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A question for you all that I'm sure has been covered before, but that may spark some debate nonetheless.

I find in life generally that I value quality more than quality and that I'm quite happy to save a long time and pay a lot for the 'best'. THis also applies to my thoughts around safaris.

I could probably stretch to a fenced PG hunt in somewhere like SA this year if I really wanted, but actually, my idea of the 'best' safari is that romaticised vision of 'old' Africa. The Africa of Roosevelt, Percival, or Hemingway. I'd happily wait longer and pay more for even a hint of that experience, which bring me onto my question.

Where would you say is closest to this ideal in modern Africa?

As a hypothetical, let's say you're looking for at least 21-30 days, somewhere remote and hard to get to with incredible scenery, massive expanses of ground, all unfenced, spot and stalk, maybe even some cross country travel and camping out? 'Authentic', I guess would be as good a term as any.

I'd like to take a decent range of species to include at least a buff and have the freedom to pick and choose which ones as the mood takes me, but I honestly care very little about the quality of the trophies. I'd much rather spend 2 hard days working in tough terrain to stalk into a representative beast with character, than find a record holder in 3 hours and shoot it 500yds from the truck. Experience over all.

I also find I'm not that fussed about the quality of accomodation. A tent out in the bush is fine if it's in a magical location.

Where would you be looking to go?
 

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I literally asked this question last month. Luangwa in Zambia, Save, BVC in Zim, Selous, And Caprivi would all be placed to look. Mbalabala, John Sharp, Billy Miller, Earnest Dyason with Spear. I have personally spoken to all of these gentleman and would hunt with all of them.
 

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I haven't ever been there but I keep hearing about Tanzania, someday maybe.
 

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Yep, $100,000 plus, Zambia, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Northeast Namibia, Botswana Okavango, lots of choices.

You could also just cut it into 3-4 smaller pieces and travel around the ranches and have a hell of an adventure at $50,000.
 

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Heh, I'm in no rush! If I can hit my career and investment goals, this will be a 40th birthday gig circa 2035. Just fun to dream and discuss for the time being and who knows, a couple promotions, a few more years in the markets like 2020 and it could be sooner than I think!
 

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The markets are going to crash globally, the entire market is held up by fake money.

But I hope it doesn't!
 

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Luangwa valley Zambia, many places in northern Zimbabwe, or Tanzania
 
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Evening gents.

A question for you all that I'm sure has been covered before, but that may spark some debate nonetheless.

I find in life generally that I value quality more than quality and that I'm quite happy to save a long time and pay a lot for the 'best'. THis also applies to my thoughts around safaris.

I could probably stretch to a fenced PG hunt in somewhere like SA this year if I really wanted, but actually, my idea of the 'best' safari is that romaticised vision of 'old' Africa. The Africa of Roosevelt, Percival, or Hemingway. I'd happily wait longer and pay more for even a hint of that experience, which bring me onto my question.

Where would you say is closest to this ideal in modern Africa?

As a hypothetical, let's say you're looking for at least 21-30 days, somewhere remote and hard to get to with incredible scenery, massive expanses of ground, all unfenced, spot and stalk, maybe even some cross country travel and camping out? 'Authentic', I guess would be as good a term as any.

I'd like to take a decent range of species to include at least a buff and have the freedom to pick and choose which ones as the mood takes me, but I honestly care very little about the quality of the trophies. I'd much rather spend 2 hard days working in tough terrain to stalk into a representative beast with character, than find a record holder in 3 hours and shoot it 500yds from the truck. Experience over all.

I also find I'm not that fussed about the quality of accomodation. A tent out in the bush is fine if it's in a magical location.

Where would you be looking to go?
I think I can answer with credibility. Mozambique (Niassa area especially), Tanzania (selous-1000 sq/Km with nobody in one block alone), maybe Zambia.
 

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Mozambique - particularly the swamps of the Zambezi Delta can be pretty darned close. Whether taking a compass heading for a 8-10 km hike from a bird sighting; fighting through the sloughs that halt progress every few hundred yards; or carrying out meat and trophies back to camp - Hemmingway or Ruark would have seen much the same.

