PHASA Captive Bred Lion Hunting

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  1. SafariA

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    I have forwarded to them for clarification .
     

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    Hans de Klerk(de Klerk Safaris), is a sponsor on this site, he may be the best one to answer to these questions as this took place on his farm and he is a member of SAPA and one of the few(5%) selected/approved ranches for CBL hunting.

    If this hunt was deemed to be legal by SAPA then you can draw your own conclusions.

    If this is still the way the hunts are conducted and are deemed legal by SAPA, then it just proves that nothing has changed.

    My guess is you will get no reply from the rancher.

    SAPA in any event is just a private organization looking after the interest of lion breeders(5% of them), nothing more and nothing less.
     

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    Thanks.
     

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    That is a big "IF"
    They are saying that things have changed since this video was created. Fair enough.
    I'd just like to know how.
     
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  5. IvW

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    Me too.
     

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    I haven't read all the replies, so please forgive me if already asked, but what are the ACTUAL regulations for hunting CBL? I'm not talking the standards adopted by SAPA or PHASA. I'm talking what the GOVERNMENT has put into law. Are the standards adopted by SAPA and PHASA an enhancement to government regulations already in place? As has already been mentioned, I see the standards adopted as nothing more than guidelines/rules that you must follow if you are a member of PHASA or SAPA.
     

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    Pretty lion. Nice when there has been so little opportunity to cause any wear and tear to the mane. Think he had a name?
     
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  8. Abeln

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    Does SAPA keep a good record of pedigree as does AKC and UKC?

    If so I'd imagine all the cats have fancy names.
     

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    How is this industry regulated?
    The trophy hunting industry is currently regulated through provincial conservation legislation.
    Screen Shot 2017-12-07 at 9.31.33 AM.png
    https://www.phasa.co.za/legislation/provincial-nat-conservation/ordinances.html

    In terms of the Threatened or Protected Species (TOPS) Regulations, 2007, which have been
    promulgated in terms of the National Environmental Management: Biodiversity Act, 2004 (Act No. 10 of
    2004) (NEMBA), the hunting of lion in the following circumstances is prohibited, which means that a permit may not be issued:
    •by means of poison, traps, snares, flood-or spot lights or darting;
    •with an automatic weapon, a weapon discharging a rim firing cartridge of .22 of an inch or smaller, a shotgun or an air gun;
    •by luring it by means of bait, smell, sound or any other luring method;
    •if the lion is under the influence of a tranquilizing, narcotic, immobilizing or similar agent;
    •if the lion is trapped against a fence or in a small enclosure where the lion does not have a fair chance to evade the hunter
    •from a motorised vehicle, except for the tracking of the lion if the hunt takes place over long ranges, for allowing a physically disabled person to hunt;
    •from an aircraft, except for the tracking of the lion if the hunt takes place over long ranges; or
    •by means of dogs, except if the dogs are used to track a wounded lion, or for the purpose of pointing, flushing and retrieving a lion.


    Any person who hunts a lion in any of the above prohibited manners would be guilty of an offence.
    There is an obligation on every permit holder to comply with the conditions to which the permit has been issued. Provincial conservation officials have the mandate to do inspections to ascertain that permit holders comply with their permits and permit conditions. Further, the Department of Environmental Affairs (DEA)has a hot line number (080020 5005), for members of the public to report incidences of non-compliance.


    National Environmental Management: Biodiversity Act, 2004
    Threatened or Protected Species (TOPS) Regulations, 2007
    Animals Protection Act, 1962



    https://www.environment.gov.za/sites/default/files/docs/lionmanagementinSA_questions_answers2015.pdf
     

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    TOPS REGS DOCUMENT SUMMARY
     

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    Some old news

    M Mayisela on lion hunting regulations

    21 Feb 2007
    North West predator game farmers not happy with the new
    regulation for lion hunting
    20 February 2007

    Mafikeng-North West MEC for Agriculture, Conservation and Environment
    Mandlenkosi Mayisela held a meeting with lion farmers from across the province
    this afternoon over the newly published national regulations on threatened and
    protected species promulgated by the national Minister for Environmental
    Affairs and Tourism, Marthinus van Schalkwyk.

