The casual hunter

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Some valid points in that article.. Me, I get as much pleasure to be in the mountains hunting grouse over standing setters as doing high grade hunting in Africa.. When the dog works perfect I and happen to shoot a double´.. :) Same with driven hunts..great fun too..
 
I definitely enjoy hunting. I love talking about all things hunting. However, time, money and opportunity relegate me more to the casual side of the equation. I feel somewhat better about things now lol
 
My government knew that Casual Hunters/Firearms owners were the majority & so actively targeted them with gun-control laws pushing all of them out of the sport leaving only the extreme behind who would "do anything" to keep their guns where as the Casuals just looking to relax and have fun do NOT want to jump through flaming hoops and navigate red tape mazes whilst being ridiculed & demonized by the main stream media as bloodthirsty & unstable individuals... JUST to partake in what should be "fun", nope.
 
TBH, i think the casual hunter is probably the most important spoke in the wheel
without him the wheel falls apart
, every single hunter, casual or once off or dedicated or professional play a part, and each part played is so very vital!!!
 
My dad was a casual hunter. He wore denim jeans and cheap boots and we never went anywhere new and exciting. We had an occasional good hunt for something but success was often rare. Opening day for us rarely lasted more than just that one day.
But I did learn some ethics and respect and I realized early that there was a better way.
Later in life I would take my dad hunting. We went to far off places, hunted new and exotic things and I had gear that made hunting pleasant-rather than plastic bags inside my green and yellow rubber boots. . .
Nothing wrong with casual hunters and I agree we need them. But I’m also glad to be a notch or two above that level-
 
Whenever I reach a point that the hunt is becoming like work, I stop and "touch the ground" so I can refocus and think about why I am hunting. When I become totally obsessed with hunting a particular animal, I force myself to take a "refit refocus" day or two. I believe casual hunters are the foundation of our beautiful sport.

Safe hunting
 
From the article: "When did hunting become such an exclusive community?"

A part of killing the casual hunter? A lack of access.

I am originally from Kansas. So much of Kansas is now leased up by out of state hunters of wealthier means. I have a fair number of friends and family members that used to hunt who no longer due because they grew tired of trying to find places to hunt and decided it wasn't worth the effort. In doing that there is a ripple effect, as for some of them this led to kids or grandkids not being exposed to hunting.

Frankly I don't see it changing. If anything I think this it will continue to move on this direction. Hunting is becoming more and more of a wealthier person's sport. I think it will become an even more exclusive community. I think it's possible in another 100 years hunting may not exist.

A long time ago I saw it starting to move in this direction. Properties I had long had access to were leased up. My solution? I moved to Alaska.
 
The author's theme of "more hunters is better" does not resonate with me. And not because I'm an elitist. Any of you who have been on here for a while know that I'm not. I hunt with old beat up guns, garage floor litter dogs, no technocrap, only hunt public land (here anyway), etc. But I have seen how hunting pressure on North American hunting resources has increased exponentially in the last fifty years. Sadly, throwing more fuel on the fire only adds more heat. The solution is much more complicated. Very much more complicated. Opportunities will only get fewer. It is difficult to encourage casual hunters to get into or stay in the sport when even the basic cost keeps rising while the "benefits" decrease. What benefit is there in battling, literally, for a duck hunting blind or to draw a tag? Or listening to endless SxS buggies tearing through the bush? Or having to pay some landowner an exorbitant fee for the privilege of hunting the game you own? The first thing most new casual hunters do when they decide to check out hunting is take to the field on public land for opening day. Ugh! Best way to kill any interest for the uninitiated. Always a zoo!

Hunting has become shamefully commercialized (fishing is even worse, especially bass fishing!!). The magazine that published the article in the lead post bears large responsibility for that. Its more is better theme, I think, is in large part driven by the need to sell more subscriptions (it's no secret that Outdoor Life and Field & Stream are struggling). One thing I do see is it is increasingly difficult to encourage new casual hunters to pick up a gun and simply learn to enjoy "just being out there" when the "out there" experience becomes increasingly limited and, worse, contaminated with more hunters, more cost, more "neccessary" technocrap, and less to hunt.
 
From the article: "When did hunting become such an exclusive community?"

A part of killing the casual hunter? A lack of access.

I am originally from Kansas. So much of Kansas is now leased up by out of state hunters of wealthier means. I have a fair number of friends and family members that used to hunt who no longer due because they grew tired of trying to find places to hunt and decided it wasn't worth the effort. In doing that there is a ripple effect, as for some of them this led to kids or grandkids not being exposed to hunting.

