Which Calibre Should Be Consigned to the Grave

[Odinsraven]

Following on from another estemed member who wishes,with my full support, to resurrect I am thinking the alternative

Which deserve to die

I would start with 6.5 Creedmoor

I woudl further mention 270 win nothing a 7x57 or 7x64 did not acheive in spades

I know, but as pitchforks are banned in Iceland and indeed flaming torches will stop us reaching our carbon whatever - I feel I am safe here

 

[Muskox]

Did the 6.5 Creedmoor touch you in a in appropriate way?

 

[Odinsraven]

Did the 6.5 Creedmoor touch you in a in appropriate way?

LMAO I am a FFL in Iceland everyone bought them - I decided not to stock as ammo would be the problem - it was but on ballistics, nothing the 6.5x55 cannot achieve - So kids crying they cannot get ammo

Then I go to Africa as I do and foreign hunters there ....it is a death ray - meanwhile I am helping out on sorting the wounded etc !

Everytime a new calibre comes out - I get the bible out - and see it has been done before or pretty close to being done

Before the Great War - DG calibres sorted

Before WW2 plainsgame was sorted - only 17 HMR has made a difference - as can in the UK or Europe take a hare or a rabbit @ 100+ and a fox @ 50 with the same gun !

 

[Tex .416]

.25-06 and Nosler Ballistic Tips. I spent two days chasing deer and pigs wounded by this combo when helping a hunter in a group hunt. I finally gave him my .308 with Barnes. He dropped every animal from there on. The very next week he bought a .308 and has done well ever since.

Anytime a hunter showed up with a nice shiny new Weatherby rifle, the ranch owner would turn and whisper to call the man with tracking dogs and have him on standby.

The ranch owner also imposed a requirement of a .270 Win as a minimum and that reduced problems a lot. In reality, hunters with .270, .308, 7-08, and .30-06 seem to deliver more consistent results than all others.

 

[Aaron N]

None! Variety is the spice of life.

 

[Odinsraven]

.25-06 and Nosler Ballistic Tips. I spent two days chasing deer and pigs wounded by this combo when helping a hunter in a group hunt. I finally gave him my .308 with Barnes. He dropped every animal from there on. The very next week he bought a .308 and has done well ever since.

Anytime a hunter showed up with a nice shiny new Weatherby rifle, the ranch owner would turn and whisper to call the man with tracking dogs and have him on standby.

The ranch owner also imposed a .270 Win as a minimum and that reduced problems a lot. In reality, hunters with .270, .308, 7-08, and .30-06 seem to deliver more consistent results than all others.

Brilliant we had a guy down Africa way with a 30-378

anyhow he had a thing for black wildebeest - brilliant, everyone dead on contact but that thing I declined a shot from it and I have a 505 Gibbs - my buddy took a shot - and regretted it.

Weatherby in Weatherby calibres usually idiots but this guy was amazing !

The .30-378 was originally designed by Roy Weatherby as an anti-personnel/anti-materiel military cartridge for a government contract.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum#cite_note-gdo001-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> The cartridge was created by necking down the .378 Weatherby Magnum to accept a .308 in (7.8 mm) diameter bullet. The United States Army's Redstone Arsenal requested a rifle cartridge that could develop 6,000 ft/s (1,800 m/s) for the effects of light bullets against armor. The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum was able to attain over 5,000 ft/s (1,500 m/s). Using a slower burning and denser propellant, the .30-378 Weatherby Magnum surpassed the US Army's requirement of 6,000 ft/s (1,800 m/s).<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum#cite_note-LSimpson001-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

 

[Aaron N]

Guns/bullets don’t make bad shots, shooters do

 

[deewayne2003]

Guns/bullets don’t make bad shots, shooters do

Could not agree more!

Having said that, the bad shooters are emboldened by the latest flash in the pan calibers and the hunting shows that promote them.

 

[crackerman]

300 Weatherby Magnum based on the guy in my safari camp.

Any caliber is good, even if only supported by a dedicated fan, realistically caliber choice should come with testing.

6.5 Creedmoor is not a horrible choice but a beginner needs to realize that you are not going to shoot a moose at 1200 yards the second time you shoot that gun.

 

[Aaron N]

Could not agree more!

Having said that, the bad shooters are emboldened by the latest flash in the pan calibers and the hunting shows that promote them.

But that’s been the same argument since Samual Baker lamented about the newest whiz-bang cartridges at the turn of the 19th century.

