Shooters under attack in Australia

All countries under the realm of the Crown will inevitably have their firearms taken away. In the states we kicked the Crown and their bullshit repressing manner out 250 years ago.
Now you add in opportunistic and or angry liberals (and their lies n fantasies) and you all are pretty much screwed. Wake up over there, your way of life is being erased one shaving at a time. Here in the states too. But we grab our balls and fight back better in the US. Time for countries under the realm of the Royals to say F&$k you . Get more organized and fight for what you believe in. They expect that when you are gone your offspring will be too indoctrinated and useless against them. Sad but true.
Yes we kicked the crown out.
There was a movie that said something like we traded 1 tyrant for 200 tyrants 10 miles away.
The founding fathers went to war because of taxes. The the first and only setting president that took troops in the field was to in force tax’s on farmers that they didn’t have under the crown.


All politicians are shit and a pice of paper or velum for more than 200 years ago protects nothing.
How many of our rights have been taken?
We normal people are all screwed.
 
Yes we kicked the crown out.
There was a movie that said something like we traded 1 tyrant for 200 tyrants 10 miles away.
The founding fathers went to war because of taxes. The the first and only setting president that took troops in the field was to in force tax’s on farmers that they didn’t have under the crown.


All politicians are shit and a pice of paper or velum for more than 200 years ago protects nothing.
How many of our rights have been taken?
We normal people are all screwed.
I recommend you go back and take a good look at that piece of paper, and then spend your energy bringing the pure principles to bear. If you don't, and influence others by what you learn, you might find yourself under a truly unworthy 'nother piece of paper in the future.....and you won't be the only one to regret that.
I think a lot about what I am leaving my grand daughter.

Maybe reverse engineer what has brought us to the point of considering the Founding Fathers irrelevant and ask ourselves the question: WAS THAT WHAT THE CHANGE AGENTS WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL ALONG. Reclaiming the Constitution is the best answer to those change agent dogs. Don't give them the satisfaction of knowing they propagandized you!
 
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The irony is that the very people who want to restrict firearms ownership are the ones who are opposed to holding criminals accountable for their actions.

When you allow environment to be an absolute excuse for aggressively anti-social behavior, you open the door to hell. People are supposed to overcome hardship, to rise above their previous circumstances, and to strive for self-improvement, not collapse into a pile of aggrieved self-pity wailing about how the world "owes" them. There are a number of crimes that should never be excused, because there are no excuses for committing them. When your run a chop shop, you have made a conscious decision to be a career criminal, and to live as a parasite at the expense of your fellow citizens. That's very different than a teen succumbing to temptation and making a bad decision. The latter just needs to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shaken a bit. The former deserves no mercy, nor do professional thieves, armed robbers, or the more heinous offenders.

The road to heaven is giving people freedom, then holding them accountable for their actions. Individuals have agency, and should be expected to use it wisely. The attempt to make the world idiot-proof inevitably leads to the very idiocy the unthinking the policies are intended to prevent.

Consider modern American "justice". If you are a respectable citizen, a criminal conviction, even minor, will have a devastating effect on your life. You are likely to lose your job, and essentially become unemployable in your chosen profession, which will lead to economic and social disaster. On the other hand, if you are personally dysfunctional and already have four or five convictions, you're unlikely to do much time, and there's no meaningful change in your status. We've created an asymmetrical system of punishment that's devastating to the responsible, and insignificant to the criminal, a total inversion of sane policy and values.

You can't make up this stuff.
Thank you for such a thought provoking reply!! I can't endorse it enough. "Punishment that is devastating to the responsible and insignificant to the criminal" is one of the most insightful statements I have heard in forever, and I plan to repeat it often going forward.
 
I recommend you go back and take a good look at that piece of paper, and then spend your energy bringing the pure principles to bear. If you don't, and influence others by what you learn, you might find yourself under a truly unworthy 'nother piece of paper in the future.....and you won't be the only one to regret that.
I think a lot about what I am leaving my grand daughter.

