Spoke with Bill at Swift Bullets yesterday

Same problem in New Zealand, but here it's a generational issue where some live for the benefit and believe it's there birth right to get paid for not working. But the level of work ethics has certainly dropped since covid.

62flint said:

That’s a bs answer. I see it daily. Not being able to get workers.
The migrants are here because a lot of Americans don’t want to work.
I have Guatemalans, Hondurans etc picking vegetables all around me at $15-$18 a hour cash. No deductions and housing is provided free.
Oh and I forget the ones shucking oysters , and working the seafood houses
You can now apply with the government to “sponsor” migrant workers. You have to provide a living wage and housing.
I also know plenty of American citizens that won’t work because they get more living off the governments tit.
I had one man I hired to was cars a few years ago.
Gave him a bicycle to ride 2 miles to my house? I would then give him a ride the rest of the way to work. Told him if the weather was bad I would come pick him up.
After 2 weeks he came to me and told me he had to quit. He went on to explain he was getting more from welfare that I was paying. He told me he needed at least 18 a hour to get what he was getting from the govt for free. That was 10-12 years ago.
We as a society are screwed

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And you probably complain about the border

62flint said:

That’s a bs answer. I see it daily. Not being able to get workers.
The migrants are here because a lot of Americans don’t want to work.
I have Guatemalans, Hondurans etc picking vegetables all around me at $15-$18 a hour cash. No deductions and housing is provided free.
Oh and I forget the ones shucking oysters , and working the seafood houses
You can now apply with the government to “sponsor” migrant workers. You have to provide a living wage and housing.
I also know plenty of American citizens that won’t work because they get more living off the governments tit.
I had one man I hired to was cars a few years ago.
Gave him a bicycle to ride 2 miles to my house? I would then give him a ride the rest of the way to work. Told him if the weather was bad I would come pick him up.
After 2 weeks he came to me and told me he had to quit. He went on to explain he was getting more from welfare that I was paying. He told me he needed at least 18 a hour to get what he was getting from the govt for free. That was 10-12 years ago.
We as a society are screwed

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Same here in lot of places in Europe. Probably worse.

Aaron N said:

Yup. Offer better packages than other companies in your area, and you’ll never be short manpower. Isn’t that what the free market is all about?

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To call him “a shitty employer” is bit rude imo. Maybe the Govts. are a bit shitty for offering such high incentives not to work?

The real problem could be that Quinter KS has a population of 940 people. Might want to move the business somewhere with a larger employee pool.

Mark R said:

To call him “a shitty employer” is bit rude imo. Maybe the Govts. are a bit shitty for offering such high incentives not to work?

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I’d generalize him as “shitty” just by his comment alone, without even needed to know how he runs a business.

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And you probably complain about the border

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Two things can be true at the same time. Not wanting your culture being destroyed and finding that a lot of nationals not having the right work ethic as it once was.

But the two are linked if you ask me. National pride and hard working ethics was once the standard in a lot of places in Europe. After the large migrant waves a lot of national pride has gone away and also the hard working ethics.

There are many causes of this problem, it doesn't mean he is a good or bad employer.

Some people are lazy, most are not. The cost of living is way up and the wages do not match... But this isn't exactly the fault of businesses. Just like the cost of living, the cost of running a business has increased.

I'm thinking the cost of living has got out of hand there and staff has left for more affordable environments. Migrants living ten to a room might think it is okay to work for 2015 wages in a 2024 housing situation. But I would look for something else before putting my family through that. Around here there's simply no way a person can exist on minimum wage without living in a camping tent under a bypass. No joke! Screw that. I'd say goodbye to the nonunion "right to work" low wage mill job and go plant trees or pick tomatoes where at least room and board is provided.

All buddy had to say was “we are having trouble finding workers” and that’s a perfectly reasonable excuse. But instead he decided to take the easy route and blame everyone else.

62flint said:

That’s a bs answer. I see it daily. Not being able to get workers.
The migrants are here because a lot of Americans don’t want to work.
I have Guatemalans, Hondurans etc picking vegetables all around me at $15-$18 a hour cash. No deductions and housing is provided free.
Oh and I forget the ones shucking oysters , and working the seafood houses
You can now apply with the government to “sponsor” migrant workers. You have to provide a living wage and housing.
I also know plenty of American citizens that won’t work because they get more living off the governments tit.
I had one man I hired to was cars a few years ago.
Gave him a bicycle to ride 2 miles to my house? I would then give him a ride the rest of the way to work. Told him if the weather was bad I would come pick him up.
After 2 weeks he came to me and told me he had to quit. He went on to explain he was getting more from welfare that I was paying. He told me he needed at least 18 a hour to get what he was getting from the govt for free. That was 10-12 years ago.
We as a society are screwed

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Well I believe that BS answer is factual; and you did bring up a good point about the migrants being here, but migrants are often preferred employees by American companies because they almost universally DECLINE employer health care - so companies don't have to pony up for the employer contribution and of course those immigrants are willing to live in conditions that Americans usually are not.... Like living 10 people deep in a 3 bedroom house.

