To each his own, but my experience is quite different. I find the 85’s that I own extremely accurate. And no complaints with the Opti-lock scope mounts. I understand some folks have some complaints regarding some of the longer action guns with the brass dinging the scope upon ejection. But I have not experienced that complaint. I should add that I am using the low mounts and not the extra low, which might explain why I am not having the problems experienced by others.