Pellet gun loads for 450-400 3 inch?

[Rell]

I have some of those, mostly useless, shot shells for my 44 Mag revolver ….

Anyone ever load up brass rifle case with a pellet lode? To shoot blue duiker and stuff?

I might be able to get .41 plastic shells that they use for the 41 mag?

 

[BourbonTrail]

That would be a helluva snake load

 

[R.M.C.]

Something with that much shot might actually be useful!!!

 

[Forrest Halley]

You will find that if it engages the rifling at all your pattern will be thin and vast very quickly out of the muzzle. I once shot a high brass #6 out of a 12 ga. rifled slug gun. At ten yards the pattern was something like 12 feet in diameter and sparse.

 

[ActionBob]

I have a new to me gun that sort is supposed to be able to do that in reverse. I just haven't had time to play with it yet. A12 bore Paradox. Only the last 3 to 4 inches of the barrels are rifled. And that is sort of slanted so it should not engage shot. However it is supposed to put enough spin on a 730 grain lead bullet to stabilize it enough to be accurate to 100 yards. Not going to shoot an elephant like one would be able to with a 450/400NE. But I'm going to be dearly tempted to shoot a buffalo with it one day

 

[Red Leg]

I have a new to me gun that sort is supposed to be able to do that in reverse. I just haven't had time to play with it yet. A12 bore Paradox. Only the last 3 to 4 inches of the barrels are rifled. And that is sort of slanted so it should not engage shot. However it is supposed to put enough spin on a 730 grain lead bullet to stabilize it enough to be accurate to 100 yards. Not going to shoot an elephant like one would be able to with a 450/400NE. But I'm going to be dearly tempted to shoot a buffalo with it one day

Got one as well. Mine is a William Evans - who built yours?

Thanks to Ross Seyfried, his loads shoot four 740 gr bullets into sub three-inches at 100 yards (LxR/LxR). Tony Makris (Under Wild Skies) has taken several buffalo with his Paradox guns and Ross's loads. The H&H factory load does the same thing at 60 yards or so.

Haven't tried a duiker loading (No. 4 shot?), but it shoots lovely light mod patterns with 1 1/8 ounce no. 6 and smaller loads. As I have mentioned elsewhere here, at a waterhole in Namibia it rolled two warthog for leopard bait and created a mound of sand grouse in the last two hours before dusk. Incredible century + old technology.

By the way, you can order a brand new one from Holland & Holland for a base price of only 130,000 pounds sterling (that is 177,710 USD). Did I mention I love my 110 year old Evans.

The Paradox Gun - Holland & Holland

hollandandholland.com

 

[ActionBob]

Got one as well. Mine is a William Evans - who built yours?

Thanks to Ross Seyfried, his loads shoot four 740 gr bullets into sub three-inches at 100 yards (LxR/LxR). Tony Makris (Under Wild Skies) has taken several buffalo with his Paradox guns and Ross's loads. The H&H factory load does the same thing at 60 yards or so.

Haven't tried a duiker loading (No. 4 shot?), but it shoots lovely light mod patterns with 1 1/8 ounce no. 6 and smaller loads. As I have mentioned elsewhere here, at a waterhole in Namibia it rolled two warthog for leopard bait and created a mound of sand grouse in the last two hours before dusk. Incredible century + old technology.

By the way, you can order a brand new one from Holland & Holland for a base price of only 130,000 pounds sterling (that is 177,710 USD). Did I mention I love my 110 year old Evans.

Joe mine is a Holland & Holland Royal made in 1900. It was re proofed in London in 2004 to 850 bar with 3" chambers. And re-stocked by Reto Buehler. 7 groove 3" ratchet rifling Paradox choked.

 

[Red Leg]

Joe mine is a Holland & Holland Royal made in 1900. It was re proofed in London on 2004 to 850 bar with 3" chambers. And re-stocked by Reto Buehler. 7 grooce 3" ratchet rifling Paradox choked.

Dude. That is a magnificent thing. And 3" chambers as well. You will likely have to special load it to get it to regulate, but I would certainly try the H&H factory loads. What an incredible find.

