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Not sure which forum this should be posted in. Has anyone had experience with or is familiar with Thaba Yamanzi outfitters in South Africa? Any info would be appreciated. TIA ~ Heaney

I have experience with them. a very bad experience. Search for a thread i started regarding my experience back in 2015.

In honor of Cal Pappas - NKWE SAFARIS

WINTERSHOEK SAFARIS

Werner Lewies is the owner's name. Company name is still Motshwere Safaris and Outfitters.

Sorry.... "we had effectively been deceived" not "he had effectively been deceived."

Wow. Almost 4 1/2 years later and Werner hasn't made it to that Internet cafe or back home to his office computer to respond. Hmmmm.

That's what we figured, too, when we arrived. It's what we were led to believe after arrival that ended up causing problems later. And, as I said in my original post, everything was awesome until we figured out he had been effectively deceived. Werner was funny, personable, engaging. His wife...

Thanks, Dennis. If I have any more questions, I will PM or email you. Matt, the shipping tags were collected by the outfitter, at the end of the hunt, and I never actually saw them put on the animals. Guess that's another lesson learned. Thanks for the info. Heaney

Thanks. I took a picture of the nicer zebra hide. I was told their markings were unique.

Congrats! Was your hunt a package, or a la carte? Heaney

Thanks!

I've never had any taxidermy work done. My safari trophies were gonna be a first. Some questions came up in another thread that I thought might better be answered here. 1) How long can capes/skins be kept at the outfitter before they need to be given to the taxidermist for dip and pack? For...

Enysse - I am also concerned about the conditions of my mounts as I have not heard back from the taxidermist there regarding whether he even has them or not. I would assume that they are being well cared for until that point, but cape and mount care is outside my wheelhouse. I also know the...

My package included: kudu, gemsbok, blesbuck, impala, blue wildebeest, warthog, and steenbuck. I did not shoot the warthog, steenbuck, or blesbuck. From the package, I shot the other 4. Off the package, I shot 2 zebras, an eland, and a duiker. He let me swap the duiker for the steenbuck. And...

Enysse, Thanks. The actual price list wasn't the issue. We knew ahead of time that "non-package" animals would cost us. It was what we were led to believe after we arrived. It was that we were lead to believe we could take animals that were not part of our package and that we were no incurring...

In case anyone is interested, I received the following email from Werner telling me he is following this thread. From Werner: Mothswere Safaris 5:49 AM (5 hours ago) to me We do take note about Africahunting forum. You tried to find somebody to back you up because you owe me money……...

He's a helluva salesman. But, in my opinion, a dishonest one. Didn't figure it out until too late.

It is confusing. Mostly because the outfitter was not forthright, was evasive and was deceptive. Yes, there is no doubt it's mine. Even I am sure. No one else had taken a zebra and not recovered it within the time frame. I'm not sure on the protocol for this circumstance. I know that if I had...

Personally, I shot 2 zebras, an eland, and a duiker. They were not in my package. When I asked how much I owed up to that point, and was told nothing, he let me swap the duiker for the steenbuck that was included in my package. I had no intention when I arrived to shoot one zebra, much less...

Thanks!

Sivie, does this forum have private message capabilities? I'd like to contact you to discuss your experience.

Same outfitter?

Dory - thats why the package was so appealing. Individually all the animals in the package add up to almost $9500 (I'm assuming the $3000 kudu). And, that doesn't include daily fees, transportation, or the free observer. And we were there for 14 days. Not a week like a lot of packages. And if...

Here is a copy of the contract between Werner Lewies and me. Agreed to via email. "Werner, This email is to confirm what we just discussed on the phone. We agreed to a plains animal package that includes: - Kudu - Gemsbuck - Blue Wildebeast - Impala - Warthog - Blesbuck - Steenbuck - All...

Here is the package we booked:

I have a copy of their price list from 2013, which are the prices we locked down when we booked the hunt. The difference in the fees they are charging compared to the price list is only about $50 per animal more than the price list. That's not the issue at this point. (It will be when we settle...

Big problem now is my complete lack of trust in this outfitter. Even if we settle on the bill and I pay, I don't have faith that I'll ever see my animals. Once I pay, the ball is back in his court. He holds all the cards. And like I said, I can no longer trust his word. What am I gonna do? Fly...

Thanks for the replies. - I booked directly with the outfitter. We found him at the outdoor show in Salt Lake City in 2013. - I have a contract. Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't cover all the issues I'm having now. I thought it was complete enough. Lesson learned. Brickburn, thanks for the...

I recently spent 2 weeks with Motshwere Safaris in South Africa. What started out as a great hunting trip and vacation has turned into a nightmare with the outfitter. At this point, there is no way I can give a recommendation for Motshwere. Here's the deal: Myself and three friends each...