SCI offers reward for information

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  1. Mike70560

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    This happened in my backyard on a friend's hunting lease.


    http://www.katc.com/story/37615760/5500-reward-offered-for-information-on-dead-black-bears

    Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries Enforcement agents say they are seeking leads for two illegally killed black bears in St. Mary Parish.

    According to a release, a citizen alerted authorities on Feb. 14, 2018, about a dead black bear that was located off of Humble Canal in a marshy area about 10 miles south of Franklin. Agents responded to the scene and found another dead black bear about a mile in a half away from the first reported black bear.

    A necropsy revealed that both of the adult male bears were shot and illegally killed around Feb. 2 to 4, which was a weekend.

    The Humane Society of the United States, the Acadiana Chapter of Safari Club International, the Safari Club International Foundation and LDWF’s Operation Game Thief program are teaming up to offer a reward totaling $5,500 to anyone with information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the illegal killing of these black bears.

    Anyone with information regarding this illegal killing should call the Louisiana Operation Game Thief hotline at 1-800-442-2511 or use LDWF’s tip411 program. To use the tip411 program, citizens can text LADWF and their tip to 847411 or download the “LADWF Tips” iPhone and Android app from the Apple App Store or Google Play free of charge.

    The hotline and the tip411 program are monitored 24 hours a day. Upon request, informants can remain anonymous.
     
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    Illegal shooting of these bears is just plain wrong. Hope the guilty parties are caught.
     

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    HSUS contributing :E Confused:
     
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    Yea seems odd but in this case they want the bad guys
     

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    Never thought I'd read about those groups teaming up.
     
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    Is HSUS doing it for show
     
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    How do we know these bears were not terrorizing someone’s home? I’d shoot them too if my family was in danger.
    Teaming up with HSUS bad idea.
     
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    Philip, anyone who has to shoot a bear (or two, 1.5 miles apart?) to protect their families, or themselves, should have called the authorities immediately after. Otherwise, they've taken a defensible situation and turned into an indefensible one. If you have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

    I agree completely about teaming up with HSUS though. They view all hunting, legal or not, as wrong, and we should not be in the same zip code (let alone the same paragraph) as them. Having said that, anyone can offer a reward, and it's not up to SCI to tell someone else to turn down a contribution to a reward, so I'm prepared to give SCI a pass on this one.
     

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    HSUSis kind of troubling
     

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    So, ewhat is the reward for information on killers killing people?

    This is Bambi..
     

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    These bears were shot in the coastal marsh at least 10 miles from any homes. There are some camps in the area, the closest one was 1/4 mile away. No way it was shot in defense of life or property. I spend a lot of time in that area, I was even interviewed by LDW&F game warden because I was at my camp (12 miles away by boat) the weekend they believe the bear to be killed.

    Remember it is a press release that states "teaming up". Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries contacted our local SCI chapter for a donation for the reward. I assume they did the same thing with HSUS. I am no longer on the Acadiana SCI board, but am fairly certain there was no contact between SCI and HSUS, just both working (not even together) towards a common goal in this one instance.

    Don't worry HSUS still hates us, and I find 99.999% of their actions towards hunters despicable.
     
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    We all hate HSUS that we agree on. I feel they are going to use this as another reason to hurt hunters and hunting .
     
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    I know in some jurisdictions if you shoot an animal i.e. a bear in defense of life or property, apart from notifying the authorities asap, you are required to ensure that the hide and/or meat doesn't spoil. Now, even if the person in question had a legitimate reason for shooting these bears- they may not have reported it thinking that nobody would know and they were to lazy to skin them out and properly care for the hide and/or meat, which they may or may not have been obliged to do. This in no means excuses their actions and I definitely agree with you that if these animals were killed for a justifiable reason the proper procedures following a "defence" kill should have been followed.

    But the other things about this case that are unclear to me- was any part of the bear removed- i.e. the gall bladder? or where the whole carcasses intact apart from, if there was, any natural decomposition, scavenging, etc... ?

    Was the location they where found in the kill site or was that only a dump location of the carcasses ??
     

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    Probably the guy was sick to death of the bears raiding and destroying his deer feeders. Couple shots to the gut and they wander off to die. Happens lots of places.
     

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    Good questions, W&F has not released all of their information to the public.

    The bears were found a mile or two apart. The area is accessible only by boat, it appears both were shot where they were found.
     

