Have you ever had your ammo weighed when travelling out of the USA

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Hi Guys - quick question - as above .......

I am soon to be in the USA and obv.I can get specialist ammo for my rifle which is not available locally ...


to further compound the problem ...... my USA buddy found a clearance on said caliber - so I have like 10kgs or 22lbs of ammo to bring home .........


Would love your thoughts

Stephen
 
It looks like a person visiting Iceland needs a form from the police there before they can bring it in for something like hunting the same as South Africa. But you as being a citizen of the country would have a different set of rules? You should check with the local customs/police. How many rounds? The limit in SA is 200 rounds per caliber.
 
Appreciate the info - good to know the SA limit .. is not only weight restricted but also number restricted ......

basically I am flying back from the USA to Iceland - no hassle here in Iceland - just wondering if any of the USA guys leaving the USA have ever had their ammo weighed
 
I have had my ammo checked 2 times leaving the USA...

I am not sure if they weighted it or not they opened the case to make an inspection.

the first time i had 6 boxes right at 10.8 lbs. checked in Seattle
the other time i had 3 boxes right at 5.7 lbs... checked in Albuquerque
 
James appreciate it .... would put them in reloading boxes obv. not in org paper as that is asking for trouble,

Quick question does the ammo be in the rifle case when leaving the USA or just in your suitcase ?

Stephen
 
DO NOT DO IT. :A Whacky:

"Dangerous goods are items that may endanger the safety of an aircraft....."

Ammunition is considered a dangerous good.

"Endangering the safety of an aircraft, the most severe of the charges, carries a maximum sentence of life in prison."


It's an IATA agreement.
ALL airlines in the IATA are bound by it.

"Ammunition (cartridges for weapons), securely packaged (in Div. 1.4S, UN 0012 or
UN 0014 only), in quantities not exceeding 5 kg gross weight per person for that person's own use. Allowances for more than one person must not be combined into one or more packages. "


Properly stored it does not have to be in the original boxes. It can be in your checked (obviously) luggage.

Safe trip.
 
Brickburn - thanks for saving my life ............. want to back me up when I get a chance of a "bitch of the bush "

Appreciate the input - had not thought of that one ...
I know my local Flag carrier does not care how much ammo you carry .... however travelling to strange countries with different rules ....

Merry Christmas

Everyone thanks to Brickburn you can consider this thread closed
 
I have been asked how much my ammo weighed every time I have left Canada, and in every case, I was at about 10 lbs, so a bit below the 5 kg limit. They have never checked, but I have little doubt that if they did so, I would have had some trouble. Even if that trouble is not as serious as the max that Brickburn points out, assume that "customer service" agents are necessarily fans of hunting, or guns, and wouldn't think twice before making trouble for those who break the rules.

Heck, they won't think twice about making trouble for those who follow the rules!
 
Sorry to kill the discussion.
Like Hank said, not bloody likely to get a max sentence.
Who needs the hassle. Certainly not worth the money savings on Ammo.

As Hank pointed out. You will have to get past the Customer Service rep and on many airlines sign document saying what is in the container.


A couple of drunk Canadian chics decided to have smoke on an airline over the US.
The plane was escorted back to Canada by CF-18's.



http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/sunwing-passenger-gets-bail-after-in-flight-scuffle-1.1980445#
 
Sorry Brick, but you don't have all the correct information.....

I have flown many times with Ammo, and it is not a problem if you know the rules of your airline and follow them. The first thing to go is check your airlines requirements. Each airline has slightly different requirements. Once you know their rules you can make your plan from there. Also print out their rules/requirements and bring them with you when you check in just in case you are smarter than the agent at the counter. This did happen one time, and when i showed him the printout from the company web site, he said thanks for the info and asked if he could make a copy for his future reference. Bottom line, it was not a problem.

If you are buying factory, I would also suggest you leave them in the box they came in.

What airline are you flying on??

For example, according to the Delta site, here is an abbreviated list:

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en...aggage/before-your-trip/restricted-items.html
......
We allow small arms ammunition, in quantities not exceeding 11 lbs. (5 kg) per person, as checked-baggage only. The weapon must be securely boxed and intended for that person's own use. More than one passenger may not combine quantities into one package. See more details/guidelines under shooting equipment.

