Buy it, you can't go wrong.... the swiss watch of straight pull rifles....HWL, something very interesting there are available three Swiss rifles , the Swiss K31 7.5 Swiss Schmidt Rubin rifles in the Gun shop...what knowledge do you have about this type of rifle ..it really are in beautiful condition...any member on the forum knows more about this rifle?? These Swiss rifles in the gun shop is for sale and really I have never seen vintage rifles in this brilliant condition for sure,,
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HWL, it is just beautiful...my children did shoot a lot of rounds when visited the shooting range ...so I now have a few cases to re-load with Johan Greyling`s newest ZAR black powder ..I am sure I will be getting a few meter per second faster results from my Mauser 71 single shot rifle ..HWL, this Mauser 71 rifle shoots just beautifully and it is a much enjoyable black powder rifle to shoot..so fortunately it will be my primary hunting rifle for next year `s 1885 era black powder hunt...the Martini sport rifle will be my secondary hunting rifle ..the .50 Cal side x side Muzzle loader will be designated to you...the two 1871/88 Mauser black powder rifles will be standing in the camp for anyone who wants to use it for hunting..if you are able to get hold of more Mauser 43/ 1871/84 brass casing please be so kind as to bring them along, they will be used extensively for hunting with the Mause rblack powder rifles ...All the black powder, ZAR will be sponsored by Johan Greyling..so you can reload and shoot as much as you want....
@Gert OdendaalIt has been a great day today, I took my family to the Shooting range today . Took the following rifles to shoot with, Martini Henry Sportster .450/577, Mauser 1871 Single shot 11.15 x60 black powder rifle , 12ga W.W Greener side x side shot gun , a Spain made 12 ga side x side shot gun with nice engraving as well as a 16ga side by side shot gun and to top it of a 9mm Short /.380ACP...It really was a lot of fun to see my family members enjoys the shooting almost as much as I did . We did take some nice videos and photos , will upload it as soon as possible ..I am sure the Black Powder hunters will like to see these old vintage rifles shoot ...
There will be enough 12 and 16 ga black powder shotgun ammunition..............if you manage to shoot a few fowl like francolins or partridges they all will be stuffed and spit roasted over the hot burning coals of the Camel Thorn tree wood fire ..
@Gert OdendaalBob, I was smiling at my children when they began to cough after taking the shot with the Martini Henry and the 71 Mauser.. The best load I think in using in drawn brass cases of the Martini Henry is 75gn of FF black powder...if you use the correct leaning into shooting technique the MH is not a heavy recoil rifle at all..but it can become one if you do not use the correct stance
Those are exquisite target rifles - not the usual ex-military issue rifle usually encountered here in this country. They will have specially chosen barrels to go with those amazing sights. Ballistically, the 7.5 Swiss is essentially a .308 or .300 Savage (150 gr bullet at 2800 fps). The rifles have a well deserved reputation for exceptional accuracy.HWL, something very interesting there are available three Swiss rifles , the Swiss K31 7.5 Swiss Schmidt Rubin rifles in the Gun shop...what knowledge do you have about this type of rifle ..it really are in beautiful condition...any member on the forum knows more about this rifle?? These Swiss rifles in the gun shop is for sale and really I have never seen vintage rifles in this brilliant condition for sure,,
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Red Leg, definitely, just by looking at the condition of these rifles when I took it out of their bags amazed me..it looked like the rifles just came out of the manufacturing process ...it looks brand new, not a scratch or mark on it..it is my first time I was such high grade vintage military rifles ...I will see if there is an opportunity to re-load a few rounds for shooting them..I want to see if an average shot like me can shoot it accurate at 100 meters ..Those are exquisite target rifles - not the usual ex-military issue rifle usually encountered here in this country. They will have specially chosen barrels to go with those amazing sights. Ballistically, the 7.5 Swiss is essentially a .308 or .300 Savage (150 gr bullet at 2800 fps). The rifles have a well deserved reputation for exceptional accuracy.
I am a hunter who like to experiment with rifles, but not yet brave enough to see how much powder I can ram into a brass case to shoot it ..it is something a fool do...
Conclusion to my Quest :fourfive8, thank you kindly for your input ....it is much appreciated. The Martini Henry .577/450 caliber is an interesting black powder cartridge to re-load for all together for sure. Some hunters/owners swear by it other swear at it and the rest just keep away from it.....
We are fortunate to have access to two types of brass casings, the drawn brass and lathe turn brass( rolled foil brass not included). The latter being prefer by most MH shooters/hunters. It is a more solid casing and can hold the 70 gn 2FF ZAR black powder that is perceive as the best load for the Martini Henry rifle .Challenges in regards to the lathe turn brass is it is designated to only a single camber of a specific MH rifle when fire formed for that specific rifle and chances are extremely slim of being use in another MH since the brass casing walls are rather thick and will not conform to another chamber( my experience only).
The drawn brass casings ( Hansie Minnaar -Stewart`s core-bonded bullets owner ) are really extremely high quality MH brass casings . Hansie makes an effort to draw brass with thicker walls to ensure quality control. This brass casing can be filled up with 85gn of 2FF ZAR black powder and more if you deem it necessary..( I do not)
I noticed not a difference in accuracy when shooting a MH loaded with 85gn ZAR 2FF black powder or loaded with 70gn 2FF ZAR black powder....( my personal take on it)
There are many variations in regards to paper patching, use of fillers , type of fillers , procedures to re-load /arrangement of different fillers . Hansie Minnaar is a extremely knowledge-able re-loader when it concerns the MH .577/450 caliber rifle.
There is no other rifle barrel diameter that confuses so many "want to shoot/re-loading Martini Henry rifle " owners as the MH. I perceive the correct barrel /groove diameter as the most critical component to get the MH to shoot as an accurate rifle . There is not a .458 diameter in any MH rifle at all in the Henry`s designed rifling (polygonal rifling) .Even swaging a .458 " bullet through the MH barrel will give you incorrect diameter specifications and measurements. ( own experience learned the hard way and tedious wasted bullets and black powder)
This is being the first major challenge a novice/wanna shoot a MH shooter /hunter needs to understand ..it really took me a drum full of black powder and different cast bullets/paper patched bullets without any success to achieved accurate groupings at fifty meters ...an endless search on internet forums , discussions and reading/research could not solve the riddle : the quest to get a MH rifle to shoot accurate all the time. " To achieve and complete this quest you need to consult and visit a person who already solved all these challenges , Hansie Minnaar , hunter/owner /bullet/brass maker par excellence...second to none ....