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@Tanks, The same reasoning used for trashing Herschel Walker’s run in Georgia. (I have a memory like an ele;) ) Walker is a decent, honest man, exactly the type politician we need more of. So I suppose Georgia and the country is better off with the likes of Warnock, a BHO/Brandon/DNC yes-man who MSNBC’s Maddow slathered all over during and just just after that election?
 
I think there must be another condition at work among so-called conservatives. I think we'll call it TBS - Trump Blindness Syndrome. Unlike the loony left which sees evil in everything associated with Trump, the adoring right forgives the dear leader anything and everything. Lose the senate through a Quixotic election denial strategy? Nothing to see there - can't be Trump's fault - better yet, how dare you even pay attention. Shut down schools and businesses while promoting Fauci as the face of Covid response in his administration? Trump must have been tricked by a disloyal staff. Create a vaccine that 2/3's of his supporters are convinced will kill them? Look the other way. Promise that he will do nothing to change social security and medicare thus guaranteeing its insolvency within a decade? - Not an issue, grandma will be dead by then. Can't remember whether Pelosi or Halley was responsible for security on Jan 6? No problem he is actually a very sharp '78.

In a country with over 100 million people old enough to run for president, we have settled for two terrible choices - either of whom will be a lame duck the moment they take office.
 
either of whom will be a lame duck the moment they take office.

I’ve said it before that this is perhaps the best end result.
 
I’ve said it before that this is perhaps the best end result.

It probably is. The question is which duck would you rather have in the WH during that time? The one under which the world was relatively calm or the one who has overseen and encouraged a worldwide dumpster fire? Not only that but if Biden is elected, Harris WILL end up finishing the next term unless they replace her before the election ehich is doubtful. Our enemies will really be quaking in their boots then.
 
It probably is. The question is which duck would you rather have in the WH during that time? The one under which the world was relatively calm or the one who has overseen and encouraged a worldwide dumpster fire? Not only that but if Biden is elected, Harris WILL end up finishing the next term unless they replace her before the election ehich is doubtful. Our enemies will really be quaking in their boots then.

If I really would have to choose between the two, I’d probably give the nod to Trump, because I do align more with the republican mindset anyway, but mostly because with him at least we know it will be his own craziness, not from unknown handlers. He is also least likely to be replaced mid term by an unknown factor.

Thankfully I do not have to make the choice.

Edit: and this last comment is not at all to indicate that the caliber of people here in Europe or Belgium are really that much better. They might seem more intelligent/intelligable/effective, but intelligence combined with bad views is much more dangerous than less smart/representable with the right views on things.
 
In a country with over 100 million people old enough to run for president, we have settled for two terrible choices - either of whom will be a lame duck the moment they take office.

I think politics have become such a shit show, filled with so many truly abhorrent people.. that the vast majority of self respecting and/or decent human beings want nothing to do with the career field..
 
I think politics have become such a shit show, filled with so many truly abhorrent people.. that the vast majority of self respecting and/or decent human beings want nothing to do with the career field..

Exactly, it has been a real shit show, and it's sad. Those thinking of running for office, I believe put their family first and do not want them to be subject to the verbal abuse from the opposition, and the constant scrutinizing from the media. I wouldn't want my family in the middle of the spotlight. No way.
 
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I think politics have become such a shit show, filled with so many truly abhorrent people.. that the vast majority of self respecting and/or decent human beings want nothing to do with the career field..

Not only a crap show but dangerous to your legal well being.
 
If the SC rules against immunity for former presidents it’ll be unimaginable what we’ll get for candidates in the future. Make a decision the other side doesn’t like and yer on your way to prison…. Yep, that’ll be peachy….
The case is for POTUS decisions/actions that were made as part of the job. And they should grant immunity for that. Now, is a rally to overturn elections or a campaign event part of the job?
 
@Tanks is making a legitimate point. A great number of the legal talking heads believe it is unlikely SCOTUS would grant blanket immunity. I think that is logical. It is not too difficult to imagine, however unlikely, a crime so heinous that even a sitting President should be charged. A lot seem to be betting that SCOTUS will return the case to the lower court to attempt to define those limitations. I would assume that would be open to appeal if the defendant doesn't like the definition.

This site, politically, is largely an echo chamber, so it is important to realize that most current polling indicates that around 65% of the American people believe that Trump bears some 19% or a lot 45% of responsibility for the events of January 6. Whether we agree with it or not, I would assume that leads to a different set of public perceptions about Trump's immunity.
 
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And again, if you as president make a decision that the new guy doesn’t like than the new guy can prosecute you and send your happy ass to prison based only on the fact that he is of a different party….. he told no one to riot, told no one to break and rip anything up,,,,,,,, if you think that’s just A OK than more power to you. Shouldn’t then also congress and senate be held to the same standards? It’ll never end. No one of any decent caliber would ever run for office again fearing life in prison for doing something in office that the other party doesn’t like.
 
House Intelligence chair, Mike Turner, is pushing the Biden Administration to release classified information on Russia's Nuclear anti satellite program.
Turner stated, that withholding this information could have serious consequences in the future.
 
