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I haven't been on this site in a while as I find it hard to see how anyone doesn't realize that your TACO guy and his hysterical running mate can be defended by people who have the same interest as me. But now that I've been on the site I see that even Brent can have a liberal opinion when it comes to Greenland. The reason I read this thread sometimes is Red Leg's input and extremely smart and thoughtful posts that often show a knowledge of history and how the world works. Even though I don't always agree with him, I appreciate his posts very much as he not only has insight into the culture and history of different countries but also how the US military works and reasons. I hope your midterm elections go well so someone can slow down the madman.
 
Why would we need to have Greenland when we already have a base there and can easily expand it with Denmark's blessing?
I will speculate, and as many times I could be wrong again.

My theory:
Fact: China has up to 70% of rare earth minerals sources, and produces about 90% of global production.

Rare earths are used for all advanced technology: space tech, stealth tech, down to IT and what not technology.


The story started with rare earth minerals, post election period when Donald Trump was president elect, and before inauguration.
President Zelensky came to Mara A Lago, and discussed military aid, rare Earth mineral deal with president elect Donald Trump.
Then it was all made public, and 500 billion deal was agreed upon to be signed, plus all aid that Ukraine will need.


Deal rejected on 20.01.25

One day later president Zelensky flew to London and signed 100 year partnership deal with UK where UK will provide 3 billion per year for next 100 years (300 billion total) and will have priority in all rights in developing country of Ukraine after the war.

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supporting development of a Ukrainian critical minerals strategy and necessary regulatory structures required to support the maximisation of benefits from Ukraine’s natural resources, through the possible establishment of a Joint Working Group; (v)


And finally Greenland:

Greenland has rare earth minerals in good quantity.

Below screenshots of rare earths distribution of Ukraine and Greenland.

Recently and quietly under global political focus EU tried to get mineral right (Lithium) in Serbia. I think failed, in demonstrations and local political pressure. But overall it seams rare eraths get political focus in modern days

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Completely differ situation Einstein.
How so? If George Bush could invade Panama without a declaration of war from Congress what makes you think Trump would need a declaration of war to invade Greenland? By the way, Einstein, the Vietnam War was conducted without a Congressional declaration of war. Congress can control the president's authority to make war independently by simply refusing to pass funding. But that could endanger servicemens' lives so it's never happened, not that I can remember anyway.
 
I believe the strategic intent, is to be able to have the golden dome technology to minimize a potential blindside for the US. There is a lot of additional noise or reasons but I think that is truly the strategic intent and goes beyond just having a base or multiple bases.

The US is 100% pursuing a “golden dome”… it’s called “SHIELD”.

So far there are 2400+ companies awarded positions on the $151B contract (my firm is one of them).

The intent is to have the shield completed within 10 years, and to have most of the major components done within 5….

 
Trump is losing it!

In one of his posts, Trump shared a message sent to him from Macron that said, "I do not understand what you are doing on Greenland." A French official confirmed to USA TODAY the message's authenticity.

Trump also posted a doctored image that showed European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen sitting in the White House's Oval Office next to a map showing Greenland and Canada as American territory. He posted a separate AI image with him planting an American flag on Greenland soil alongside Vice President JD Vance and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Next to them, there is a sign that says, "US TERRITORY. EST 2026."
 
OMG!

Yeah.....some people are losing it alright.

Trump is a master troll, and he's playing offense.

I don't want the POTUS to act like a troll, master or otherwise. I want the POTUS to act respectable, you know, like a president of the best country in the world should act.

Trump seems to be hell bent on losing the slim majority he has in Congress. Maybe that's why he is acting the way he is, knowing that 2026 will be his last year to get much done.
 
The administration is serious about Golden Dome (as was Regan with SDI). We'll see what happens when the democrats return to power.

There are three phases of flight in which an incoming missile can be engaged - launch, mid-course, and terminal. Israel's Iron Dome is a terminal phase intercept solution designed to knock out rather slow, free flight, short range rockets used by HAMAS and Hezbolah. It is useless against long range true ballistic missiles like Iran uses. For these, the IDF employs their Archer and David's Sling systems that are analogues to US Patriot and THAAD.

These terminal phase systems are effective in point defense against conventional warheads. They are not of much use for area defense, and detonating a 1.5 megaton nuclear weapon a mile or two from its intended target isn't a particularly useful strategy.

Launch phase is difficult to attack unless the target country is somewhere like North Korea where its missile launches would be very near interceptors. It is one reason Aegis has been continually upgraded to engage these sorts of targets from just offshore North Korea. However such technology is of limited value against Russian and Chinese missile fields and launch points far from the ocean or national borders.