Frankly I don't see it changing. If anything I think this it will continue to move on this direction. Hunting is becoming more and more of a wealthier person's sport. I think it will become an even more exclusive community. I think it's possible in another 100 years hunting may not exist.

A long time ago I saw it starting to move in this direction. Properties I had long had access to were leased up. My solution? I moved to Alaska.
Texas has sure as heck gotten expensive.
 
From the article: "When did hunting become such an exclusive community?"

A part of killing the casual hunter? A lack of access.

I am originally from Kansas. So much of Kansas is now leased up by out of state hunters of wealthier means. I have a fair number of friends and family members that used to hunt who no longer due because they grew tired of trying to find places to hunt and decided it wasn't worth the effort. In doing that there is a ripple effect, as for some of them this led to kids or grandkids not being exposed to hunting.

Frankly I don't see it changing. If anything I think this it will continue to move on this direction. Hunting is becoming more and more of a wealthier person's sport. I think it will become an even more exclusive community. I think it's possible in another 100 years hunting may not exist.

A long time ago I saw it starting to move in this direction. Properties I had long had access to were leased up. My solution? I moved to Alaska.
Alaska is the solution and the problem all at once. I move here in ‘07. Moose were plentiful. Caribou hunting was easy. Hunting pressure was very noticeable but it seemed like the opportunity was still there for the taking, and it was realistically accessible for the average person. Years later now and it is but it isn’t. The game populations (moose, caribou, sheep) have dropped dramatically in many areas. Hunting pressure has increased to the extreme in many places. I have all but given up on hunting within 100 miles of Fairbanks. I bought a piece of land in a good area for moose, and out of reach for most casual hunters, but it is a pain in the ass to get out there myself. I haven’t fished for salmon around here in years; the interior rivers get shut down by emergency order every season. The folks who don’t mind paying tens of thousands of dollars can get out to less accessible areas and have better chances of success with less competition. I won’t pay thousands of dollars for an aircraft supported hunt to take a moose or a forty mile caribou that I got for 50 bucks worth of gas and 5 bucks worth of ammo 20 years ago. Not in my own backyard. Yet this is what it has become. That caribou hunt in particular is often open in the areas only accessible by airplanes, and closed anywhere accessible by road and trail. It is for good reason, there are too many people hunting.
 
Alaska is the solution and the problem all at once. I move here in ‘07. Moose were plentiful. Caribou hunting was easy. Hunting pressure was very noticeable but it seemed like the opportunity was still there for the taking, and it was realistically accessible for the average person. Years later now and it is but it isn’t. The game populations (moose, caribou, sheep) have dropped dramatically in many areas. Hunting pressure has increased to the extreme in many places. I have all but given up on hunting within 100 miles of Fairbanks. I bought a piece of land in a good area for moose, and out of reach for most casual hunters, but it is a pain in the ass to get out there myself. I haven’t fished for salmon around here in years; the interior rivers get shut down by emergency order every season. The folks who don’t mind paying tens of thousands of dollars can get out to less accessible areas and have better chances of success with less competition. I won’t pay thousands of dollars for an aircraft supported hunt to take a moose or a forty mile caribou that I got for 50 bucks worth of gas and 5 bucks worth of ammo 20 years ago. Not in my own backyard. Yet this is what it has become. That caribou hunt in particular is often open in the areas only accessible by airplanes, and closed anywhere accessible by road and trail. It is for good reason, there are too many people hunting.

Hello from a fellow Alaskan. I am in Dillingham. I hear what you are saying, and maybe we're a little sheltered from that, being off the road system. Also, currently the area I hunt moose is closed to non-residents, and we have a local caribou herd that's only open to watershed residents. It's not perfect - it's not as good as when I moved here. But it's better by far than it would have been had I stayed in Kansas.
 
Hunting has changed a lot its nowhere near what it was when I was growing up in the 60's. I was fortunate I grew up in the city but on the edge of it. Both my Grandparents had farms and 100's of acres to hunt and any neighbor welcomed you to hunt there land. There were very few deer to deer hunt you needed to travel North in the Lower Peninsula or the UP. There were 1000's of pheasants you walked a couple hundred yards and could shoot a days limit. Today it has changes a lot I haven't seen a phesant in around 5 year on the farm. We still have great habitat that I work to keep except coyotes that were not around until 90's are a problem. Deer are where they can be hunted from October 1 until January 11 with 9 deer limit. I'am limited to hunting 120 acres still in the family none of the neighbors allow me to hunt because they lease there farms now.
 
From the article: "When did hunting become such an exclusive community?"

A part of killing the casual hunter? A lack of access.

