Very sad day for conservation. Can we survive with the EU elephant ban?

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Main outcomes of the meeting of the EU Scientific Review Group of 15 September 2015.

The European Union Scientific Review Group (SRG) adopted on 15 September 2015 opinions on the import into the EU of a number of CITES-listed species. It notably agreed to maintain its negative opinion with regard to the import of elephant hunting trophies from Tanzania and Mozambique, while agreeing on a positive opinion for the import of such trophies from Zambia. The SRG confirmed its previous opinions that the import of hunting trophies from lions from Tanzania, Zambia and Mozambique would continue to be subject to strict scrutiny. The SRG also decided to prolong until the end of 2016 the ban on the import and export of European eels and adopted opinions with regard to the import of tropical trees from the Congo basin (African cherry and African teak) into the EU.

The SRG decided to withdraw its negative opinion for the import of hunting trophies for elephants from Zambia. Further to the negative opinion adopted on 9 April 2015 and confirmed at the last SRG meeting on 2 July 2015, the authorities from Zambia provided extensive information to the SRG on the population numbers of elephants in their country and the results from an aerial survey conducted in 2013 in the three main ecosystems for elephants in the country (Luangwa, Kafue and Lower Zambezi), indicating that the population size was estimated at more than 33 000 elephants for these three ecosystems, with an increasing trend. They also indicated that a new survey was on-going, and communicated information on their hunting trophy management scheme, whereby 80 elephant trophies can be exported per year under a number of conditions. On the basis of the information provided, the SRG agreed on a positive opinion for future import of elephant hunting trophies into the EU, but recommended that Zambia share the results from the 2013 survey with the IUCN SSC African Elephant Specialist Group for analysis and incorporation in the African Elephant Database. The SRG maintained its opinion that each import of hunting trophies of lions from Zambia should be assessed on a case by case basis.

The SRG confirmed its negative opinion for the import of hunting trophies for elephants from the United Republic of Tanzania. Further to the adoption of the negative opinion on 2 July 2015, the authorities from Tanzania provided comprehensive information to the SRG on the recent efforts and actions taken to reduce mortality rates due to poaching and showing how much trophy hunting is important to generate revenues for wildlife conservation, development of rural communities and anti-poaching measures. In light of the very steep decrease of elephants in Tanzania in recent years, the SRG considered that it was not in a position to deliver a positive opinion for now. While recognising that progress has been done by Tanzania in the last year to counteract elephant poaching and ivory trafficking, the SRG indicated that information would be needed showing that these efforts have yielded the expected results and that the elephant population has stabilised, before forming a positive opinion for the import of elephant hunting trophies from Tanzania.

In relation to the import of hunting trophies of lions from Tanzania, the SRG maintained its current positive opinion but indicated that clarification would be needed from Tanzania on the setting of the national hunting quota for lion trophies to get reassurance that these quotas would be set according to scientific recommendations. The SRG also encouraged Tanzania to continue to apply its age restriction system. The SRG will review the situation at its first meeting in 2016 based on the response from the Tanzanian authorities regarding their national hunting quota for lions.

The SRG maintained its negative opinion for the import of hunting trophies for elephants from Mozambique. The SRG also maintained its approach that each application for import of hunting trophies for lions from Mozambique should be assessed on a case by case basis.

The SRG also confirmed its negative opinion with regard to trade into and from the EU for the European eel (Anguilla anguilla). This opinion was first adopted in December 2010 and will be in place until the end of 2016, when it will be reviewed again. The European eel is ranked as critically endangered by IUCN and listed in Appendix II of the CITES Convention and Annex B of Council Regulation (EC) No 338/97. The SRG found that, while some progress has been achieved for its recovery in the last years (notably with the implementation of the EU Eel Regulation), its conservation status remains too poor to justify that international trade can resume pursuant to Council Regulation (EC) No 338/97.