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    There are no feeders in the area, this is marsh.

    Over the years I have trapped commercially, still hunt alligators commercially, fished commercially, have hunted large game in seven different countries, hunted bear in Alaska, and hunt the area where these bears were killed so I am not opposed to hunting or squeamish about killing.

    To even insinuate that it is justifiable to intentionally gut shoot a animal for any reason is disgusting.
     
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    This does hurt the view of hunters by non-hunting people. When they read that two bears were poached it makes us look like a bunch of yahoos, just like the anti-hunters say we are.

    There is a big difference between non-hunters and anti-hunters. Stupid crap like this makes more anti-hunters.

    That is why as a hunter I want these criminals caught.

    I wish I knew who did it, I take all of the reward money and either donate it back to SCI or go hunting, knowing that HSUS money made up part of the reward.
     
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    Congratulations to all your accomplishments. Whoopee. But Insinuate or not, it happens. More than you think. Fish and Game in most of the states that I have lived do little more than write tickets and send out surveys about harvests. Take wolves for example. No management in my state. Also no moose hunting anymore. All because fish and game wants to put on a good impression for the public (who hate you) which would rather have predators roaming around than moose. No one eats wolves but many eat moose and that doesn't matter to them. I know of farmers that kill wolves and bear and don't report the kill due to dealing with your liberal, atheist, commie government. I don't blame them. They get tired of property being destroyed and having to be politically correct with all the new humane/transgender trapping methods. Personally, I don't give 2 sh-ts what impression the public has of hunters because they don't like you regardless of how pretty you want to make hunting. Hunting is just a walk in the woods if you don't get bloody. Nothing pretty about death, it's just a means to an end. And besides, what has SCI done except lose elephant hunting, lion hunting, and try to jump on the band wagon to condemn an innocent man like Walter Palmer. Nothing, except printing a stupid magazine and advertising over priced hunts. Why don't you do something special and donate your reward to St. Jude's for children's cancer research.
     

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    Wow. Someone's having a bad day.

    Tough to know where to start when you';re dealing with a rant, but here goes:

    1. My guess is that very few of us like fish and game departments when they're writing tickets, but they still have a job to do, and an important one at that. The "North American model" of hunting and game conservation is based on the enactment and enforcement of laws for the common good. If you don't like the laws which are made, or the manner in which they are enforced, you have a choice. But it's hard to argue with the success of those laws. If you want to know what North America might look like if we didn't have those laws, well, you might look at the state of wildlife in North America around 1900. Hunters have been the biggest supporters of anti-poaching laws, and for a good reason. They benefit us, and, much more importantly, they're objectively right.

    2. If you hate the laws, or hate the predators, or hate the damage they do to property, you can always choose to disobey the laws. There's a long and in some cases honoured history of civil disobedience in pursuit of a just cause. But breaking the laws and then hiding? That's just cowardice. You don't send any message except that you don't have the courage of what you call your convictions. Man up, or obey the law. Personally, I like to drive a bit faster on our local highways than the law allows. When I get caught, I pay. I don't whine.

    3. You don't care what the public thinks about hunting. I get that. But if we let ourselves be driven by our emotions then we have to offer that same freedom to everybody, and that includes those people who hate us and hate hunting. Where does that take us? There are more of them than there are of us. In a democracy, that would typically mean we lose. And if we lose, the animals lose. That's not emotion. That's logic. The only way to keep people on our side is to help them to see past their emotions to the logical force of our arguments. Or you can just yell at people and call them names, I guess. Let me know how that works for you.

    4. SCI. Well, they do lots of things which I don't agree with as well, and the treatment of Walter Palmer is just one example. But publishing a "stupid magazine"? Seriously? If you don't like it, then don't read it. I mean, that's not really the hard. But to get worked up about it? Seems like an anger management issue more than a comment about a magazine. By the way, since it's been published for decades, my guess is that more people like it than don't. Personally, I like it. (full disclosure: they've printed an article I wrote).

    5. You may not care - in fact it sounds like you don't - about being in the minority. That's admirable in many ways, but not if it takes you to suggesting that our system of majority - or democratic - government is not worthwhile. This is a system many, many people died to defend. I for one put a pretty high value on it, not only when I agree with the decision of the majority, but especially when I don't, but accept it nonetheless. My parents used to call that "acting like a grown-up."

    But name calling is a whole lot easier, so have at it.
     
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