Well, I'm generally the kind of kind of guy that tries not to post a lot and just sit back and see what others are saying. As usual, I am pages behind on the thread, but the whole Islam thing and homosexuality has got me thinking and I find it amazing how the conversation has evolved.
From what I can tell (please understand, I am quite a few beers into this) it came up about how backward and hypocritical the Muslims were for disparaging homosexuality while condoning and practicing it.
I landed, for the first time in June of 1995, in Kuwait City. That was the beginning of my Middle East experience. I was in a SOF unit in the US Army and had (at that time, and my first deployment with the unit) 6 months of Arabic language and a cultural awareness course for the region.
Having worked in and passed thru, and run around in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, and Afghanistan over the years, I have some familiarity with the Islamic and Arab culture (and Jewish too). We should also throw in there some recent years, of time in Indonesia where the religion is predominately Muslim.
Now,
@mdwest has provided some pretty good insight into how the culture works and it is fairly spot on. The one thing mentioned earlier about boys dancing around (sorry, not going to go back and look at what it was) I had not heard of. Flat out, and stark and simple, Iraq and Afghanistan had lots of adult males who liked little boys.
In '95, in Diyala province Iraq, I had a source describe to me a man in the closest village who would catch children in the park and molest them (different from the States? Not really). We did hunt around for this guy without success. Videos and statements are out there of males humping goats and donkeys. The undertone and conversations I've had with interpreters over the years has made it clear, the Arab (Iraq and Afghanistan) male likes to poke little boys. Did I say Muslim? No, I did not. That's where we go from a religious to a cultural aspect and we go to what we, as Christian Westerns, describe as immoral.
From the way I was raised, homosexuality and pedophilia are absolutely immoral!!
I experienced a lot of this in Iraq and Afghanistan but, it was really never apparent in Kuwait, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia. I look at the difference in those countries and the only thing that comes to mind is regional and educational differences. The three mentioned countries had quite a number of educated people. Working in Jordan (couple of different times) I never got that from them. Were the soldiers I worked with educated? Not really, their sanitary practices were abysmal, but I never got the sentiment that they enjoyed, and or joked about poking little boys.
Lets go to Asia. I was stationed in Korea for a year in 1992. I thought at that time (I had just turned 21) that all the Korean males were queer. They would hold hands and hug on each other. Some years later it finally started clicking in my mind the differences in culture. That was just how they did things and it really wasn't them trying to be queer (were some of them queer? I don't know).
I am a year and half out from having worked in Indonesia for a couple of years. The religion there is overwhelmingly Muslim. Are there Christians there? Sure, and they coexist with churches and mosques within view of each other and work together everyday. Homosexuality was fairly common their, with no real apparent attempt to hide it. Little boys and children? No, didn't see that or get the sense of it. Two of my interpreters there were, for the most part, homosexual and one even made a joke about it.
In '04 I was at a party in Kuwait City, on the roof of one of the high-rises there. It was put on by the Lebanese embassy (bear in mind alcohol is illegal in Kuwait). There was a DJ and booze and I sat at table and got to talking to a Kuwaiti gal who was a film maker. She had produced some film in English/and or from an England film maker on the plight of Arabic women. The talk at the table somehow veered on to sex and she said all the Arab girls knew they had to remain a virgin for marriage, and the way the got around this was to get it up the butt. I throw this in there to make another point to something
@mdwest mentioned earlier, that they are not as hard up as one would presume because of their religion.
I look at this Arab/Islamic homosexual/pedophilia thing (please remember that mohammed married a 13 year old girl) as quite a bit regional to an extent. Yeah, I didn't capitalize that for a reason. In our country however they have been trying to shove it down our throats as the norm. All it is, is a sexual perversion! Whether it be transgenders or homosexuals, you either have a sexual perversion or a mental health problem.
From Bruce Jenner: “I see these ‘trans women are real women,’” she said. “No, you’re not. OK, that’s the bottom line.”
We have attained a sickness in our society that is beyond belief!