    The new national regulations, to take effect on 1 June 2007, require that a
    lion be free to roam for 24 months on a farm before it can be hunted.
    In
    contrast, the regulations of the North West province currently require the
    animal to be free roaming for only 96 hours.
    "It is the feeling of my lion
    farming stakeholders that the extended time frame required by the new national
    regulations will almost certainly kill their industry. I have some sympathy
    with their perspective on the matter and hope to engage the national Minister
    rigorously on this matter," said Mayisela.

    The North West province places great socio-economic value on professional
    lion hunting. The province dominates the large predator hunting industry and
    accounts for 80% of the lions hunted in South Africa every year
    . In 2006, a
    total of 423 lions were hunted in the province. Large predator hunting is also
    a significant revenue earner. In the period October 2004 to September 2005
    professional lion hunting brought in 6 million US dollars (+R42 m) in hunting
    fees for the province.


    The province has a population of 1 700 lions in captivity, worth an
    estimated 85 million rand, with over 900 employees and infrastructure and land
    investments of over 700 million rands. Communities such as Ganyesa in the
    Bophirima district make significant living by supplying donkeys to the lion
    farmers.


    Expressing the general views of the lion farmers, Carel van Heerden,
    chairperson of the South African Predator Breeders Association, said the new
    regulations will most certainly shut down the industry
    . He said the farmers are
    all shocked at the stiffness of the regulations as they stand. He explained
    that it is an expensive exercise to keep a single lion, and having to wait for
    24 months before a hunt can take place, will make predator breeding for hunting
    purpose unviable,
    resulting in massive loss of jobs and income for farmers and
    workers alike.

    MEC Mayisela believes the industry is already well managed in his province.
    To keep lions, predator game farmers are required to obtain permits, have
    electrified perimeter fencing of hunting and lion keeping areas, have large,
    well-fenced enclosures and large tracks of land for the roaming of animals.
    They also have to obtain permits to hunt animals and transport the animals.

    "Our attitude as a province and as the industry is not to prevent the
    national Minister from regulating, but what we hope for is to have an
    opportunity to engage the Minister on the inevitable impact of these
    regulations on the industry should they remain as they are," said MEC
    Mayisela.

    Enquiries:
    Ms Lesego Mncwango
    Tel: (018) 389 5768/5346
    Cell: 082 220 6367
    E-mail: Lmncwango@nwpg.gov.za

    Issued by: Department of Agriculture, Conversation and Environment, North
    West Provincial Government
    20 February 2007
     

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    The law of the land and the legal actions taken to change regulations.


    SA PREDATOR BREEDERS ASSOCIATION 1st Appellant


    [6] After the application was launched the Minister published various amendments to the Regulations. For purposes of the application (and, likewise, the appeal) GN R.69 of 28 January 2008 is of importance.
    In addition to introducing the so-called ‘fair chase principle’ and substituting the definition of ‘put and take animal’
    , 2 the lion was removed from the definition of ‘listed large predator’.




    http://www.justice.gov.za/sca/judgments/sca_2010/sca10-151.pdf
     

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    OLD NEWS
    A totally different angle.

