Thanks Cecil; 200 lions need to go at Bubye Wildlife conservancy

[CAustin]

ArmyGrunt you are right on! There is a Eco disaster impending in Zim. Too bad Americans can't go hunt....but our friends up North and folks across the pond can hunt there.

 

[ArmyGrunt]

There's an idea! Maybe I get some rental property in Canada , go get my lion, import there. Then, put the trophies in the back of a 4x4 and cross back over where there's no fence!

Alas, that'd be a bit cost prohibitive for a guy in my financial shoes....and only slightly illegal

 

[Royal27]

Too bad Americans can't go hunt....but our friends up North and folks across the pond can hunt there.

Huh? Americans can hunt in Zim.

 

[ArmyGrunt]

Huh? Americans can hunt in Zim.

I meant hunt the lions. Mostly by way of bringing back the trophies, in light of the recent USFW changes

 

[Royal27]

I meant hunt the lions. Mostly by way of bringing back the trophies, in light of the recent USFW changes

Got it.

That's a personal choice not to hunt though (if a trophy can't be brought back), as opposed to not being able to legally hunt. Really no different than choosing not to hunt due to high cost.

I've said it here before, but for me personally, and ironically, the ele ban has actually made me consider hunting a bull because it is now financially viable to me, where it wasn't before. It will be interesting to see what happens with truly wild lions and the lack of imports to the U.S. as related to hunt cost and the impact on demand.

I also don't believe that if the ban hadn't occurred that Bubye would have sold 200 lion hunts over the next 1-2 years, cull need or not.

 

[CAustin]

Royal I was speaking to import. For me if I can't bring the trophy back .....I'm not doing the hunt! And your right none of this means that the park would have allowed hunts to lower population of lion!
But like Cecil the lions do come out of the park looking for food!
Question is now will Zim officials allow more quota in areas near the park on lion? Time will tell!

 

[ArmyGrunt]

I'm with CAustin on the trophy bit, for the most part. I would absolutely love to have Leo in my home. That said, on my first trip (last year), had my daughter told me sooner than 11 days she'd decided she wanted to go with me, I'd have foregone all the taxidermy just to share that with her. She's 12 this year, so maybe I'll convince her on the next go 'round.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I agree I doubt the 200 lions are past prime males and many of the culls will be females. I can't ever remember seeing a lioness hunt offered in Zim.

 

[Royal27]

I can't ever remember seeing a lioness hunt offered in Zim.

I am all but positive that it has been done, but it has been awhile. Seems like 2012-13 there were some wild lioness offered in Zim? One of the Zim guys will have to confirm and say that I'm correct though.

 

[Royal27]

So whether to hunt if you can't bring a trophy home is a personal decision for sure.

That being said, I hope that more hunters will begin to consider legal hunts where trophies cannot be brought home, letting the hunt be about the experience and the memories, of which the taxidermy only plays a small part (for me).

If we truly won't hunt an area or country from which import isn't allowed then the government of the country that enacted the ban has truly succeeded in "legislating from afar." And as we are aware, it can go further than the government doing this. It also means that the airlines or shipping companies can tell us where and what we can hunt. Personally, I won't accept that.

To a large extent the import bans are only as effective as we allow them to be.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I am all but positive that it has been done, but it has been awhile. Seems like 2012-13 there were some wild lioness offered in Zim? One of the Zim guys will have to confirm and say that I'm correct though.

I didn't have any money back then so I wasn't looking for hunts, lol. I would totally be up for a cull hunt in Zim though, import or no import it would be a lot fun.

 

[gvincent]

Is this the one?

http://voices.nationalgeographic.co...-a-hard-truth-for-lion-conservation/#comments

Yep, that's the one. Thanks for posting.

 

[dory]

Surely the Oxord university can take some of these lions with the back to England .
They raised millions thanks to cecil .
Just seems the right thing to do if they were to look after a couple of hundred of his mates !