The SRG discussed as well how to consider possible increases in export quotas for African cherry (Prunus africana) from the Democratic Republic of Congo and Cameroon. In all cases, the SRG agreed that the information available did not allow to conclude that the proposed increased quotas would be sustainable. It agreed in particular that it would only accept quota increases in the future provided that a number of conditions are met, including with regard to the monitoring of impacts of harvesting on the population of the species in exporting countries.

The SRG issued a positive opinion for imports of African teak (Pericopsis elata) from the Democratic Republic of the Congo with regard to an export quota of 31 905 m³ for the year 2015 based on the fact that the proposed quota is based on management inventories submitted to the forestry administration of DRC. However, the SRG could not accept the proposal from DRC to adopt an additional transitional quota of 19 058 m³ for timber felled in 2014 corresponding to an overall volume of 31 763 m³ in round wood equivalent.

Background information
African elephant (Loxodonta africana) populations from Tanzania, Mozambique and Zambia are included in Appendix I of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and Annex A of Council Regulation (EC) No 338/97. Commercial trade in elephants and their derived products such as ivory is banned.

Hunting trophies benefit from an exemption to this ban, given that they are considered as personal effects and in recognition of the fact that trophy hunting can play a positive role in conservation efforts. Import of hunting trophies is therefore authorised in the EU, under certain conditions designed to ensure that hunting trophy programmes are not detrimental to the conservation of the species, and provide conservation benefits in the case of Annex A species. These conditions are assessed by the Scientific Review Group, in line with Article 4 of Regulation (EC) No 338/97 and the EU Scientific Authorities guidelines available on the Commission’s website.


More information on the EU wildlife trade regulations can be found here: http://ec.europa.eu/environment/cites/home_en.htm.
 
Basically what the EU has said, they have put a ban on the important of elephant from Mozambique to Europe. As a result, I don't think I will be in the situation to keep operating, the 3 elephants we take a season is of vital financial worth. Many families are going to lose the sole family member who had a salary to support them. The government doesn't have the resources to combat poaching, we have been filling that gap. Elephants are going to be slaughtered at a major rate.
 
this is what I don't understand about cites......
any country that has a seat at the table, would know that if there is a cites quota for each individual specie ,for each individual country, how cant these signature countries , not allow ,legally and ethically hunted trophies in....
when the cites ,have done the maths, and the quotas are already in place.
not even mentioning the fact that you and your company , not only employ locals and prop the economy.
but your presence has an absolute positive impact on not only elephant poaching , but near all illegal bush meat trade....
all governments around the globe , really need to pull their heads out of their asses, and for once look at the whole picture .........
sorry that this has happened to you , cobber.......
 
Just before I left to Mozambique to go hunting I decide to check on the allotted quota for CITES Export QUOTA for this year.
At the point the Mozambique Government had not provided the requested documentation that CITES wanted and thus there was NO Export quota set at that point.

Obviously that has changed.

Mozambique must have provided all the scientific data required by CITES to facilitate the decision to have an Export Quota for 2015.

Copied from the latest Export Quota Documents from CITES.



CITES QUOTA 2015.jpg



So, I would have to agree with bluey. Why do countries enter into treaties as parties to the convention and then the EU decides to DUPLICATE the process and unilaterally create their own bans?

I guess sovereign powers can do as they see fit. Perhaps they might want to use some basis in science for the decision and not political expedience.

Is CITES so flawed that it should be disbanded?
 
I guess China can move into Mozambique and save the day. :W Cal 50: :A Skull:
 
Basically what the EU has said, they have put a ban on the important of elephant from Mozambique to Europe. As a result, I don't think I will be in the situation to keep operating, the 3 elephants we take a season is of vital financial worth. Many families are going to lose the sole family member who had a salary to support them. The government doesn't have the resources to combat poaching, we have been filling that gap. Elephants are going to be slaughtered at a major rate.

I feel bad for you and your crew, Simon.

Is it possible to market towards the Russians and Chinese?

I wish for you the wisdom to figure out how best to handle all of this.
 
The Chinese are in Moz.at this time.When I was in Moz.this August every truck driver for the mines was Chinese. John
 
Simon it's a tragic day and I'm so very sorry.
 