That leaves mid-course. These engagements would take place beyond the atmosphere and ideally before the warhead has time to deploy its independently targeted payload and decoys. In spite of intermittent funding, the Missile Defense Agency has made a lot of progress in this capability over the last twenty years. In 2023, MDA demonstrated a successful mid-course intercept by its Ground Based Mid Course Defense System (GMD) employing its Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV) developed by my old corporation and now built by RTX. My old company is now leading the glide phase intercept effort for hypersonics.

Virtually all ballistic threats approaching the United States from Russia or China will come over the Arctic. For any ground based defensive system capable of reacting in time to intercept those targets outside the atmosphere, that makes geography like, Alaska, Canada, and yes, potentially Greenland very important for both target acquisition and engagement - something about which the administration, obviously has been thoroughly briefed.

Due to the emerging challenge of hypersonics, the eventual Golden Dome will require a layered defense and almost certainly an orbital-based capability as well. The point is that this program is not having to start from a clean slate, and the administration has clearly been made aware of the limitations of a purely US -based system.
 
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Trump is losing it!

In one of his posts, Trump shared a message sent to him from Macron that said, "I do not understand what you are doing on Greenland." A French official confirmed to USA TODAY the message's authenticity.

Trump also posted a doctored image that showed European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen sitting in the White House's Oval Office next to a map showing Greenland and Canada as American territory. He posted a separate AI image with him planting an American flag on Greenland soil alongside Vice President JD Vance and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Next to them, there is a sign that says, "US TERRITORY. EST 2026."
I presume he posted the untrue photoshopped images on his Truth Social platform? I won't give that stupid site a moment of my time so unable to verify. But it would not surprise me if this is true. Very immature ... and that's always been Trump's shtick. Amazing to me how so many educated intelligent people are attracted to someone who acts and talks and writes like a nine year-old. Not sure who disgusts me more, him or them. Blind partisinism strikes again.

The good news in all this is Trump has pretty much doomed any further political ambitions of Vance or Rubio. Good riddance. Two less goofy crackpots to worry about in the future.
 
How so? If George Bush could invade Panama without a declaration of war from Congress what makes you think Trump would need a declaration of war to invade Greenland? By the way, Einstein, the Vietnam War was conducted without a Congressional declaration of war. Congress can control the president's authority to make war independently by simply refusing to pass funding. But that could endanger servicemens' lives so it's never happened, not that I can remember anyway.
Once again, Einstein, Bush went in to capture Noriega, and protect the Panama canal treaty.
The U.S didn't invade with the intent to gain real estate. A pro American government was installed and we left
Venezuela was not an invasion. It was a swoop and scoop of an evil dictator drug lord. We captured him, we left.
Vietnam was the catalyst for the war powers act of 1973.
 
Trump is indeed a master troll… perhaps the greatest we have ever known… his willingness to troll combined with his massive audience and obvious power make him incredibly effective…

It’s interesting to see the difference in responses and reactions in a more centrist crowd (AH), and a harder right leaning site like one of the military/veterans sites I frequent..

Leftists and centrists get way bent out of shape with every troll he does… they either get offended or they get concerned…

People on the mid right or further right tend to get entertained… they don’t take much of what he says seriously, and they laugh at all the hysteria created on the other side of the aisle…

Their position is the hysteria feeds the troll… and they absolutely love it… it’s free entertainment…

they don’t get angry or upset with the centrists or liberals opposing trumps position, lashing out, or expressing concern… they find it funny and hope that it continues..

Actual actions taken like the ICE agent shooting the protestor or the taking of the head of state of a foreign nation get talked about, debated, etc..

But Trump memes, truth social posts, etc largely get seen as liberal bait… and they can’t wait until a liberal takes it…
 
The administration is serious about Golden Dome (as was Regan with SDI). We'll see what happens when the democrats return to power.

There are three phases of flight in which an incoming missile can be engaged - launch, mid-course, and terminal. Israel's Iron Dome is a terminal phase intercept solution designed to knock out rather slow, free flight, short range rockets used by HAMAS and Hezbolah. It is useless against long range true ballistic missiles like Iran uses. For these, the IDF employs their Archer and David's Sling systems that are analogues to US Patriot and THAAD.

These terminal phase systems are effective in point defense against conventional warheads. They are not of much use for area defense, and detonating a 1.5 megaton nuclear weapon a mile or two from its intended target isn't a particularly useful strategy.

Launch phase is difficult to attack unless the target country is somewhere like North Korea where its missile launches would be very near interceptors. It is one reason Aegis has been continually upgraded to engage these sorts of targets from just offshore North Korea. However such technology is of limited value against Russian and Chinese missile fields and launch points far from the ocean or national borders.