 

[ActionBob]

Dude. That is a magnificent thing. And 3" chambers as well. You will likely have to special load it to get it to regulate, but I would certainly try the H&H factory loads. What an incredible find.

I have some 2 3/4" loads that look promising

May not be buffalo loads but might try to shoot a deer or hog

 

[Red Leg]

Excellent! I am shooting essentially the same load with the same construction (ring crimp) but a 740 gr bullet. It is absolutely lethal on pigs on any continent.

I really would like to see a picture of the gun.

 

[ActionBob]

 

[Red Leg]

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I am bitterly jealous. Bitterly.

 

[ActionBob]

I am bitterly jealous. Bitterly.

Come on Joe, it's just special to belong to the small group that ones one at all

 

[Red Leg]

Come on Joe, it's just special to belong to the small group that ones one at all

They are special unique treasures.

 

[xausa]

I wonder if anyone has ever patterned a shot load shot through a rifled barrel using plastic shot cups. so that the shot never comes into contact with the rifling. Back in 1971, soon after I had taken delivery of my Krieghoff Teck three barrel set (.458 WM, .375 H&H and 20 gauge 3" magnum), I used to take it to the skeet range and shoot skeet with the 20 gauge barrels. Occasionally, I would use the .458 barrels with .410 shot shells and plastic shot cups. The shot cups were primarily to prevent leading the bore, but since I was able to hit targets with the shells, I wonder what effect they had on the pattern. (Shooting skeet international style with a scoped rifle is a hoot, but it certainly has a positive effect on one's target acquisition skills. The scope in question is a 2 1/2X Lyman All American with a post and crosshair reticle.) (The .410 fired shells had to be discarded as un-useable.)

 

[Forrest Halley]

I wonder if anyone has ever patterned a shot load shot through a rifled barrel using plastic shot cups. so that the shot never comes into contact with the rifling. Back in 1971, soon after I had taken delivery of my Krieghoff Teck three barrel set (.458 WM, .375 H&H and 20 gauge 3" magnum), I used to take it to the skeet range and shoot skeet with the 20 gauge barrels. Occasionally, I would use the .458 barrels with .410 shot shells and plastic shot cups. The shot cups were primarily to prevent leading the bore, but since I was able to hit targets with the shells, I wonder what effect they had on the pattern. (Shooting skeet international style with a scoped rifle is a hoot, but it certainly has a positive effect on one's target acquisition skills. The scope in question is a 2 1/2X Lyman All American with a post and crosshair reticle.) (The .410 fired shells had to be discarded as un-useable.)

I have fired shot in shot cups through a twelve gauge slug gun that was fully rifled. The pattern was explosive in the spread. My vision was to change to a shot shell if a turkey appeared while deer hunting. The vision evaporated when a piece of plywood at ten yards didn't look all that affected after three shots. Ymmv.

 

[Red Leg]

I wonder if anyone has ever patterned a shot load shot through a rifled barrel using plastic shot cups. so that the shot never comes into contact with the rifling. Back in 1971, soon after I had taken delivery of my Krieghoff Teck three barrel set (.458 WM, .375 H&H and 20 gauge 3" magnum), I used to take it to the skeet range and shoot skeet with the 20 gauge barrels. Occasionally, I would use the .458 barrels with .410 shot shells and plastic shot cups. The shot cups were primarily to prevent leading the bore, but since I was able to hit targets with the shells, I wonder what effect they had on the pattern. (Shooting skeet international style with a scoped rifle is a hoot, but it certainly has a positive effect on one's target acquisition skills. The scope in question is a 2 1/2X Lyman All American with a post and crosshair reticle.) (The .410 fired shells had to be discarded as un-useable.)

You shot international skeet with .410 shells in scoped .458 barrels? I would like to see that. I would have to believe the shot cup almost certainly would accentuate the spin imparted to the shot. I don't believe you would have a "pattern" at twenty feet much less 20 yards. I shoot the occasional rattler around the place with a S&W 6" 686 and shot loads. The muzzle has to be very nearly in striking range of the snake to do any damage. The .38 carries 2/10's of an ounce of shot. Standard .410 skeet load is 1/2 ounce. That extra 3/10 of an ounce isn't going to make much difference.