 

[Odinsraven]

300 Weatherby Magnum based on the guy in my safari camp.

Any caliber is good, even if only supported by a dedicated fan, realistically caliber choice should come with testing.

6.5 Creedmoor is not a horrible choice but a beginner needs to realize that you are not going to shoot a moose at 1200 yards the second time you shoot that gun.

Sir the creedmoor mob will find you and sorry

 

[deewayne2003]

But that’s been the same argument since Samual Baker lamented about the newest whiz-bang cartridges at the turn of the 19th century.

Exactly, the biggest development was smokeless powder.....NOT CALIBERS!

 

[odonata]

Here's a short list of the ones whose demise would not cause me any distress. A lot of these choices are based on personal bias not technical merit:

1. Anything with the word "Weatherby" in it.

2. For some reason I can't explain, I seem to have an aversion to acronyms. So feel free to stop making ARC, PRC, RCM, RUM, SAUM, WSM & WSSM cartridges whenever you feel like it.

3. Let's just convert all of the Remington 280's and have the 280 Ackley Improved be the de facto choice. Do we really need both?

4. The 7mm Backcountry (unless of course we decide we really really need 80,000 psi proprietary cartridges in our lives).

5. I doubt I'll every own anything with the words "Nosler" or "Dakota" stamped on the barrel.

Every cartridge I shoot except one was designed before I was born. I'm nostalgically stuck shooting classic long-action cartridges from a century ago.

 

[Aaron N]

Exactly, the biggest development was smokeless powder.....NOT CALIBERS!

Well this new powder facilitated a change from large bore rifles for medium game to the medium bores we use now.

 

[375Fox]

Any 21st century cartridge the creator doesn’t put their name to. First cartridge to come to mind is 7mm backcountry. I don’t think even Federal expects it to survive.

I’m more opposed to marketing than cartridges. Weatherby cartridges were created before the bullet technology advanced to match them. The 6.5 creedmoor isn’t a 300 magnum and most bullets offered are not quality hunting bullets to me, but inexperienced hunters still think it’s something it isn’t.

 

[crackerman]

Sir the creedmoor mob will find you and sorry

I know, I know my only concession is that I am actually trying to find a 6.5CM barrel for my Q Fix. Noveske's new barrel is on my radar.

That will give me a 6.5CM for Eastern Whitetail, varmint, 600 yard local competition, and out west Antelope.
30.06 for black bear, medium plains game, hogs, and mule deer.
.375HH for Bigger plains game, Buffalo, and Moose.
Anything on the planet I anticipate hunting or wanting to hunt.

Thinks like Elk dont call to me when I can hunt Africa for the guided price.

 

[Odinsraven]

Here's a short list of the ones whose demise would not cause me any distress. A lot of these choices are based on personal bias not technical merit:

1. Anything with the word "Weatherby" in it.

2. For some reason I can't explain, I seem to have an aversion to acronyms. So feel free to stop making ARC, PRC, RCM, RUM, SAUM, WSM & WSSM cartridges whenever you feel like it.

3. Let's just convert all of the Remington 280's and have the 280 Ackley Improved be the de facto choice. Do we really need both?

4. The 7mm Backcountry (unless of course we decide we really really need 80,000 psi proprietary cartridges in our lives).

5. I doubt I'll every own anything with the words "Nosler" or "Dakota" stamped on the barrel.

Every cartridge I shoot except one was designed before I was born. I'm nostalgically stuck shooting classic long-action cartridges from a century ago.

Sir it not often I meet a true gentleman go in peace - I have your back from the haters of what you said

Stephen

 

[Rare Breed]

Following on from another estemed member who wishes,with my full support, to resurrect I am thinking the alternative

Which deserve to die

I would start with 6.5 Creedmoor

I woudl further mention 270 win nothing a 7x57 or 7x64 did not acheive in spades

I know, but as pitchforks are banned in Iceland and indeed flaming torches will stop us reaching our carbon whatever - I feel I am safe here

lol…I will preempt my good friend @Bob Nelson 35Whelen by saying the 243

 

[Odinsraven]

Ohh and as I have been poked in a private message to reveal my calibres

basically 303 318 404 505 I may have a relationship with a 7x64 but lets not discuss that - bloody Europeans !

Not fired the 505 in anger but the rest work !

Stephen

 

[Odinsraven]

lol…I will preempt my good friend @Bob Nelson 35Whelen by saying the 243

exactly the 7x57 or 7x64 works -