Interesting read about Sinwar.


amas’s surprise October 7 attacks stunned Israel. But not everyone was caught unaware. When he learned the news, Dr. Yuval Bitton says he felt it was coming – and knew immediately who was behind it.

“I know the person who planned and conceived and initiated this criminal attack,” Bitton told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour. “I have known him since 1996 – not only him but the entire Hamas leadership in Gaza – and it was clear to me that this is what they were planning.”

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Bitton spent years working as a dentist in Israel’s Nafha Prison. It was there he met “the person” – Yahya Sinwar, a Hamas militant convicted of murder who would go on to become the group’s leader in Gaza – saying he saved his life by helping diagnose a brain tumor.

Bitton says he spent hundreds of hours conversing with Sinwar, providing him with rare insight into the mind of the top Hamas official.

But his actions have left him tormented. Bitton blames Sinwar for the murder of his nephew, who was killed after Hamas militants raided his home on October 7.

In 2004, Sinwar had come to the prison’s clinic complaining of neck pain and losing his balance.

“When he explained to me what was happening to him, I diagnosed it as a stroke, and together with the general practitioner, we decided to take him to the hospital,” Bitton said.


Bitton, right, pictured with his nephew Tamir Adar, who was murdered on October 7. - Yuval Bitton

Bitton, right, pictured with his nephew Tamir Adar, who was murdered on October 7. - Yuval Bitton© Provided by CNN
“He arrived at the hospital, the diagnosis was that he had an abscess in the brain and he was operated on that day, thus saving his life because if it had exploded, he would have died.”

Sinwar was appointed leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip in 2017. Born in the Khan Younis refugee camp in southern Gaza in 1962, to a family displaced during the Arab-Israeli war, he joined Hamas in the late 1980s. In 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences in Israel for the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers.

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After being freed in 2011 as part of a prisoner swap, he returned to Gaza where he began his rise in the militant organization, becoming notorious for the violent treatment he would dole out on suspected collaborators.

Israel has publicly accused Sinwar of being the “mastermind” behind Hamas’ terror attack against Israel on October 7 – though experts say he is likely one of several – making him one of the key targets of its war in Gaza.

The attack was the deadliest assault in Israel’s history. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups killed more than 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and also took some 250 people hostage into Gaza.

Following his recovery, Sinwar told Bitton that he owed him his life – a sentiment he repeated when he was released in the 2011 prisoner swap, which saw Sinwar and more than 1,000 other Palestinians freed for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.

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“He also told me that on the day he was released in [Gilad] Shalit’s deal in 2011, that he owed me his life, and one day he will repay it.”

But years later that connection meant nothing.

“And as you understand, he made up for it on October 7 in that he was also directly responsible for the murder of my nephew in Kibbutz Nir Oz,” said Bitton.

Nir Oz was one of several kibbutzim that bore the brunt of Hamas’ attack on October 7, with many residents murdered or taken hostage.

Bitton said his nephew, Tamir, was “seriously injured” trying to fight off the attackers.

“There were only five of them, they didn’t really stand a chance, and he was kidnapped while he was still seriously injured, unconscious, and died after a few hours in Gaza.”

A close connection​

Bitton – who later joined Israeli intelligence – came to know Sinwar well during his time in prison, spending “hundreds of hours” talking to him.


Sinwar, Bitton says, believes Jewish people have “no place” on “Muslim lands.”

Bitton therefore saw it as “only a matter of time and timing that they [Hamas] will act against us and try to expel us from the place where we live.”

Despite eight months of Israeli fighting in Gaza, which has killed more than 37,000 Palestinians, Sinwar remains at large, and thought to be sheltering somewhere in the territory.


The remains of Bitton's nephew's home in Nir Oz, after it was targeted by Hamas militants. - Yuval Bitton

The remains of Bitton's nephew's home in Nir Oz, after it was targeted by Hamas militants. - Yuval Bitton© Provided by CNN
Asked for his assessment of Sinwar’s mindset, Bitton says the Hamas leader is mainly concerned with staying in power.

He believes Sinwar would be “willing to sacrifice even 100,000 Palestinians in order to ensure the survival of his rule.”

“He is willing to pay with the lives of militants, Hamas members, civilians. He doesn’t care.”


With this in mind, Bitton believes that Israel made a mistake by not creating an alternative to Hamas’s rule, which could have undermined Sinwar’s power.

Bitton says that Sinwar still “feels he is in a powerful position.”

“He is running the negotiations while still operating from within Gaza, and still controls the areas from which the IDF evacuates, he also controls the humanitarian aid, and therefore he feels strong and won’t sign an agreement to release the hostages unless the IDF withdraws from Gaza and the fighting ends.”

Sinwar spent his more than two decades in prison studying his enemy, including learning Hebrew.

It is a lesson Israel should have taken too, says Bitton, who believes the government and intelligence service “did not know and learn Hamas well enough.”

“Our attitude towards Hamas was arrogant. We dismissed Hamas. And Hamas said everything it intended to do, but we didn’t want to listen.”

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