Maybe reverse engineer what has brought us to the point of considering the Founding Fathers irrelevant and ask ourselves the question: WAS THAT WHAT THE CHANGE AGENTS WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL ALONG. Reclaiming the Constitution is the best answer to those change agent dogs. Don't give them the satisfaction of knowing they propagandized you!
Oh trust me I understand what the paper called for.
But I also understand what men and governments are.
And that the men that wrote that pice of paper could not live up to the ideals.
And our people and politicians have not went up in caliber since them.

If they could not live up to what they wrote and stared going away form it’s ideas while the paper was still wet.
I why do you think it will stop anything today?
How many gun laws are on the book? Shall not be infringed (yea)
How many people are in prison for not paying tax?
How many people are in prison for ingestion of something the government doesn’t like?

We have been so far form ideals for a long long time.
And I dammed sure don’t see it getting better.
 
I recommend you go back and take a good look at that piece of paper, and then spend your energy bringing the pure principles to bear. If you don't, and influence others by what you learn, you might find yourself under a truly unworthy 'nother piece of paper in the future.....and you won't be the only one to regret that.
I think a lot about what I am leaving my grand daughter.

Maybe reverse engineer what has brought us to the point of considering the Founding Fathers irrelevant and ask ourselves the question: WAS THAT WHAT THE CHANGE AGENTS WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL ALONG. Reclaiming the Constitution is the best answer to those change agent dogs. Don't give them the satisfaction of knowing they propagandized you!
Hey on this very fourm.
I have been told off for not flow laws
That really would not effect any one else and saying what could happen if I didn’t go by the law.
I know vey well would could have happened and was willing to go down that rd.

But if people are scared so bad about braking some laws . What’s the chance of doing what’s nessary to go back to the true ideal?

I like the ammo guy. And agree/ understand some of the things he did. I talked him to coming hear after he was posted about.
He said he liked some of the people but would not put up with bs form some

If people get that bent out of shape for camping some where a bureaucrat said dont
Or takeing care of your animals because some government guy desided to turn predators lose on you
 
Thank you for such a thought provoking reply!! I can't endorse it enough. "Punishment that is devastating to the responsible and insignificant to the criminal" is one of the most insightful statements I have heard in forever, and I plan to repeat it often going forward.
S W
Me and you get along on here pretty good.
And I don’t diss agree with the ideals.
It’s not the paper that protects us
It gives men to blueprints to protect themselves.
But we as a people have fell way behind on that protection.
And we have for a long long time.
 
Thank you for such a thought provoking reply!! I can't endorse it enough. "Punishment that is devastating to the responsible and insignificant to the criminal" is one of the most insightful statements I have heard in forever, and I plan to repeat it often going forward.
@steve white
In Australia we have the laws but very pathetic judges. They listen to the bullshit that some crims come out with.
CRIM:- Judge I had a hard upbringing, my parents were violent and we were very poor and coming from a broken home I got involved in drugs and alcohol and didn't know what I was doing.
JUDGE:- You poor boy I feel your pain so I will give you an order to undergo counselling and get you some help. For punishment you will get 200 hours of community service.
Now despite the fact you robbed some people, car jacked a car and injured the owner then were involved in a high speed police chase ,crashed the stolen car and killed an innocent pedestrian while off your chops on drugs and booze you can go home and be monitored whilst undergoing you therapy and punishment.