Shooting equipment is allowed as checked baggage only. It must fit within the very specific criteria that we outline below.
......
  • Ensure small arms ammunition is packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, plastic or metal boxes and provide separation for cartridges.
  • You are responsible for knowledge of and compliance with all Federal, State or local laws regarding the possession and transportation of firearms. For more information about this regulation you can visit the TSA website.
  • If you are transporting a firearm to the United Kingdom, a permit from the United Kingdom is specifically required. You must contact the United Kingdom for more information about securing this permit.
The following types of ammunition are not accepted:

  • Gun powder; such as Pyrodex or Black Powder
  • Ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles
  • Ammunition exceeding 11 pounds (5 kg) gross weight per passenger
 
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Sorry Brick, but you don't have all the correct information.....
...

I will never have an issue with information being corrected. Thanks

Not sure what I missed.
Every airline does prescribe other details. But the basics for EVERY airline based on
IATA guidelines are MAX: 5kg of Ammo.

.............. - so I have like 10kgs or 22lbs of ammo to bring home .........

The OP can not take 10kg as he had queried.
Hence my end of world warning.

Hope that is more clear. :A Yes:
 
Can you ship it back separately? I would stick to the 5 kg or 11 pound rule in checked baggage. And on top of that, have it in a locked plastic case. Be sure that case is light weight, I could not win the argument that the ammo itself was under 11 pounds and the case was 2 pounds. I tried. Fortunately we were under on my wifes ammo and moved a box into hers.

A little airplane insight;
Air France wanted our ammo NOT in the checked baggage and checked through by itself so they could put it in a separate compartment on the plane.... In that case, I wonder if they would allow more? Stop here or read my story below if you want more detail;

Coming home from Zim. last month we had our remaining ammo (well under the 5kg limit) packed in our bags, in it's original factory boxes and locked in plastic cases (a pistol case and a plastic ammo box). Checked in Bulawayo on SAA to Joberg where we connected onto Air France... Of course AF was not open so we waited for ever and when they finally did open, we were asked about our ammo.... I proudly told them it was all packed as it should be and in our checked luggage.... Oh NO! It cannot be! We have to pull those bags!

Last (and first time) time we travel with ammo, they wanted it packed... Well this young woman explained that the "airport" has a regulation that it cannot be packed in checked luggage and has to be sent in it's own case and checked through that way. Several phone calls and much time waiting and she informs us to proceed to the gate and they will pull our bags, bring them up the raceway and have us take the ammo out and simply gate check it, no charge, right there. So we go through security and to the gate.... Early, no one from the airline there... When they do show up, they herd us back and fence us off to re-check passports and boarding passes... But before they can do that, they have to catch up on all the gossip with each other, drink some coffee, visit some more, someone brought out some cookies to share, more coffee, more gossip, do their nails, etc. Then when it is time to board I am finally allowed to approach. The same young lady is there and asks if they brought up my luggage... NO. So now it is an emergency.... So I try to point out the sign behind her head that lists all the things that you cannot check in your luggage, liquids etc... The last thing on the list says "a passenger is allowed up to 5 kgs of sporting ammo to be checked in their luggage". She assures me that she knows all about the sign and that it is a list of things you cannot have in your luggage and that is why they must get the ammo out and why in the World would they have allowed us to check it that way in the first place!? (they actually made us count each round in front of them in Bulawayo and relock and pack it!). So I explain that perhaps she does not understand the English on the sign and exactly what it says... Like that got me anywhere!

They had found my bag, I pulled out the ammo and they gate checked it, no problem. But my wife had a black bag that looks just like 98.5% of the rest of the bags on the plane and they could not find it...... So a older blonde lady comes out and is pissed off from the get go. After several temper tantrums and much refusing to look at the sign, she says it is an Air France regulation and not the air port as the other lady had stated...