    LIONS IN CAPTIVITY AND LION HUNTING IN SOUTH AFRICA –AN UPDATE
    31 March 2009
    A REPORT COMMISSIONED BY THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF SPCAs (SOUTH AFRICA)

    1. Background.
    Over the past decade South Africa has become one of the worlds’ top destinations for
    hunters who pay large amounts of money to shoot lions, (Panthera leo ), most which have
    been raised in captivity. Very few free ranging lions are hunted in South Africa.
    The practice of hunting animals that have been raised in captivity has been strongly
    condemned, both locally and internationally, by a diverse cross-section of society ranging
    from animal welfare and animal rights supporters to conservation organizations and
    professional and amateur hunting associations.
    The hunting of lions raised in captivity in South Africa, widely referred to as “canned
    hunting,” first attracted international attention after the 1997 broadcast of the so called
    “Cook report,” a British television report which showed shocking footage of lions being
    shot near the Kruger National Park.
    The South African government has regularly stated that the practice must be stopped and
    the Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism Marthinus van Schalkwyk last year
    introduced regulations intended, in part, to regulate the hunting of captive raised
    predators. Lions were removed from the list of “large predators” after the South African
    Predator Breeders Association (SAPA) announced its intention to challenge the
    regulations in court. SAPA said the regulations would bring about the collapse of the
    industry.
    The High Court in Bloemfontein is still to hand down judgment, a judgment which will
    have far reaching implications for the welfare of lions in South Africa (31 March 2009).
    This report, commissioned by the NSPCA, is intended to provide an update on the
    number of lions in captivity, the number of lions hunted, and to draw attention to some of
    the more important issues concerning the industry which has grown considerably since the 1990s


    https://nspca.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lions_in_captivity_hunting_sa.pdf
     

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    Smoke and cover. What in the world does that proclamation of intent regarding methods of "hunting" have to do with raising lions in captivity to be shot in captivity!! I will say it again- in the end, the majority of the population will view and judge and regulate politically what is acceptable and what is not about recreational "hunting" as we define it. Right now I would bet that the majority of people (recreational hunters are a very small minority of the population) view illegal subsistence hunting (killing) as more palatable and acceptable than legal canned hunting (killing) of lions. Last I'll say on the subject and wouldn't have even entered the discussion except for the fact that all hunters will be judged as one whether or not all agree or participate in something they view as unacceptable- such as canned, pen-raised lion hunting.
     
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    Dogpile is also a search engine. but...... this sure looks like one.


    SAFARI OPERATORS ASSOCIATION OF ZIMBABWE
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    ZIMBABWE PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS AND GUIDES ASSOCIATION
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    FYI

    “Custodians of Professional Hunting and Conservation South Africa”

    Concerned professional hunters who rejected the hunting of Captive Bred predators and the recent constitution adopted by PHASA, met today 6 December 2017 in Johannesburg and founded a new professional hunting association to be known as

    “Custodians of Professional Hunting and Conservation South Africa”

    Our mission statement :

    1.

    To promote ethical and responsible professional hunting


    2.

    To demonstrate and enhance conservation and ecologically sustainable development through the responsible use of natural resources in order to ensure that South Africa’s biodiversity and conservation heritage is protected for the benefit of present and future generations


    3.

    To enhance and promote professional hunting’s contribution to the livelihoods and socio-economic development of all South Africans.


    A new constitution was agreed upon and will be released shortly. Membership applications and relevant details will be made public in due course.

    A committee was duly elected:

    Chairman Stewart Dorrington, Johan van den Berg, Paul Stones, Hans Vermaak, Matthew Greeff, Howard Knott, Mark de Wet, Hermann Meyeridricks


    The launch of ‘Custodians of Professional Hunting and Conservation South Africa’ (CPHCSA) breathes new life into professional hunting and conservation in South Africa.
     
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    Will be interesting to see if the "Custodians of Professional Hunting and Conservation South Africa" constitution uses the word "ethical" instead of "legal". Why? they will run into the same problem PHASA had when trying to terminate someone's membership.

    I suspect "lion hunting" is not the real issue here.
     

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    Interesting. Another one joining the dog pile.


    https://www.africahunting.com/threads/conservation-force-end-of-the-year-report-2017.41260/
     

  20. SafariA

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    There are no moratorium or ban on permits issued for Captive Bred Lions.

    They cannot currently be imported to the USA . They can however be imported to to other countries except those that banned imports.
     

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