On the other hand a hunter returns from a hunting trip. Despite having all their firearms and ammunition secured the local highway patrol funds a single live 22lr on the floor of the car.
Innocent hunter/shooter is then arrested for having unsecured ammunition and is deemed a threat to the community.
Shooter/hunter goes to court and receives a massive fine and faces a possible goal term and loss of firearms licence and is deemed a threat to society.
Where's the justice, something in horribly wrong somewhere.
Bob
 
I’ve said this in the politics thread, but as a Jew, I find Australia’s response to this massacre both deeply offensive and outrageous.
Do you mean the Australian government or the Australian people? The Australian Government is a left wing bunch of woke turds that is importing Islamic immigrants to vote for them in the next election, they have allowed Islam to run riot with pro pallastinan demonstrations in nearly every city, its all a part of their plan to disarm Australia for when the people get to the point of retaliation they will
have no means of defense. they rely on stupid people that have been socially engineered by the Labor government & left wing media .
 
Do you mean the Australian government or the Australian people? The Australian Government is a left wing bunch of woke turds that is importing Islamic immigrants to vote for them in the next election, they have allowed Islam to run riot with pro pallastinan demonstrations in nearly every city, its all a part of their plan to disarm Australia for when the people get to the point of retaliation they will
have no means of defense. they rely on stupid people that have been socially engineered by the Labor government & left wing media .
I should have been more specific, I mean the Australian government and their push to disarm their citizens while appeasing islamists.
 
I should have been more specific, I mean the Australian government and their push to disarm their citizens while appeasing islamists.
I agree government bad ( all of them really)
But the problem is the people let themselves be disarmed .
If no one turned anything in. And the people confiscating them never made it back in.
There probably would not have been another disarming
 
I agree government bad ( all of them really)
But the problem is the people let themselves be disarmed .
If no one turned anything in. And the people confiscating them never made it back in.
There probably would not have been another disarming
Unfortunately, it seems that ship is sailed.
 
Unfortunately, it seems that ship is sailed.
I really don’t expect that to happen in any country
In the US there might be a few holdouts but probably not enough to do anything.

But I was told when fl said you had to turn in the bumpstock that only 5 were turned in here. Does give me a little hope.
But you could also just destroy them.
So who knows if there out there or just destroyed.
 
What’s happening in Australia should be a lesson for America and Canada! Only a small percentage of gun owners actually vote. We need to vote and vote smart. Lot of people contributing to this thread like to spew their anti Tump nonsense but at least he stands with the NRA . Hunting and guns are a huge part of my life and see our rights slipping away.
 
What’s happening in Australia should be a lesson for America and Canada! Only a small percentage of gun owners actually vote. We need to vote and vote smart. Lot of people contributing to this thread like to spew their anti Tump nonsense but at least he stands with the NRA . Hunting and guns are a huge part of my life and see our rights slipping away.
Saul I agree with you.

Re the above, voting is compulsory in Australia. Some of the trouble is those not everybody understands who our voting system works and inadvertently give votes to the wrong parties. Even some shooters are blind to what happens to them and still vote traditionally as their family have.
With Registration the Govt knows what you have. If you want to say no and not comply, the police are sent around and start locking people up. Unfortunately, there is no way that every single gun owner is going to stand together in noncompliance.
 
Never confuse the Peoples Republics of Westralia and Sydney with Australia. The Governments of Qld, NT, TAS and SA have all told the PM to shove his gun laws where the Sun don't shine. Vic is still in the wind but clearly not wanting to go down that track.
 
Never confuse the Peoples Republics of Westralia and Sydney with Australia. The Governments of Qld, NT, TAS and SA have all told the PM to shove his gun laws where the Sun don't shine. Vic is still in the wind but clearly not wanting to go down that track.
Don't hold your breath. The money is on SA siding with NSW after the upcoming election. Vic is holding out for 2 reasons. The Premiers husband is a keen shooter and two unions, the ETU and CFMEU are against any changes because of the number in their unions that are keen shooters. They have threatened to pull their funding to Labor if they change the laws. The Unions action saved the Vic duck hunting. Only times I've known unions to be helpful.
 
Saul I agree with you.

