Women as Professional Hunters; What's with that?

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  1. PHOENIX PHIL

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    Umm, no she is not a PH and she didn't claim to be one. The interviewer put that title on her. She does make appearances on her dad's show not much differently than Craig Boddington's daughter Brittny does. And the fact that she teared up in that one segment does not bother me in the least, it was after all her first animal taken. If I ever get to a point I sense no sadness whatsoever in taking an animal, I hope I have the good sense to quit hunting because it will have devolved to just killing.
     

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    Maybe you are right regarding the PH status, I only read what it's stand... Anyhow her father is a "Professional Outfitter" so I guess the word "professional" is widely use in them family ;)
     

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    Been watching Jim Shockey's show for years, even met him a couple times. And yes he has an outfitting business in Canada in addition to his show. I've never heard Eva his daughter referred to as a professional in regards to anything. So I'd respectfully disagree with the family using professional widely.

    As to Jim himself, consummate gentleman who is a great representative of the hunting community. Perhaps before disparaging him and/or his family, you should do a little research on him. Maybe come across the pond and meet him yourself at SCI. Your opinion I think will change.
     

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    I have never met Jim, but I know a few folks who are acquainted with him. Several quite well. He seems to be held in fairly high regard by those who do actually know him personally. My impression of both Jim and his daughter Eva is that they are are good ambassadors for hunting and conservation, as well as being good people in general.
     

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    Phil, I did not mean anything personal to Jim Shockey only that I never hear the title "professional outfitter" that he use in his shows, maybe there is "professional outfitters" and then "outfitters" that are not that "professional" over there ?? :).
     

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    Fist of all it's not a trophy.. it's a living creature, and to have a wounded animal still out there bleeding and slowly dying is indeed sad for everyone involved.

    If its help to cry ?? I don't think so...
     

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    In Africa there appear to be folks with a title Professional Hunter. (I guess that is an upgrade from White Hunter to be more inclusive)
    Most folks over here ask what the heck a "PH" is? Makes no sense to them. What does Chemistry have to do with hunting? (pH is the negative logarithm of the effective hydrogen-ion concentration or hydrogen-ion activity in gram equivalents per liter of the solution.)

    Over here we just call them guides, because they guide people on a hunt. I think he had to slip that Professional word in to help you guys on that side of the water understand that people make money over here by dragging hunters around in the bush.
     

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    Salt and pepper go together,......Gordon and Female PH's just don't!!
     

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    You have a peculiar way of not intending to be personal in your comments GK. Jim Shockey in addition to his outfitting business is quite an accomplished hunter. His shows have covered hunts literally from all over the world including numerous countries on the African continent. I met one of his PH's at the 2014 SCI convention. This particular PH whose name I've forgotten is known as one of if not the most accomplished bowhunter there is on this earth. In his words, "Jim is the real deal when it comes to hunting, he's not just some showman."

    Jim's tv show has through the years included appearances with his now passed father and father-in-law. These shows in my opinion were some of the best as those two gents were very entertaining. Reminding us that hunting is supposed to be fun and how it can be a family affair. Point being, Jim's celebrity status from what I can tell has not gone to his head.

    In his shows abroad, he always manages to teach us a bit about the culture of the place he is in. He always is giving respect to the people and their customs of these foreign lands.

    I don't know about you, but for me he embodies the word professional.

    As far his daughter Eva goes and back on the topic of women as PH's or perhaps women as hunters, I haven't any idea what Eva's plans are. Will she become a guide? Will she continue to be on the show in future years? I don't know. But for now if she wants to use her good looks to promote hunting and that encourages other young women to jump in and give it a go, well then I say more power to her and I'm happy to have her in the hunting community.
     
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    No kidding.
     

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    Simon, Yes It's quite obvious, isn't it ?

    Walkingpray, I don't like to go into specific details but I can tell you that during the RSA influence of the war in Mozambique I seen things that was change my mind regarding how the black population in reality thinking during starvation and pressure. There is not a tomorrow and I can see exactly the same in some places of East part of RSA today !

    Safety is therefore a high priority all over Africa today, as more north you travel from RSA it's danger increase, some part is more relaxed but no safe even in South Africa... a year ago I see a white guy get killed over a box of Marlboro..

    I think Simon can back me up here, again I can not even thinking of to have a female ph risk the huge responsibility when it's comes to driving around with a client, the PH is also a bodyguard and have to always protect the client....

    Is this so difficult to understand ?

    G
     
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    Gordon, there's space for Female PH's hunting from luxury lodges in South Africa, where help is a phone call away. But I will have to agree with you, that in the remote areas, it's a different ball game. Last year myself and my Ph got caught in an ambush for over 20 minutes, we had gotten cut off from our military convoy, bullets flying all around us, thankfully Renamo/Frelimo have now made peace. Besides the ambush, I feel 10 times safer in Mozambique than I do on any day than being in Johannesburg.

    Mechanics, males just grow up knowing vehicle stuff, keeping your vehicles up to scratch in remote areas takes experience and knowledge, would a women be able to change a landcruiser flat tire...I doubt it.

    Can a women handle a chainsaw?
    Can a women stripe a rifle down?
    Can a women handle recoil on large calibers?
    Does she have the strength to remove big logs out the road( this we do daily on our roads).

    There will be exceptions to the rules, but generally its a mans job.

    Doing the hunt is the easy part of being a PH, its all the hard work behind the scenes that count just as much.
     
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    as with most professions , the six Ps are the name of the game
     
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    Gee this is am interesting discussion - and a bit sad to really.

    Agree they key ingredient is being a good PH above all else.

    As to security, just how much strength is required to pull a trigger? Not the sole domain of men when last I looked...

    If they are good at what they do then who f&$ken cares what gender they are...

    Ado
     
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    So correct me if I'm wrong here. But as I understand things, all African PH's, no matter which country, must attend and successfully complete PH school. Once they've completed this, in at least some of the countries, the new PH school graduate becomes an apprentice PH. From what I've read, being an apprentice PH or Appy as they're sometimes called seems to be something just shy of slave labor. The appy getting every known job that keeps them busy from before sunup to well after sundown in addition to being along during the day for hunting.

    Would it not be during this time as an apprentice that this prospective PH would find out if they have what it takes to do this job? If the concerns concerning a woman being a PH were legitimate, would that woman not get weeded out at this time?
     

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    phil in most countries there isnt a "ph school" as in SA the "school" is being in the bush learning, and the appy works for a ph or safari company as you say being the general gopher /dogsbody learning everything from the ground up in vehicle maintanance, running camps, organising staff and accompanying the ph and clients on hunts learning that side as well. then they can apply/take the exam for their non dangerous game/plainsgame ph licence which entitles them to take clients hunting those types of game, but are still working towards their DG licence. then when the ph/safari company thinks they have the experience/competency to hunt DG with a client they take that exam . its slightly different country to country with lengths of time and exam structures etc.
     
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    So in order for the new PH to be licensed for DG he/she must essentially be endorsed by a PH licensed for DG prior to taking the DG exam?
     

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    I see some good points in that a PH should be able to safeguard the client, but really....if the area is so dangerous that it requires soldier skills...should hunting clients be brought in ..?

    I have the military skills to protect myself with a G3, AK, FN FAL....but that is beside the point here..

    Do you really want to bring paying clients into something resembling a war zone..??
     
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    Hunting is not a sport, game or competition.
    It has nothing to do with bravery or machismo.
    You look for animals, kill them and eat them or take the trophy - that's it.
     

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