Zambezi Delta march to the birds

Zambezi Delta

Carrying out meat and trophies - Coutada 14
 

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Depending on what happens with the factions in Northern Mozambique I would say Niassa, after you done that for 20 odd days the swamps in Moz. both good for buffalo but both completely different and old feeling Africa.
 

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I could probably stretch to a fenced PG hunt in somewhere like SA this year if I really wanted, but actually, my idea of the 'best' safari is that romaticised vision of 'old' Africa.
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As a hypothetical, let's say you're looking for at least 21-30 days, somewhere remote and hard to get to with incredible scenery, massive expanses of ground, all unfenced, spot and stalk, maybe even some cross country travel and camping out? 'Authentic', I guess would be as good a term as any.

You are looking at a cost of six figures for a 28 day Tanzania hunt. Needless to say orders of magnitude more than a fenced RSA hunt. That will be quite a bit of stretching.
 

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Alistaire.
There are many great places in Africa still, but if you are searching for the Ultimate in Remoteness, no local people around or villages, really large areas, non permanent camps with the ability to "Fly camp" away from the main Tented camp, hunt amongst Lions, Leopards, Elephants, Buffalo naturally........
i'd say Tanzania, the south west or Selous.
 

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The romantic notion of a safari in old Africa appeals to almost all true hunters. Liver flukes, malaria, and TB notwithstanding, it must have been inspiring to see endless herds, and wild, lawless places. Currently, the political and demographic situations are so dynamic that it is difficult to choose a venue for a remote hunt. And people want the direct flight. To be picked up from the airport on time, ride in an airconditioned SUV to camp, have their doxycycline ready to go and PCR arranged ahead of time. And they always ask about the WIFI. 54 inch or can I expect a 58 inch kudu?......No, I have rarely seen anyone TRULY asking for the "old Africa". But you are, and I salute you for it..............FWB
 

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Northern Niassa in Mozambique and the Selous in Tanzania are both wild and hold the same species. Moz probably cheaper but politically less stable at the moment. Lots of cats. Buffalo in these areas are generally larger than those in the Zambezi Delta in Moz.

West Central Tanzania in the Rungwa areas are wild and large. Maswa in Tanzania is a great area bordering Serengeti NP. Northwestern Zim has big wild areas. Kasonso in Zambia and other Zambia areas that others have already mentioned. Some Cameroon and CAR areas are very remote and wild.
 

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Evening gents.

A question for you all that I'm sure has been covered before, but that may spark some debate nonetheless.

I find in life generally that I value quality more than quality and that I'm quite happy to save a long time and pay a lot for the 'best'. THis also applies to my thoughts around safaris.

I could probably stretch to a fenced PG hunt in somewhere like SA this year if I really wanted, but actually, my idea of the 'best' safari is that romaticised vision of 'old' Africa. The Africa of Roosevelt, Percival, or Hemingway. I'd happily wait longer and pay more for even a hint of that experience, which bring me onto my question.

Where would you say is closest to this ideal in modern Africa?

As a hypothetical, let's say you're looking for at least 21-30 days, somewhere remote and hard to get to with incredible scenery, massive expanses of ground, all unfenced, spot and stalk, maybe even some cross country travel and camping out? 'Authentic', I guess would be as good a term as any.

I'd like to take a decent range of species to include at least a buff and have the freedom to pick and choose which ones as the mood takes me, but I honestly care very little about the quality of the trophies. I'd much rather spend 2 hard days working in tough terrain to stalk into a representative beast with character, than find a record holder in 3 hours and shoot it 500yds from the truck. Experience over all.

I also find I'm not that fussed about the quality of accomodation. A tent out in the bush is fine if it's in a magical location.

Where would you be looking to go?
I can offer you some will free range hunting in Zimbabwe.
 

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We have one of the top old school safari locations in Africa. Game numbers are great, our remote location ensures virtually zero human activity.
We offer a true old school “track” safari experience.
Feel free to pop me a message our area is located in the 12,000 000 acre Niassa Special Reserve and we have exclusive quota on 265 000 acres.
Take your time, there are many good operators out there and still some spectacular areas to safari in.
Good luck in your search.
My best always
Jaco Strauss
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