I am originally from Kansas. So much of Kansas is now leased up by out of state hunters of wealthier means. I have a fair number of friends and family members that used to hunt who no longer due because they grew tired of trying to find places to hunt and decided it wasn't worth the effort. In doing that there is a ripple effect, as for some of them this led to kids or grandkids not being exposed to hunting.

Frankly I don't see it changing. If anything I think this it will continue to move on this direction. Hunting is becoming more and more of a wealthier person's sport. I think it will become an even more exclusive community. I think it's possible in another 100 years hunting may not exist.

A long time ago I saw it starting to move in this direction. Properties I had long had access to were leased up. My solution? I moved to Alaska.
Through out history hasn’t hunting been a rich man’s game?
Kings woods? European estates. And such?

African hunting out necessity
And same in America ?
The common man hunter was kinda outlier?
 
Coming from a dog hunting background.
Some times hunters scare the hell out of me.
There the ones showing up with a 300 when you can’t see more than 100 yds shooting down and across rds. Towards other people.
The ones having a drink while hunting.

I don’t care if you kill something or not I don’t care if your there for social reason.
But please learn safety and the rules.

Public land where I hunted as a kid. In clubs.
I will not go to today during dog deer season
It’s not safe
 
Coming from a dog hunting background.
Some times hunters scare the hell out of me.
There the ones showing up with a 300 when you can’t see more than 100 yds shooting down and across rds. Towards other people.
The ones having a drink while hunting.

I don’t care if you kill something or not I don’t care if your there for social reason.
But please learn safety and the rules.

Public land where I hunted as a kid. In clubs.
I will not go to today during dog deer season
It’s not safe
One of the things I HATE about public land hunting is how some hunters believe that "this patch" of public land is theirs and theirs alone and nobody else is welcome so they get intimidating and threatening.

Another thing I HATE in hunting is for some reason (I know why in my country) but for some reason, idiots, morons, uneducated, illiterate, just straight up dumb c*nts seem to be "drawn/attracted" to firearms/hunting, I think it's a power trip thing.
 
I dont like the term casual hunter. Because americas stsndards are already in the gutter and casual also implies irresponsible. Ive seen alot of idiots on gamelands and a
Im more in favor of raising the bar and actuslly making it a achievment. I would argue keep the punlic lands like they are but go for a german styled hunter education program to get licenced as a hunter.
And im ok with a hunting licence being 5k for a national licence and keep the state requirements
We may not be able to remove the dangerous idiots from the gene pool but we can the forrests
 
Cost..... the term "casual" doesn't matter. I grew up poor but my dad took me hunting and fishing even though he wasn't real big into hunting. In high school I loved hunting and fishing and trapping. I had some property do do it on and I could ask the local land owners if I could hunt or trap their property and they were more than happy to let me because I asked. A few years later I went back to some of those land owners and asked them if I could hunt....with a sad look they said no, they had the place leased out for hunting. As a twenty year old, you don't have money to pay for a hunting lease so its off to public land for you.

There are a lot of you fellas on here who think your money should buy you your hunt when and where you want it and if you can't afford that then you must not be someone that should be allowed to hunt. That makes you the kind of person that should go live in a land of aristocracy and not in the land of the free (sorry, speaking to fellow Americans here). I grew up running around in the woods with a .22 in my hand following rabbit trails. It wasn't money that taught me how to hunt, it was experience. I didn't grow up in the shadow of Wall Street and the shade of buildings, large and small, and then expect my money to disrepute all those who don't have it and certainly tell that poor kid running around in the back woods that when he's an adult he can't hunt because he doesn't have any money.

As a some of you have posted you've went to Alaska for better opportunities because of leased land and overrun public land. I ended up in Montana with hunting as a second concern. Here, as in other places, the public lands have become overrun with the "casual" hunter and along with that the idiots. Population increase has its huge problems.

It wasn't until some recent years back that I actually bought some hunting specific pants and not my old faded Wranglers to hunt in. It certainly never seemed to mind to the deer or antelope I shot then.

Yes, trust me. There are tons of idiots out there that pile out of the cities and towns to go in search of that game animal every year because they are a "hunter". There's way too many of them around my country and yes there are a bunch who carry a lack of respect for others, the sport, and the land owner. But within the midst there are a few, whether young or old, who carry a passion for what they are doing.

If you are one of those that thinks money entitles you to hunt and no one else should have access, then you don't belong in this game. We need people to pass this along to the younger generation. As many problems that public hunting brings (a large portion of my hunting has been on public land), along with all those "casual" hunters and the idiots who mix in that bunch, come out, it is still hunting and there are those who have a natural passion for it, and that should never be discouraged.

As the article states, I think we need those "casual" hunters.
As with all my discombobulated posts, your opinion my vary.
 

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