out there than Barnes that expand, penetrate, and hold on to their weight.:headscratch: In the end all any of us want is a bullet that kills quick clean.