And that they simply want to pack the ammo in a non-sealed compartment on the plane. This actually makes sense. If something small like that was to explode, it could do real damage in a pressurized compartment, but probably not much in a non-pressurized one. They finally let me board and decided to not hold up the plane...

The blonde woman said she was going to alert Paris of this dangerous bag. We never heard any more because our flight from Paris to home was Delta... The bags including the lone ammo case all showed up at baggage claim and no more was said about it. We simply grabbed it and went through customs and home.

We will definitely try to go another route next time and attempt to avoid Air France and Paris... They seemed to be chronically late and in 4 times through Paris within 7 months, we have had the paperwork treated 3 different ways. And are usually treated like criminals by the first person to "discover" we are traveling with guns (another way of describing it when we walk up to them and TELL them we are traveling with rifles) ..... Once that first contact gets a person with experience, it is usually smoothed out.
 
No, never.


.
 
Bob, it sounds like you are not moving to France anytime soon:ROFLMAO:;):whistle::D
 
enysse;
We flew through Paris twice. I'm ready to try another route now. The wife was excited about seeing Paris, etc. on the layover... But she got that checked off her list as well....... I think they are really pretty decent about gun laws over there. But they seem to be on their own schedule and kind of make up the rules as they go.

When we got in late back home, the USDA guy with the beagle sniffing bags made a comment that that flight is usually late.... Both times the plane was sitting at the gate for hours before take off, and both times it was delayed because of "cabin prep". Seemed to be lots of supervisors and not too many workers. More like a social event than work.
 
................Be sure that case is light weight, I could not win the argument that the ammo itself was under 11 pounds and the case was 2 pounds. I tried. Fortunately we were under on my wifes ammo and moved a box into hers.
.....................

That just pisses me off. !@@$%$#$!$%!@E!$
If they could read the rule would be apparent.

I call beforehand and make sure there is a note on my file about the rule.
I then make sure I had the written IATA guideline with me. It states the maximum weight of the ammunition can not be over 5 Kg. Nothing about the container.
 
. would put them in reloading boxes obv. not in org paper as that is asking for trouble,

original manufacturers boxes are fine as they are designed in the first place for safe transport of the ammunition, and are specifically mentioned in IATA regs as good to use. its only certain countries that specify whether they have to be placed in a locked seperate container (SA and italy are 2 that i think require this) as opposed to just being able to pack the manufacturers cartons containg the ammo in your checked locked bags which i have done on numerous occassions travelling on BA (not to SA as previous mentioned applies) ). as wayne said 5kgs is the iata limit and i know some people have had it weighed. in the "old days" i can never remember the check in people even asking the weight of ammo you had, and werent bothered . i remember telling them with one very heavy bag (before they bothered with weight limits) that i could hardly lift just saying it had the kitchen sink in and she laughed.........i think there was approx 1200 to 1500 kitchen sinks ;) in there for friends in zim and zambia who couldnt buy those hard to get kitchen sinks in those days!! now luckily in zambia there is not too bad a range for sale :D
 
Flown to SA with Iberia and Swiss Air, both require locked separate containers for ammo, and the IATA rule of 5kg max applies.
 
I have never traveled internationally but I can tell you factory ammunition boxes are not the best way to store ammo for travel. a few years back I was going threw security in Little Rock Arkansas only to find that the factory boxes had fallen apart in my travels. so security decided to confiscate my ammunition because of this. :mad:

-matt
 
This from alaska airlines for domestic flights

Ammunition
On Alaska Airlines flights 001-999 and flights 2000-2999, up to 50 lbs.(domestic) and 11 lbs. (international - where permitted) may be checked. Customers checking in or connecting to Alaska Airlines flights 3440-3499 are limited to 11 lbs. of ammunition. Ammunition must be securely packed in the original manufacturer's package or in a container designed for ammunition and of sufficient strength to protect it from accidental crushing or discharge (i.e. wood, fiber, plastic, or metal). The projectile must be no larger than 11/16" in diameter, the size of a dime. Ammunition may be checked with or separately from the firearm. Spent ammunition shells will be accepted in checked baggage provided they meet the same acceptance procedures as live ammunition (e.g. packed in a crush-proof case)
 

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