Re the above, voting is compulsory in Australia. Some of the trouble is those not everybody understands who our voting system works and inadvertently give votes to the wrong parties. Even some shooters are blind to what happens to them and still vote traditionally as their family have.
With Registration the Govt knows what you have. If you want to say no and not comply, the police are sent around and start locking people up. Unfortunately, there is no way that every single gun owner is going to stand together in noncompliance.
Exactly!! Not so familiar with Australia but in America we have our Federal rights to bare arms but at a state level we are loosing our rights even faster. With “compliant “ standards, clip capacity, pistol grips, semi automatic exct….. in my state they say only 15% of gun owners voted. And we live in a two party system. It’s an easy choice!!!
 
What’s happening in Australia should be a lesson for America and Canada! Only a small percentage of gun owners actually vote. We need to vote and vote smart. Lot of people contributing to this thread like to spew their anti Tump nonsense but at least he stands with the NRA . Hunting and guns are a huge part of my life and see our rights slipping away.
Not anti trump
But don’t forget I like to take them and let the court sort it out later.
 
@Rule 303 I fully understand your not trusting politicians. However, read the letter sent by the Office of the SA Minister for Police 2 days ago. It effectively demolishes all the arguements used by Albanese and Minns and quite strongley states they have no intention of changing the SA gun laws. Furthermore, the wording of the letter is so direct (for a politician) that it's highly unlikely to change in the short term. The SA election is unlikely to be relevant to their stand given their opposition is a complete cluster at the moment and no-one anticipates that changing in the short term.

OFFICIAL
Thank you for writing to the office of the Minister for Police regarding firearms laws in South Australia.
The attack at Bondi was a horrific act of terrorism that targeted Jewish people and has deeply shaken communities across Australia. It has understandably prompted strong emotions, difficult questions, and renewed discussion about safety, extremism and community protection.
While the incident did not occur in South Australia, the Government has taken the matter seriously. South Australia Police (SAPOL) continues to work closely with the Jewish community to ensure people feel safe, supported and protected, with appropriate operational resources deployed.
In addition, the Government has recently doubled funding for Holocaust education, committing more than $500,000 to the Adelaide Holocaust Museum and the Andrew Steiner Education Centre to combat antisemitism and promote understanding.
In relation to firearms laws, South Australia already has some of the strictest and comprehensive laws in the country. These laws are designed to protect the community while recognising that the overwhelming majority of firearm owners in South Australia are responsible, law-abiding citizens who comply with their obligations. South Australia is one of only two jurisdictions to require Australian citizenship or permanent residency to apply for a firearms licence. We do not allow open-ended licences, with all licences requiring renewal at least every five years, and we maintain strong fit-and-proper person checks before any licence is issued.
South Australia is also well advanced in implementing the National Firearms Register, with funding secured and work underway on a new South Australian Firearms Register (SAFR) system. This will modernise the application process, introduce an online portal for applicants, and strengthen internal tracking and oversight. We have made it clear that South Australia already meets or exceeds many of the standards now being discussed nationally.
The Minister can confirm that there are no changes to firearm legislation currently under consideration by the South Australian Government.
As has happened in the past, any reforms to firearms legislation in South Australia must be approached carefully, thoughtfully and with genuine consultation. Any changes would involve extensive consultation with firearms owners and key stakeholders like the Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia (SSAA Inc) and other key stakeholders.
Responsible firearm owners deserve certainty, fairness and respect, and reforms must be based on evidence.
Responsible firearm ownership and community safety are not competing values, both are essential, and both deserve careful, balanced consideration.
Thank you again for taking the time to share your views.
Office of the Hon. Blair Boyer MP
Minister for Education, Training and Skills
Minister for Police


The Victorian situation is somewhat diferent. For all her faults and distasters, the Premier has been consistantly supportive of shooters over the course of her Government. If she had wanted to change the laws, she could have easily jumped on board with Albo, Minns and Cook from the start. If her party decides to dump her over any of the other debacles, then we could have problems. But I don't think that is likely with an election due in November. (fingers crossed.)
 

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