The immigrants are also here because they know they can collect welfare as well, in the Texas construction industry it goes something like this......

Your illegal and use a false or stolen SS# - you work and have minimal if any taxes taken out and decline healthcare coverage. Meanwhile your girlfriend/mother of your children files for state benefits and does NOT claim your income as if you don't live in the house - This allows her to collect housing, food stamps & often cash benefits.

Oh and you can use the SS# of your anchor babies to claim the child tax credit - which is an unearned tax credit so you can literally make thousands of dollars profit simply by filing a tax return.

You see illegal immigrants are better than slaves for employers ...... Think about it - you pay them what you want and the government subsidizes the low wages with food stamps and housing allowances and healthcare.

Have another kid on the way?.... no worries just go to the hospital when her water breaks and skip the bill, your child gets a SS# regardless and the cost gets passed onto the insured and tax payers.


Think this isn't an issue, than consider this..... 50% of the babies born in parkland hospital in Dallas in 2022 were born to parents illegally in the USA

deewayne2003 said:

You see illegal immigrants are better than slaves for employers ...... Think about it - you pay them what you want and the government subsidizes the low wages with food stamps and housing allowances and healthcare.

Have another kid on the way?.... no worries just go to the hospital when her water breaks and skip the bill, your child gets a SS# regardless and the cost gets passed onto the insured and tax payers.


Think this isn't an issue, than consider this..... 50% of the babies born in parkland hospital in Dallas in 2022 were born to parents illegally in the USA

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Most to all of the Illegals around me make very good wages in comparison . There is a entire culture of Americans that are simply living off the Govt tit
I can not find fault in the rest of your comments

End of an era
Quality, in things and people, is just a memory
It's not a casuality, it's intentional

At least, this is my feeling

Since we've moved on to the topic...Anyone else notice all 6 of the people killed in the Baltimore Francis Scott Key bridge collapse were foreign nationals? I always thought working on state highways/federal interstates was a decent paying job? Are these the good paying union jobs and "dignity" Joe was talking about?

'If a man shall not work, none shall give him anything to eat" 2 Thessolonians 3:10

Ontario Hunter said:

I'm thinking the cost of living has got out of hand there and staff has left for more affordable environments. Migrants living ten to a room might think it is okay to work for 2015 wages in a 2024 housing situation. But I would look for something else before putting my family through that. Around here there's simply no way a person can exist on minimum wage without living in a camping tent under a bypass. No joke! Screw that. I'd say goodbye to the nonunion "right to work" low wage mill job and go plant trees or pick tomatoes where at least room and board is provided.

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Maybe we should get some of these people legalized and PUT THEM TO WORK.

I've read several of the comments and I guess its no wrong answer but I do know this. A lot of the young people are conditioned to want a job paying 100k a year, with benefits, 60 days paid vacation & work from home. They sat around and watch all these shows like the Kardashians and housewives of LA, Atlanta & Miami & believe they can do the same thing and not realize those people are entertainers. It's unreal, I know I'm in sales. Its unbelievable what this generation believes about work. I just had a guy tell me the other day if I work 4 days a week I need 3 days off to "balance my life".

Yet his wife cleans houses and they are barely making ends meet. He's a skilled electrician with mountains of work to do but he won't do it. He refuses to work on a Friday or Saturday. Won't even think about doing emergency work on Sundays even if someone offers him double the money. It's just unreal people are afraid of work.

spotnspook said:

Since we've moved on to the topic...Anyone else notice all 6 of the people killed in the Baltimore Francis Scott Key bridge collapse were foreign nationals? I always thought working on state highways/federal interstates was a decent paying job? Are these the good paying union jobs and "dignity" Joe was talking about?

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Never know what a contractor is paying his help.

Joe's problem along with a lot of others is that they think that there is no concenquences for paying a higher wage. But tell that to the fast food workers in California who are loosing their jobs due to the new minimum wage law that went into effect on the first.

I'd love a job in a bullet factory especially one that makes such good bullets.

Mark R said:

same here in Oz!!!!

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Add Canada to the list.

I met Bill at SCI a few years ago. A fine gentleman producing an excellent product. I can only wish Swift a swift solution to this current dilemma.

Aaron N said:

So basically he told you that he’s a fairly shitty employer and people have decided to work else where.

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Not necessarily. You can drive around almost anywhere and see homeless camps. Street corners have people joule doing up signs saying, "Homeless. Anything helps. God bless." Sometimes they through in that they're veterans.

Then go into almost any.retail store or restaurant, or almost any other business and find "Help Wanted" or "Now Hiring" signs.

If you go into a grocery store you see some of the pan handlers spending food stamps or whatever they call.them now.

It's pretty.clear that the drug culture and liberal policies are breaking this country.