Simon. I am sorry to hear this sad news. It's just simply sucks. I do hope you operate as long as you can.

R.
 
Damn it Simon.... Maybe you can get enough sold through Canada And Russia to keep going and perhaps this will turn around. At least the reversal on Zambia shows there is some hope?

this is what I don't understand about cites......
any country that has a seat at the table, would know that if there is a cites quota for each individual specie ,for each individual country, how cant these signature countries , not allow ,legally and ethically hunted trophies in..

Simple, unfortunately. CITES sounds great until you disagree with it. Then, just do what you want.

So, I would have to agree with bluey. Why do countries enter into treaties as parties to the convention and then the EU decides to DUPLICATE the process and unilaterally create their own bans?

Same answer as above. CITES has no teeth. It is just convenient when a country agrees with it. That's it. Not much different from any other international organization whether it be the UN, or hell, the EU. Greece really Pais attention to the rules, didn't they?
 
Simon,

I hope the best for you, your family and those you support through your operations. I really am at a loss when the supposed 'scientific' community doesn't recognize the importance of all facets of wildlife management. It feels as though we need to create our own country - something along the lines of Ayn Rand's Galt's Gulch. Then, we can hunt according to the host country laws and import to our country aligned to Cites.

John
 
Sorry to hear Simon.
I think we as hunters need to start changing the way we think about hunting. We have to embrace the memories, pictures and friends we make on hunts. The trophy is a reward for effort given in a hunt, but the journey is the true reward. I think we are placing too much emphasis on the tusks. I would hate to see Simon lose this concession.
 
not good news for moz eles, camp staff or you simon...........totally sucks!! about cities read what ron thomson said in one of his articles i posted somewhere on here. would try and find it but the internet is too slow to jump around......
 
Find a way! Only the strong survive.
 
Sorry for the bad news Simon, unfortunately these decisions are not taken scientifically, it´s politics, whatever looks good for the electors, and actually hunting has a bad reputation.
 
@enysse , I have been thinking a lot about your last post..."journey is the true reward"...I agree fully with you. I have seen tusks replicated by taxidermist, that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference looking at them. I hope hunters think about doing this, would also save the hunter tons in paperwork and shipping.
 
The Chinese are in Moz.at this time.When I was in Moz.this August every truck driver for the mines was Chinese. John

not only Moz.
When I checked in,at the gate form Job. Airport to Bulawayo;I was surrounded from Chinese.
I thought I was in an innerlocal Airport in China.
These are the african winner of the world.
Germany gives Billions every year to Africa for development aid.
And China build the Streets ,Hospitals ,Govermentbuildings and other Infra-structure with our money.
We are a rare stupid Nation.
Sorry for o.t.
Foxi
 
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not only Moz.
When I checked in,at the gate form Job. Airport to Bulawayo;I was surrounded from Chinese.
I thought I was in an innerlocal Airport in China.
These are the african winner of the world.
Germany gives Billions every year to Africa for development aid.
And China build the Streets ,Hospitals ,Govermentbuildings and other Infra-structure with our money.
We are a rare stupid Nation.
Sorry for o.t.
Foxi

Foxi,

We're just as stupid here in the U.S. Instead of stopping the imports from Tanzania and Zimbabwe, our USFWS and military ought to be going over there, training their personnel, and helping patrol. That would be the best spend of our money and efforts.

John
 
Foxi,

We're just as stupid here in the U.S. Instead of stopping the imports from Tanzania and Zimbabwe, our USFWS and military ought to be going over there, training their personnel, and helping patrol. That would be the best spend of our money and efforts.

John
I agree with all this except I don't think we should send our military over... That would just get us more bad press and bad feelings and our politicians have proven they cannot manage anything so I would not want to see more mess made of things.

Support and follow through on poaching patrols will help some... The real solutions for Africa have to ultimately come from within though. Allow them to manage their wildlife with CITIES science based rules. The absolute best poaching control is a healthy hunting industry with a presence in the bush allowing the African People to earn money from their resources, and to teach/encourage them to invest in them rather than simply exploit them.
 

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