That leaves mid-course. These engagements would take place beyond the atmosphere and ideally before the warhead has time to deploy its independently targeted payload and decoys. In spite of intermittent funding, the Missile Defense Agency has made a lot of progress in this capability over the last twenty years. In 2023, MDA demonstrated a successful mid-course intercept by its Ground Based Mid Course Defense System (GMD) employing its Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV) developed by my old corporation and now built by RTX. My old company is now leading the glide phase intercept effort for hypersonics.

Virtually all ballistic threats approaching the United States from Russia or China will come over the Arctic. For any ground based defensive system capable of reacting in time to intercept those targets outside the atmosphere, that makes geography like, Alaska, Canada, and yes, potentially Greenland very important for both target acquisition and engagement.

Due to the emerging challenge of hypersonics, the eventual Golden Dome will require a layered defense and almost certainly an orbital-based capability as well. The point is that this program is not having to start from a clean slate, and the administration has clearly been made aware of the limitations of a purely US -based system.
As typical, 100% spot on.

We (my firm) have been involved in, and watching closely, most aspect of the US intention here (because we want to be a part of it)… @Red Leg ’s post absolutely matches our (and most) assessments..
 
Trump is indeed a master troll… perhaps the greatest we have ever known… his willingness to troll combined with his massive audience and obvious power make him incredibly effective…

But Trump memes, truth social posts, etc largely get seen as liberal bait… and they can’t wait until a liberal takes it…

@mdwest I am amazed that many of our AH fellows Take the Trump the Troll bait!

Everyone with half a brain should remember if any politician is flapping their lips, they are lying.
For Trump mega-mouth, he is as I've stated a half dozen times recently on AH, throwing carp against the wall to see what will stick.

As for invading Greenland, Denmark and Greenland should have laughed and responed, "Good joke Mr. Trump. When you want to talk we are ready."
 
IMO, its more important to watch what Trump does than go bananas over what he says.
 
I guess we get 2 for 1 then.....LOL

Gimme a break. This thing has gotten ridiculous. The U.S is not going to invade Greenland. An act of war would require congressional approval, and thats not going to happen, nor should it.

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Weirdly, no normal news source is reporting he said that. Or even anything like that.
 
I don't want the POTUS to act like a troll, master or otherwise. I want the POTUS to act respectable, you know, like a president of the best country in the world should act.

Trump seems to be hell bent on losing the slim majority he has in Congress. Maybe that's why he is acting the way he is, knowing that 2026 will be his last year to get much done.
I don’t disagree and in the first term I certainly found the trolling to be more upsetting. But it’s 2026 and this is how politics is now. Social media has flipped the board.

Trump’s twitter trolling has a lot of pull with the generations that grew up online and his winning the presidency twice is evidence of that.

I think failing to understand that is perilous for any modern politician.
 
Trump is indeed a master troll… perhaps the greatest we have ever known… his willingness to troll combined with his massive audience and obvious power make him incredibly effective…

It’s interesting to see the difference in responses and reactions in a more centrist crowd (AH), and a harder right leaning site like one of the military/veterans sites I frequent..

Leftists and centrists get way bent out of shape with every troll he does… they either get offended or they get concerned…

People on the mid right or further right tend to get entertained… they don’t take much of what he says seriously, and they laugh at all the hysteria created on the other side of the aisle…

Their position is the hysteria feeds the troll… and they absolutely love it… it’s free entertainment…

they don’t get angry or upset with the centrists or liberals opposing trumps position, lashing out, or expressing concern… they find it funny and hope that it continues..

Actual actions taken like the ICE agent shooting the protestor or the taking of the head of state of a foreign nation get talked about, debated, etc..

But Trump memes, truth social posts, etc largely get seen as liberal bait… and they can’t wait until a liberal takes it…
If by "effective" you mean successful in creating rifts in historic alliances you are quite correct. Hopefully they are not irreperable.

And oddly, the offensive letter was written directly the head of state of Norway, not published on social media. He has recently directly insulted the leaders of the UK and France as well, and trolled all Americans by promising them 600% reduction in drug costs.

People who associate themselves with Trump should be embarrassed by his conduct. He is a poor representative for America.

I always thought the idea was for America to be a leading light of democracy on the world stage. Not a "troll".

Is a troll President what you want mdwest? If so, you have it. I can't believe that is the what America is left offering the world though.

Considering your own thoughtful writing style, the opposite of trolling, I would not have thought you wanted a troll President.
 

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